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New WiFi router or Mesh network

Discussion in 'BYTE ME: Technology discussion' started by ShaneTrot, May 3, 2017.

  1. ShaneTrot

    ShaneTrot Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I have an old Apple Airport Extreme base station that has served me well but it's about 8 years old and it tops out at 802.11n. I have a three story house ~2300 square feet and I have the Airport in the basement. I keep it down there because the kids have an Xbox one and PS4 in the basement. I speed tested around the house and I was getting around 10 Mbps (~1.26 MB/s) in most rooms except the kitchen and the master bedroom where I get half that. My service is TWC 300 Mbps. We are the typical digital family. 2 laptops, 5 iPhones, 2 iPads, Apple TV etc. I am intrigued by the thought but not the expense of a mesh network. But because I mostly get the same wifi signal around the house, I am wondering is I just purchased a modern dual band wifi router would I be OK. One issue I have is two of my kids have iPhone 7s and strangely these fall off the wifi every once and awhile.
     
  2. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Google Wifi Mesh Network would be ideal for your needs. 300 bucks, easy set up, pretty good speeds. And you are guaranteed to cover all three stories of your house.
     
  3. NortheasternPJ

    NortheasternPJ Member SoSH Member

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    I know multiple people with Eero as well and they love it:

    https://eero.com
     
  4. saintnick912

    saintnick912 GINO! Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I've had good luck with Eero myself. We typically have 10-15 devices attached at any given time, and I've never noticed any degradation. I've got a strange shaped space as well with multiple levels and thick walls that cut off a couple of rooms, and it covers the whole house well enough to stream Netflix.

    The Google WiFi is pretty comparable from what I've heard, and at a lower price, it wasn't out yet when I bought my Eero set.

    Overall I'd say expensive but a major quality of life improvement vs the mishmash of repeaters and/or powerline units that I'd used before to try to work around it.
     
  5. uncannymanny

    uncannymanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    We share a single router with the other 2 floors in a 3 family. We're the most "connected" and the landlord just upgraded the Fios to gigabit which has helped some of the issues we were having.

    Google Wifi looks pretty interesting. Would I need to connect anything directly to the router or could I just set them up wirelessly? I can't gather that from their website.
     
  6. saintnick912

    saintnick912 GINO! Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I can't speak to the Google unit, but for Eero you would hook one up to the Fios router in "bridge mode" and the others would connect off of that. You'd use the network that the Eeros provide rather than the Fios router one (which could be disabled).
     
  7. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    You can get a Ethernet switch and use that to connect wired devices. That is what I did and it helps, my desktop wired speed is 342Mbps and my wifi speed is about 140Mbps. But you can set all of them up wirelessly, but obviously you have to wire the modem to one of the mesh devices.

    I have heard the Eero is pretty good but I can personally attest to Google's reliability, speed, and ease of setup and customization. It's incredible.
     
  8. canderson

    canderson Fomenting voting confusion and angst since 2016 Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Buuump. I am soon(ish) going to need to replace my modem and figured I should finally replace my old AirPort Extreme. I have Xfinity Blast (Internet-only,) 250/10.

    My house is 3 stories, built similar to a row home but around 2000 sq feet. Modem is in first floor rear corner. With my current setup I have no issues using WiFi in on the third floor or on the 2nd in the opposite corner of where the modem is located, speeds and connection are strong.

    I live in a city, so there are many nearby networks.

    I’ll be using a Motorola MB8600 modem. My question is: should I go with eero or something like the Netgear Nighthawk R7800.

    I want simplicity. I don’t use any special features or have any advanced settings. Stability, security and speed are my most important features, cost no issue.

    What’s the better approach?

    Edit: I should add everything is connected via WiFi due to house wiring, I have no way to run wires and existing coax isn’t on Comcast’s network. I have multiple Nest cameras, an Echo, and your typical,iPhone/iPad/Fire Stick/etc for two adults.
     
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  9. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

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    Why? What's it lacking that you want from a replacement?
     
  10. canderson

    canderson Fomenting voting confusion and angst since 2016 Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I anticipate upgrading to gigabit service in a year or so. And they’re no longer supports for security, right?
     
  11. santadevil

    santadevil Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I do love my Google WiFi

    I use them in Bridge Mode though, as most of my house is wired with Cat5(e).
    So it allows my wireless devices to talk to my wired devices, like having YouTube stream to my TV from my phone, and me using Kodi to stream movies to my phone from my Synology NAS
     
  12. Rod Becks Mullet

    Rod Becks Mullet Member SoSH Member

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    So I need to improve the router situation in my house. It's approximately 2500 sq feet, 2 floors, router is on the first floor in the middle, but we get almost no service on the 2nd (had to add an extender to get even a weak signal).

    The current router is probably 7 years old, so not sure if a totally new router would be powerful enough to impove that or if I need to go to a mesh system.

    We are a Google family, both my wife and I have Pixels, but I'm reading that there is speed loss with the system. We both work from home during the week (and I need to do some big downloads on occasion). We also switched to YouTube TV, but I've hard wired my Roku.

    Thanks for the help;
     
  13. NortheasternPJ

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    The main issue is your router is probably a crippled piece of crap at this point. Nevermind the fact that it probably doesn't support G/N/AC which many modern devices use. Any router should be fine in the middle of a 1250 sq foot floor plan unless your house is made out of lead.

    If I were you I'd go with a Google Wifi or Eero with no beacons if cost is an issue, see how it works and then add a beacon if necessary. With either with one beacon you'll be more than covered.

    Our house is roughly 1,700 sq ft per floor with the router in the middle of the first. Even with a crappy router it was pretty good. The only reason I went to eero was for coverage in our backyard and in my kid's room. Directly between the router and her room is a fireplace and chimney that seems to be a barrier any type of signals.
     
  14. Joe Sixpack

    Joe Sixpack Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Agree with previous post.

    My house is similar in size except the router is in the basement and I still have plenty of signal strength on the 2nd floor. You shouldn't need any boosters or a mesh or whatever if you just get a halfway decent modern router.
     
  15. LondonSox

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    My house is around 3,500 square feet, three floors but build on a steep hill so the floors barely overlap, if you can picture. So the house is more spread than a normal three story.

    We also have connected patios and balconies.

    I have att and not great connection speed as I'm RURAL. Good for network noise, bad for high speed connection.

    I have no idea what solution will come out soon, but for now I'm stuck on shitty lines, but the router sucks.
    It is bad at handling two bands, and enough devices nukes it. It also can't handle streaming steam games from my PC (which is WiFi connected).

    My TV and consoles are connected hard wired.

    I need something that can handle a decent spread of distance and ideally allow me to stream my xbox to my surface without being next to each other and also stream steam from PC to surface. I need 2g for a weather station but everything else is pretty new.

    I am prepared to pay up if something is worth it. Few hundred bucks not silly silly unless there's something that helps my high speed connection generally that I'm unaware of in which case cost be damned (they quoted me 30k to run cable to my house lol)
     
  16. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I have suggested it before in the thread and I'll suggest it again. The Google mesh network, with three pods, is incredible. It can cover your house, inside and out. And you can buy a router switch and hard wire as many devices as you want, if they are close to one of the pods.
     
  17. LondonSox

    LondonSox Robert the Deuce SoSH Member

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    Oh so I could put one pod near my PC for example and hard wire the PC to that pod and increase the speed that way? Huh ok.
     
  18. saintnick912

    saintnick912 GINO! Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I do something similar with an Eero system. I have my gateway node behind my TV since that's where my cable comes in, with a small wired switch off of that. Then I have a node in my home office with another small switch for my PC and home NAS (so they can communicate at gigabit). Then a node in my bedroom (outside a thick wall) and a node below the master in my basement that covers that whole level. It has worked perfectly though I'm considering how I could cover my yard better.
     
  19. cgori

    cgori Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    @LondonSox, I would look into a mesh setup (Google mesh, Eero, etc) - the "gold standard" in blanket home wifi coverage (not mesh, actually - needs wires run to each point you install) is Ubiquiti: https://store.ubnt.com/ - but you'll almost certainly want a guy to install that for you, as it is more oriented to a network-wonk than the others, needs a management console app installed, etc.

    An eero (or google mesh) is simple/easy to setup.

    Here's a good summary of your mesh options: https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-mesh-networking-kits/
     
  20. The Napkin

    The Napkin wise ass al kaprielian Dope SoSH Member

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    Are there plusses/minuses to have a modem/router vs having a modem and router? I like the idea of one box instead of 2.

    How's the Nighthawk AC2300 for a dual?
     
  21. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

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    I should have come to this thread before this weekend. Our router gave out this weekend, and so I was stuck going to the store without doing much research for a house full of people who wanted their internet. I went with a $200 Orbi system and actually it ends up working great and we're getting good coverage. The google was only $70 more, though, and given the reviews here about it I probably would have done that if I'd been up to speed.
     

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