NCAA Tournament Friday Game Thread

Deathofthebambino

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Exactly, and those teams had to fly to Dayton to play their play in game. In the case of Dayton, their fans didn't even have to go anywhere for the play in game.  To not make them have to travel once is insanely myopic on the part of the committee.
 

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shawnrbu said:
Ole Miss went from Mississippi to Dayton to Jacksonville.
Hampton went from Virginia to Dayton to Louisville.
Robert Morris went from Chicago to Dayton to Charlotte. 
 
 
Dayton went from Dayton to Dayton to Columbus
 
FTFY
 

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The level of whining about reffing and locations in this thread definitely has me rooting for Dayton (who I previously couldn't have given a crap about) at least until the Final Four.
 

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SumnerH said:
The level of whining about reffing and locations in this thread definitely has me rooting for Dayton (who I previously couldn't have given a crap about) at least until the Final Four.
Hey I'm a fan of the Friars and a fan of the Friar fans posting in this thread but their comments tonight are sour grapes imo. I'm pissed too but only one team on that floor tonight deserved to win an NCAA tournament game. I don't know how any rational basketball fan can argue this.

Dayton defend their asses off for 40 minutes and thoroughly outplayed us.  Fuck that home game bs, the Flyers drove over an hour to the venue two nights ago, slept in hotels like everyone else, played their 5th game in 8 days, and were playing their first game of the season in this arena just as we did.  They defended better than we did contesting virtually every shot while we didn't.

Btw, Tyler Harris should be forced to walk home after going through the motions of closing out on b2b 3's with 9 minutes to go they turned the momentum around.  After the TO I told my brother that we just witnessed Tyler's final appearance in a Friar uniform.......he was benched, never returned, and isn't planning on returning for his final season of eligibility.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
Hey I'm a fan of the Friars and a fan of the Friar fans posting in this thread but their comments tonight are sour grapes imo. I'm pissed too but only one team on that floor tonight deserved to win an NCAA tournament game. I don't know how any rational basketball fan can argue this.

Dayton defend their asses off for 40 minutes and thoroughly outplayed us.  Fuck that home game bs, the Flyers drove over an hour to the venue two nights ago, slept in hotels like everyone else, played their 5th game in 8 days, and were playing their first game of the season in this arena just as we did.  They defended better than we did contesting virtually every shot while we didn't.

Btw, Tyler Harris should be forced to walk home after going through the motions of closing out on b2b 3's with 9 minutes to go they turned the momentum around.  After the TO I told my brother that we just witnessed Tyler's final appearance in a Friar uniform.......he was benched, never returned, and isn't planning on returning for his final season of eligibility.
Both things can be true. PC got outplayed but Dayton did have an advantage they shouldn't have. The recap is full of quotes from Dayton about how it was like a home game. Ignoring this may be noble but doesn't make it less true. PC (and Boise and Oklahoma) got a raw deal.

And even then, it was a 3 point game with 6 minutes left, then Dayton hit a couple of threes and that was it. This wasn't a blowout, and we'll never know for sure, but it might have been different if the game was in Seattle.
 

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I love PC fans whining about how they got a raw deal. You know who got a raw deal? Dayton, by being disrespected by the committee and being given a crap seed. If they weren't so underrated by the committee they wouldn't have had to play an extra game and they wouldn't have to hear that their wins happened because they were at home.
 

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Yea to be entirely fair, if PC fans want to complain about the committee. They should be complaining about the fact that the morons put Dayton in as the last team. No one in their right minds thought Dayton would miss the tourney if Uconn had won their tourney and made it in, but they would have. The committee year in and year out are a bunch of morons.

Also, I am a BC/Umass fan, so no ties to either of these teams.
 

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No, it's contracted there.
Dayton has a contract with the NCAA to host the First Four and before that the single Play-in game. They've had it since 2001.
 
Edit- amusingly this is the last year on the deal because the NCAA wants to cycle it. (ie they want more $$$ by having it bid for year by year)
The "First Four" renewed the contract with Dayton thru 2018.
 

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The idea that PC got a raw deal is picking up a little traction.  
 
 
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/03/21/dayton-providence-ncaa-tournament-upset-dyshawn-pierre
 
http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/25116724/dayton-only-seed-upset-of-friday-providence-not-given-any-favors-by-ncaa?v=1&vc=6
 
And I don't get the notion that because PC did not play perfectly (and to be sure, they did not), this renders the issue moot.  What if they simply let Dayton start with a 3-0 lead?  Would people still say "yes, but teams come back from down 3 points all the time, PC turned the ball over, and played sloppy D for a few possessions, so man up"?  
 
The play in game, unfair as that was to Boise, was set in stone and unchangeable (though I still would argue for some more foresight on the part of the NCAA, as Dayton is just the type of team that ends up in the play-in game).  But they could have played anywhere from that point.  If they win tomorrow, Oklahoma has a legit beef.  I kind of hope that's what happens, just to bring a little more attention to this.
 

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Moondog is right.  Both things (or in this case, three things, the home court, the refs and PC playing like shit) can be true.  There isn't a Friar fan here that would argue that PC didn't play like shit, but to not even acknowledge that the calls were one sided through the first 20 minutes of the game is to have your eyes closed.  Dayton was simply no more aggressive on the offensive end than PC, the difference was that every ticky tack foul or contact that PC made was called, and it wasn't called the other way.  Most of the fouls called against PC during the first half weren't of the "Dayton being aggressive and taking the ball to the hoop" variety.  Starting with the bullshit flagrant 1 called against Dunn a minute into the game (and if anyone doesn't think that had a huge effect on the game and Dunn going forward is not arguing from an intellectually honest place), the refs were not making the same calls against both teams.  The way both teams played that first half (aggressively on defense, fairly passively on offense), neither team should have had a 14-1 free throw advantage at halftime, and yet, Dayton did.
 
I'm already on record as saying I don't think the crowd had much to do with the result yesterday.  Whether or not Dayton being given the chance to rest up that they wouldn't have otherwise had if they were forced to travel after their play-in game is something none of us will ever know.  If the play-in game is set in stone and can't be moved, so be it, sucks for Boise I guess, but it should have never happened that the committee would follow that up with a game in Columbus, and now two of them.  I also agree that Dayton being the final team in the field is a joke.  They are better than at least a handful of at large teams, if not more.  I also hope they beat Oklahoma in a close game, with the crowd going bonkers, so the light will shine bright on the situation and the committee.  I think they can beat the Sooners too, but would get buried by just about anyone after that, so I'm looking forward to it.
 
As for PC, they played like garbage offensively.  Defensively, they pretty much played step for step with Dayton, with the exception of a few lapses on rotation that led to open three's.  Dayton only scored 44 points from the field (to PC's 50) and PC forced 12 turnovers.  The other side of the ball was a completely different story.  Dayton's defense played well, but PC literally not could not hit anything.  Henton was absolutely atrocious.  Between him and Dunn, they took 39 of PC's 59 shots, and they only made 11 of them, and more than a couple were WIDE open looks.  2 starters (Desrosiers and Bentil) combined for 5 shots from the field and 5 points.  When Dunn went out with the flagrant and they needed guys like Cartwright to step up, I think they turned the ball over 5 or 6 consecutive times, and not because Dayton was necessarily playing good defense, but rather it looked like the PC players forgot what color jerseys their teammates were wearing.  It was as bad an offensive basketball game I've ever seen, and having watched PC for over 20 years pretty religiously, that's saying a lot.
 
Bottom line, all of those things added up to a loss last night.  If I was ranking them in order, I would put PC's inability to hit any shot, set anything up or get anything done on offense as reason 1 why they lost, I'd put the refs at 2 and the home court/rest/no travel issue somewhere much lower, but again, there is no way of knowing how much that played into it.  What I do know is that Dayton should not have been playing PC in Columbus last night, for a ton of reasons, not the least of which that they simply were better than where the committee seeded them.  
 

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Dunn didn't go out with a flagrant though. It was clearly a foul which was his first personal. His 2nd foul was when he reached in and took the penetrators arm off which is what sent him to the bench. The flagrant cost us a point but otherwise had zero impact on the game.....Dunn's second foul on the reach in was the turning point. That had nothing to do with the officials and everything to do with Dayton being the aggressor as they were the entire first half.

Ugh it's over it's dunn but the flagrant call didn't play a factor.