Deathofthebambino said:
Yet again demonstrating why pre-season rankings are so absurd. First rankings should come out in November.
NCAA College Football: Week 5 Discussion
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Yet again demonstrating why pre-season rankings are so absurd. First rankings should come out in November.
I agree the ratings are a joke. Clemson was high because they beat Wofford and Appalachian state? And I am actually rooting for ND tonight.dcmissle said:
Miss-fla, bama-uga, tamu - miss st, nd-clem, okla - wvu all were games with high hopes that sucked.dcmissle said:
Unranked Indiana v #1 tOsU was the best.
I think it was the right call. Preserves the 1 score game and gives the D some room to work with. Short punt there and ASU makes it a 2 score game with little time left.wibi said:
Holy shit, I've never seen a longer "pile run" before in my life as the ASU touchdown to just ice the game against UCLA. Seemed like 25 yards.
BigSoxFan said:
I don't know if I agree with Brian Kelly not using a timeout after the 1st down run. If you use a timeout after 1st and 2nd down, and force a third and long, maybe Clemson throws the ball on 3rd down, and you get a free clock stoppage anyway. Clemson ends up running on 3rd and 6 anyway, but I'm not sure Kelly made the right call there on 1st down.
Wow. Well this turned into a game. The dropped 2pt earlier is sucks. Followed by a ? play call. The pass has been working.
Enough with the Clemsoning BS. Last few years...Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Georgia, LSU and Auburn.Warning Track Speed said:
Notre Dame got Brian Kelly'd
No one at this very early stage, which is my point. These college rankings, if anthing, seem far less reliable than NFL rankings but are given far more importance. If we are judging actual performance through the first month, it's not too hard to come up with a handful of teams whose seasons have been more impressive than Ohio State's.Deathofthebambino said:
dcmissle said:
Ok, who?
I don't particularly care about the rankings at this stage either, but it's something that's been going on in college football since, well, forever, and I'm not going to beat my head against the wall complaining about something that's not going to change. I have no idea what you mean about them being given importance at this stage. They literally have no importance at all. The schedule is already set, the playoff voting doesn't take place for a couple of months and they literally have no effect on anything that happens on the field. The ranking system is nothing more than entertainment, and something that breeds discussion and creates interest. I have no idea why anyone would get upset about them.
And as something that breeds discussion, I'm asking, who do you think has been more impressive to this point than Ohio State? Nearly every single team has either had a loss, or played like crap on one or two occasions, so I'm genuinely asking who you think deserves the No. 1, over the undefeated defending champion, to this point in the season?
Deathofthebambino said:
Baylor hasn't played like crap. Nor really TCU or Oklahoma. Rankings don't bother me one way or another, but I'm pretty sure Ohio State is not the best team in college football, and expect them to lose at least two games despite a pretty easy schedule (I also think MSU is overrated, and they get the Spartans at home).
Considering the scheduling, I'll give you two. Alabama and Baylor.Deathofthebambino said:
Edit. And I didn't mean to invest the ranking with importance. I was responding in part to your post last night about the number of top 20 teams that fell or were falling. If you meant to suggest that the rankings at this stage are basically bogus, I agree with you.
WayBackVazquez said:
Funny, are you turning into a Big 12 guy, or is this just your Ohio State hatred (in fairness, I know you're a Michigan guy, so I have no issue with the bias, it's a birthright) coming through?
Baylor has probably played the "best" of any of the teams on macro level, but let's not get crazy. They've played four games against the sisters of the poor. Until they play and beat someone better than SMU, Lamar, Rice and Texas Tech, they don't deserve to jump over the defending champion until OSU loses. I don't think even you'd disagree with that. That said, I don't think a team that gives up 104 points to those teams played perfect football either. Baylor, as they usually do, has issues on defense, and will likely get exposed soon enough.
I love Oklahoma, but let's not get carried away there either. They played awful, putrid football for 3 quarters against Tennessee, and were lucky to pull out that game. They also gave up 24 points in the first half to Tulsa, and went into halftime with a 7 point lead. I think their win against West Virginia is certainly better than anything that Ohio State has won (although that Indiana team is better than most people will probably give them credit for), but the Sooners have most definitely had some pretty bad stretches of football.
TCU? TCU was exactly who I was thinking of when I said nearly every team had played like crap in some games this year. Their first win against Minnesota wasn't the cakewalk it should have been if you're talking about a top 5 team, and they gave up 52 to Texas Tech and won the game on one of the luckiest breaks in recent memory.
I think my point is on solid ground here. While Ohio State hasn't looked infallible, nobody really has. And as defending champion, when it comes to rankings, I think they more than deserve to be ranked No. 1 until someone knocks them off, or some other undefeated teams rattles off a couple of top tier victories. We just haven't reached that point in the season yet. That said, when you say OSU will lose 2 games this year, are you including the Big Ten title game and their bowl/playoff game, or are you saying just the regular season? If it's the latter, I just don't see it, unless it happens to be in the last two games of the year against MSU and Michigan. I think other teams might give them a game, but I don't see Maryland or Rutgers or anyone else on their schedule actually knocking them off until then. And if Urban pulls the trigger and hands the reigns back to Barrett, I think they'll be even better.
FTR, if I was picking teams based solely on how they've looked to this point in the season, I'd probably have Utah, Clemson and LSU in the top 5 in some order. IMO, they've looked as good, if not better, on a game by game basis as anyone, and have actually played better competition than OSU, Baylor, TCU, etc.
dcmissle said:
Alabama lost to Ole Miss, who just got pummeled by Florida. I don't care how bad Ohio State might have looked, I'm one of those guys that believes everything starts with wins and losses. If you lose a game, you better hope everyone else does too or you better get a whole bunch of signature wins before you can start talking about leapfrogging undefeated teams. If Alabama finishes the year with one loss, I'd have no problem putting them in the playoff over an undefeated team like Boise State or something, but I'll never put them ahead of OSU if OSU keeps winning.
I think your FTR is what we're talking about. I don't think they've shown this year thus far that they're the best team. Yes, OSU won the playoff last year, but they are a different team, as is every other team, as is every other team in CFB. Moreover, I don't think they were the best team last year, any more than the Giants were in their recent Super Bowl years. They were champions, because they won a playoff. isn't that enough?Deathofthebambino said:
As for my prediction, I think OSU will lose at least one of the games to UM or MSU. If they only lose one, unfortunately, they'll still probably make the playoffs, where they'll lose again.
The selection committee didn't give much weight to prior-year performance in its rankings last year. Despite being the undefeated champs, FSU was only ranked third; a single loss almost surely would have knocked them out of the top four.
canderson said:
We were at Gameday for the entire 3+ hours. The wet4watson was one of my favorites. That and the Spurrier is a cock, where they had him shopped onto a guy in a bathing suit. Our sign actually got tweeted out by the @collegegameday account and they put it up on their instagram, so we considered it a success. My next favorite was a girl in a nun costume with a sign that said "Irish chances of winning are slim to NUN", but she showed up with about an hour to go and couldn't work her way to the front. Not sure if she made it on TV.
For those interested in the future. Gameday sets up a pit that is in the front. You can't have signs with handles in there and you get frisked to get in. But once your in there was a ton of space to just hang. So the kids wiggled to the front with signs and me and some buddies just hung out near the back of the pit. Signs with handles were just on the general lawn behind the pit.
Here is the Gameday tweet of our sign. At one point a Gameday credentialed guy came down into the pit and had my son turn around so he could take a pic of the sign, I never saw that pic online, but they probably used this one once they got it. Desmond Howard would look out during breaks, he saw our sign and started laughing shaking his head. So that was pretty cool.
Fun day, long day, wet, but it was worth it.
https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/650321742628585472