And 538 nudges the Warriors chances' up to 18%.
Pretty sure they still have the Raptors at 20%.
Pretty sure they still have the Raptors at 20%.
NBA playoffs 2018
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I'd like to see the number of dribbles and/or time holding onto the ball for Harden vs the rest of the star players in the league. He's such a gifted offensive player, but he really dominates the ball.
Rockets supporting cast just can't hang with the Warriors. Harden, Paul, and Capela were 28-48 for 76 points. The rest of the team was 11-37 for 30 points. KD, Curry, and Thompson 31-60 for 83 points, with the rest of the team was 11-20 for 36 points.
5.86 dribbles per touch apparently. 6.34 seconds per touch. Both lead all qualifiers.
Edit- I had no idea this was actually tracked
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Harden was incredible, though. I wouldn't put too much stock in single-game net rating.
We would have won a title with Harden if the best team ever didn’t exist. No one would have cared that it’s all iso ball. People are being far too harsh. We blew away teams all year, including the playoffs. Harden is so ridiculously gifted that his iso ball is better than what 95% of teams can do, even the teams with the best strategies and schemes.
Comparing the workload of the two based on stats is pretty dumb. Durant is playing with stars throughout his starting five, his game is much easier
No kidding....he may be my least favorite player these days. Chippy, cheap shot-y, and hasn't performed in the clutch consistently.
Feel the same...plus the Warriors just are so pure.
Oh I agree he was awesome, but as Greenie said Harden seemed wiped by the end. Maybe it was related in part to whatever injury he suffered in the first. It's not like he did a ton on the defensive end.
Klay Thompson isn't as humble as some in this thread believe - look no further than his kiss to the Houston crowd after one of his late threes. But he is still awesome. As a side note, pretty much all the players in the league talk a ton of shit or are demonstrative in some way. This is sports in 2018 - it's not the olden days where players were ostensibly gentlemen and celebrating was frowned upon.
Back to Thompson, he could go anywhere in the Association, get paid and be a star. Instead he will likely extend in Golden State and compete for rings over the next few years. That speaks volumes about what he values in his sport.
Back to Thompson, he could go anywhere in the Association, get paid and be a star. Instead he will likely extend in Golden State and compete for rings over the next few years. That speaks volumes about what he values in his sport.
He's still going to sign a 100 million+ contract. Let's not act like he's signing a mid-level deal.
Also, by star you mean all star right? He's not going to another team and leading them to a conference finals. He's a 3rd banana and he knows it.
A (rumored) 4/$100M extension would still save the team a ton of money. If he waits to hit free agency he'll be eligible for a supermax deal worth nearly twice that. No one's talking mid-level, obviously.
I agree on all counts - he said it himself during the post-game interview. He gets paid handsomely, plays in a place he loves and gets to do something many in the league can only dream of which is to compete for titles each year.
As for him being a third banana, the fact that he knows it and accepts it is amazing in and of itself. Whether its his father's experience or he simply possesses the wisdom himself, he gets props for knowing a good thing when he has it.
One final note on Thompson. Not only does he know that he is not their best player but I think he knows that, as good as he is - and he is a very good two way player - he would never be this effective on a team that needed him to lead them. He gets credit for that too - the league has plenty of guys who would prefer to be the "alpha" versus having a competitive team. The thing is, all of the star players are getting paid in what amounts to generational wealth so it says something to me that a guy is willing to accept a lesser role to win. Your results may vary...
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Can't wait to see them try it though!
Verdict: Crazy. Hell, I'm not even sure he'd be drafted 4th.
Verdict: Not crazy. We have some good matchups for their original Big 3. Add in two healthy all-star guards and we might even be favorites. But yeah, Durant is just absurdly good. You can guard LeBron and limit him with the right schemes. With his shotmaking, range and length, Durant is absolutely unguardable.
Can't wait to see them try it though!
Klay’s a very good shooter and a good (but imo overrated) defender. I don’t know how much of a star he would be in another organization; he plays on a team where he, under optimal circumstances, is the third option on offense and the third best defender on his team. It’s awesome for him; if I could be an NBA player I’d want Klay Thompson’s job. To his credit; he’s the perfect fit for GS; a reliable shooter who can get hot and swing games in the playoffs, and a solid defender that can guard the other teams best backcourt player. He’s going to get $100 million, have the easiest role of any 20 point scorer in the NBA and win multiple titles.
I think you forgot to mention girls, either in Vegas or from Instagram. Maybe not as much as puppies but its up there, maybe ahead of sunny California.Klay values: (5) weed; (4) family; (3) sunny California; (2) balling all day; (1) puppies.
From everything I've ever heard, if he likes girls that much, Sunny California is the place to be anyway.
He has better playoff stats than regular season, I don't think it's his fault he hasn't played in big games before this year
There is no good answer to defending these guys but I think you basically just have to ignore Green and Iguodala and focus 95% of your efforts on Durant/Curry/Thompson. These are 3 guys who shoot 3’s at a 42-44% clip and FTs at an 85-90% clip. They are all efficient scoring machines at all 3 levels.
I would much rather give up a ton of easy 2’s and occasional 3’s to Draymond and Iggy than let Durant/Curry/Thompson drill 3’s all game. You obviously can’t stop the latter from happening but you have to limit it.
In my hypothetical series that I hope as hell happens, I do the following:
Horford - stays glued to Durant
Morris - gets Draymond and selectively doubles
Tatum - gets Iggy and selectively doubles
Brown - stays glued to Thompson
Rozier - stays glued to Curry
And then I have the Marcus Smart honey badger harass Curry once Rozier gets winded or 2 fouls. Problem is that without Kyrie and Hayward, the Celtics just don’t have enough offense to take out the Warriors but they do have the defensive chops, as they’ve shown over the past couple of years.
I would much rather give up a ton of easy 2’s and occasional 3’s to Draymond and Iggy than let Durant/Curry/Thompson drill 3’s all game. You obviously can’t stop the latter from happening but you have to limit it.
In my hypothetical series that I hope as hell happens, I do the following:
Horford - stays glued to Durant
Morris - gets Draymond and selectively doubles
Tatum - gets Iggy and selectively doubles
Brown - stays glued to Thompson
Rozier - stays glued to Curry
And then I have the Marcus Smart honey badger harass Curry once Rozier gets winded or 2 fouls. Problem is that without Kyrie and Hayward, the Celtics just don’t have enough offense to take out the Warriors but they do have the defensive chops, as they’ve shown over the past couple of years.
The best odds I'm seeing so far for the Warriors to win the series is only -510. And I hate to say it, but I actually think there's really good value there.
That's a bummer. Players should be extracting owners for every penny that they can get.
I thought "Balling all day" was related to girls. Am I misunderstanding the term?
Even if it ends up being the case, do you think they won that game with a hand from the refs? And doesn't it go against the grain (away team won)?
Especially when your owners have turned a ~$400 million investment into a ~$4 billion asset in less than ten years, and built a new downtown SF stadium while spending barely a penny of that, using corporate naming rights, etc. In the context of a $3.5 billion return on investment, an extra $50-100M over five years for Klay seems kinda like chump change, even given the so-called "painful" luxury tax hit.
As a Ws fan, all I can ask is that Lacob and co. ride this dynasty out and don't sweat the taxes and stuff. The supermax contract they gave Steph last summer, along with slightly above-market extensions for an aging Iguodala and Livingston, suggest that's the plan.
Yeah, I was kidding. The Rockets were pretty good and Harden was otherworldly for awhile and yet they basically ended up with no chance. I think Foster sucked equally for both teams; Durant's obvious three-point shot that he called a two point foul was particularly funny.
Wasn't it even worse than that? Didn't he call it a non-shooting foul? I assumed Durant only got to the line because they were in the bonus because don't they usually check the replay if two- or three-point shot is in question?
I'm not surprised the Warriors won, but I was surprised how easy it seemed. The Warriors could get pretty good shots just about whenever they wanted, and when they couldn't they let Durant iso on smaller guys and shoot over them. If Houston is going to have a chance, they need to be much, much better on defense: fewer wide-open transition 3s, fewer layups off of back-cuts, fewer easy layups for Curry off penetration. They let Thompson attempt 15 threes Green/Iguodala attempted only 2 -- they've got to force the weaker shooters to beat them. Cut down on the mental errors on D, force some more turnovers, and hope Durant has an off-night shooting on the midrange, and they have a shot. But can they play D at that level for four quarters against the Warriors?
Yes, exactly. It was inexcusable. Wasn't there a play that was pretty clearly not a shooting foul that went the Sixers' way in the Foster game against the Celtics?
I don’t remember specific examples but I do remember there’s being a bunch of ‘em in the series...and at least one blatantly awful one in Lebron’s favor in Game 1. Obviously not Foster tho.
I was disappointed in Houston's defense, especially late. At the start of the fourth quarter, Houston was down four and yet they were not hustling back in transition defense, and Klay was shooting wide open threes. I know its hard to closely guard a team as gifted as Golden State, but they need to be putting in more effort in that situation. When the game was still in reach, Golden State's shooters were open and Curry was getting right to the hoop.
