I guess Cleveland is the new Charlotte.Triple double for Oladipo tonight: 26/10/10. How's Bennett doing, Cleveland? Fucking morons.
nattysez said:Holy cow are the Warriors playing like hot garbage tonight. Toronto is up 19 in the second.
They are unreal. Got crushed in the first, played Toronto even for two quarters, and are now completely en fuego at both ends. And the crowd has been nuts.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Hot garbage now within five points with five plus minutes to play.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:And the Human Torch hits a three for the Warriors to take a two point lead with ~ 3 mins to play. They were down 27 at one point in this game.
Blacken said:So I guess I can basically just watch the second half of this one.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Pretty much. Its money. Draymond Fucking Green.
"[He] would exchange all of his points, rebounds and assists for wins," Izzo said. "A lot of people say that publicly, but they don't really feel that way. He feels it. There's not a question in my mind that Day-Day is all about winning."
Going into the season I was really looking forward to McCollum, but barring injury I don't see how he will crack the Blazer rotation, which is a very tight one.BigSoxFan said:And they'll be getting CJ McCollum back for additional depth at some point. Great collection of young talent with Aldridge still amazingly only 28 years-old.
Im more of a celtics than an nba fan so I only really see other teams when they play the celtics, I was really surprised by aldridge (all he did was hit the bottom of the net like he was kevin mchale or something) and a couple of their wing players. Those guys could not miss. I haven't seen enough of them to know if they can defend (tough to tell when watching celtics if opposition has good D or celtics are inept). My take was they were not good on D but man can they fill it up in a variety of waysSoxFanInPdx said:This Blazers team is legit. Really legit.
Kliq said:Rose is not ruling out a playoff return:http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/10083521/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-rule-return-playoffs
"If I'm healthy and the situation is right, I'm going to be back playing," Rose said Thursday during a news conference in his first public comments since tearing the meniscus in his right knee Nov. 22. "If I'm healthy and my meniscus is fully healed, of course I'll be out there playing. But if it's something totally different and the outcome is not how I would want it to be, there's no need."
Is it just me, or is Rose saying that the Bulls should keep trying to win games to get into the playoffs so he can come back at 60% and get swept in the second round, instead of bottoming out, getting a good draft pick and rebuilding for next year and beyond?
radsoxfan said:
I'm not sure Rose's motivation, but no reason he should be at only 60% by the playoffs. Though of course, he was so rusty when he came back, I suppose we don't really know his new baseline.
But the timeline they gave for his meniscus surgery recovery (out for the year) was ridiculously conservative given that it happened in November. Very reasonable to be back in 3 months at basically full strength from that injury, even if with an attempted repair as opposed to a partial meniscectomy.
Kliq said:
Most people I have heard talk about it say that there is no chance of Rose coming back this year, whatever that is worth.
Rose came back this year and only played at about 75%, so I highly doubt, come playoff time, he is going to be back at 2011-Rose level. There is a good chance that he will never be that player ever again. I can't believe that after all the drama last year with Rose coming back, he would start this train back up again.
knucklecup said:Indiana beats up on the Spurs in San Antonio
BigSoxFan said:This draft pick pisses me off and I'm not even a Cavs fan.
"He averaged 16.1 points and 8.1 rebounds a game despite only averaging 27.1 minutes a game. He shot 53.3% from the field overall and 37.5% from 3-point range. He was extremely efficient in college, averaging a PER of 28.3"
I for one, love seeing Kobe use the Lakers regular season as his own personal pre-season. Next 8 games are @OKC, @CHA, @ATL, @MEM, MIN, @GSW, @PHX, and home on Christmas day to host the Heat.Tony C said:I know it's just rustiness, but the beauty was not just that Kobe was bad but that he looked tentative. Beautiful thing to see that crazy, cocky sucker look a bit scared -- the crazy uncle, as Grantland puts it: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/85082/kobe-comes-back-and-the-nbas-crazy-uncle-is-home-again
knucklecup said:Go Bulls!
Tonight they lose at home to the Bucks scoring only 74 points in the process while Dunleavy had a game you won't see out of him again until the January game thread.
This team is as inefficient scoring the basketball as Rudy Gay.
knucklecup said:
I'm not going to write a 20 year old off with that much potential but it's impossible to justify not going with the most talented player with the top overall pick in a draft, and Bennett was clearly not that... or was he:
I wonder how much PER and his scoring efficiency factored into Cleveland's decision to draft him over Oladipo. As a freshman, Oladipo had a PER in the low 20's, Bennett outperformed that figure as a freshman.
Also, of the top 25 college players in PER rankings from last season, the only legit first round caliber talent is Olynyk with the highest in the country at 36.2, Nate Wolters at 32.0, Cody Zeller at 29.8, Oladipo at 28.9, and Bennett at 28.3.
They had already determined that Zeller was limited and didn't have the upside that either Oladipo or Bennett presented, and Olynyk and Wolters were never going to be considered as lottery talent despite their efficiency ratings in college.
So I'm shocked that so many people here would criticize this move so soon given that, by all accounts, the statistics make a compelling argument for drafting Bennett over Oladipo.
To me, it came off as a move where Cleveland thought they were the smartest person in the room and everybody else was scratching their heads wondering what the hell just happened.
PER isn't a particularly good evaluation tool, particularly for College players.knucklecup said:
I'm not going to write a 20 year old off with that much potential but it's impossible to justify not going with the most talented player with the top overall pick in a draft, and Bennett was clearly not that... or was he:
I wonder how much PER and his scoring efficiency factored into Cleveland's decision to draft him over Oladipo. As a freshman, Oladipo had a PER in the low 20's, Bennett outperformed that figure as a freshman.
Also, of the top 25 college players in PER rankings from last season, the only legit first round caliber talent is Olynyk with the highest in the country at 36.2, Nate Wolters at 32.0, Cody Zeller at 29.8, Oladipo at 28.9, and Bennett at 28.3.
They had already determined that Zeller was limited and didn't have the upside that either Oladipo or Bennett presented, and Olynyk and Wolters were never going to be considered as lottery talent despite their efficiency ratings in college.
So I'm shocked that so many people here would criticize this move so soon given that, by all accounts, the statistics make a compelling argument for drafting Bennett over Oladipo.
To me, it came off as a move where Cleveland thought they were the smartest person in the room and everybody else was scratching their heads wondering what the hell just happened.
knucklecup said:
I'm not going to write a 20 year old off with that much potential but it's impossible to justify not going with the most talented player with the top overall pick in a draft, and Bennett was clearly not that... or was he:
I wonder how much PER and his scoring efficiency factored into Cleveland's decision to draft him over Oladipo. As a freshman, Oladipo had a PER in the low 20's, Bennett outperformed that figure as a freshman.
Also, of the top 25 college players in PER rankings from last season, the only legit first round caliber talent is Olynyk with the highest in the country at 36.2, Nate Wolters at 32.0, Cody Zeller at 29.8, Oladipo at 28.9, and Bennett at 28.3.
They had already determined that Zeller was limited and didn't have the upside that either Oladipo or Bennett presented, and Olynyk and Wolters were never going to be considered as lottery talent despite their efficiency ratings in college.
So I'm shocked that so many people here would criticize this move so soon given that, by all accounts, the statistics make a compelling argument for drafting Bennett over Oladipo.
To me, it came off as a move where Cleveland thought they were the smartest person in the room and everybody else was scratching their heads wondering what the hell just happened.
Cellar-Door said:PER isn't a particularly good evaluation tool, particularly for College players.
BigSoxFan said:Even if you reject the Wade comparison (I only made it to show that non-PGs and bigs can have high TOs), the bottom line is that Oladipo projects to be a much better play over the course of his career than a 6'7 SF/PF. Bennett was simply a terrible pick by Cleveland.