Most Disappointing Sox 2017

Who left you most disappointed this year?


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MikeM

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and my opinion is those who vote Mookie are drunk. Even in a down year offensively (and while the IFFB are concerning, they can't explain all the BABIP luck), he's a top-10 WAR hitter in the AL. I guess he's a massive disappointment if you assumed he'd be Troutian year-in-and-year-out.
Trout is currently slashing a season line of .327/.459/.667. Mookie is at .263/.341/.437. Which leaves a pretty humongous gap for a higher expectation of offense to fall in that still falls short of a Troutian level of hitting.

Agreed that we all have an opinion on what is worth getting drunk on though i guess. For me a very defense heavy WAR total claiming that Mookie is still a top 10 player, when the league average AL line is .256/.325/.428, isn't it.
 

Rovin Romine

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Sox average 4.37 runs in his starts and 4.92 runs when anyone else starts. While he's certainly regressed, that they're 13-15 when he pitches isn't really his fault.
Well, that's true, he just hasn't gotten the run support. However, he's not really keeping the score down on his end - last year, Porcello had only 6 of 33 starts where he gave up 4 earned runs or more. This year, he gave up 4 runs or more in 10 of 28 starts. Which is basically saying he's gone from a Cy to a median starting pitcher.
 

Al Zarilla

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and my opinion is those who vote Mookie are drunk. Even in a down year offensively (and while the IFFB are concerning, they can't explain all the BABIP luck), he's a top-10 WAR hitter in the AL. I guess he's a massive disappointment if you assumed he'd be Troutian year-in-and-year-out.

For me it's Hanley. Coming into the season he was expected to be a 1B who could lead the offense, particularly helping the power side. His ISO is bad, his command of the strikeout rate has gone the wrong way, and to put the cherry on top, his inability (or lack of desire, whatever) to play 1B has pinned the Red Sox into a position where they now A) can't use the DH slot to give regulars rest from playing the field and B) are forced to use the occasionally flawed Mitch Moreland in situations where he is like to hurt the team offensively because he is occasionally flawed.

I'm kind of shocked he's so low down the poll right now -- I guess people really didn't expect much of him because he's been barely above replacement this year.
Mookie is not a top 10 WAR hitter right now, even AL. I wish he were because he was a joy to watch last year, but he's been mystifying at the plate for a lot of the year now. His OWAR is less than half of his overall WAR. Fortunately, all other aspects of his game haven't suffered.
 

DJnVa

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I vote for X. Just think it's a down year.

Mookie is just captive, I think, to a statistical oddity. He's murdering the ball with RISP (and men on base in general) and not doing much with no one on.

I don't think that's predictive at all, but I think I prefer that than the other way.
 

Savin Hillbilly

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The wrong side of the bridge....
Other than coming in and making a splash during the stretch run, I'm not sure the two are all that similar. Benintendi hasn't fallen off all that much compared to his splashy debut, and certainly not as far as Ellsbury did (aside from lead the league in SB, I wouldn't classify Ellsbury's 2008 as "pretty good" at all)

Ellsbury in 2007: .353/.394/.509, 131 OPS+, 33 G
Ellsbury in 2008: .280/.336/.394, 88 OPS+, 145 G

Benintendi in 2016: .295/.359/.476, 118 OPS+, 34 G
Benintendi in 2017: .275/.354/.436, 107 OPS+, 124 G (on pace for ~150)
A bit of a digression, but I think it's unfair to judge Ellsbury's 2008 by his hitting alone. His WAR was 4.2(f)/3.0(br), and there were reasons for that, namely baserunning and defense. It's hard to remember now, but in that first bloom of his youth and health Ellsbury was a really good outfielder; he racked up Mookie-esque UZR and DRS totals in 2008 while splitting time between CF, LF and RF. That plus being the best baserunner in the AL* adds up to a "pretty good" year, even with the mediocre-at-best bat.

*He racked up 9.2 baserunning runs according to FG, compared to 10.2 for Ichiro and 10.1 for Sizemore--but both those guys got on base a lot more than Jacoby, so he produced significantly more baserunning value per unit opportunity than they did. Nobody else in the league came close to those three, so I think there's a pretty good case that he was the best baserunner in the league that year.
 

Rice4HOF

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For me its Tyler Thornburg (and an honorable mention to Carson Smith). But only because in the preseason I thought they would be the key to a lights out bullpen that would be a difference maker for this team.
 

czar

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Mookie is not a top 10 WAR hitter right now, even AL. I wish he were because he was a joy to watch last year, but he's been mystifying at the plate for a lot of the year now. His OWAR is less than half of his overall WAR. Fortunately, all other aspects of his game haven't suffered.
I meant "top 10 fWAR player who bats." As in, I sorted Fangraphs leaderboard by "AL hitters." He is 9th coming into today.
 

jerry casale

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Hanley has a .779 OPS and 103 OPS+. Last year he was .866 and 126
Mookie has a .777 OPS and 103 OPS+. Last year he was .897 and 133

Given that Hanley is aging, and that Mookie has declined more offensively, to me Mookie is easily the bigger disappointment.

Also, whoever said that Mookie is only a disappointment if you expect him to have Trout-esque years is flat out wrong. His 2016 OPS ranked 18th in MLB. It ranks 94th this year. It's not like expecting him to be a top 20 hitter is some insane expectation IMO. Maybe he wasn't going to duplicate 2016 but is top 50 too much to ask? (that would be a .845 OPS this year)
I still say the difference; Mookie plays GG defense 150 games a year, half those in a tough right field.
Also look at the RBIs and base running. It's not close. Then add in $19M
 

simplicio

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For me its Tyler Thornburg (and an honorable mention to Carson Smith). But only because in the preseason I thought they would be the key to a lights out bullpen that would be a difference maker for this team.
The loss of what Robbie Ross provided last year was pretty significant too.
 

E5 Yaz

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Xander Bogaerts, still dealing with sore right hand, sitting tonight for Red Sox. He's 2-for-23 with 10 strikeouts in last six games; batted .227/.312/.371 in August; .201/.276/.299 since getting hit on right hand on July 6 at Tampa Bay.
 

streeter88

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Xander Bogaerts, still dealing with sore right hand, sitting tonight for Red Sox. He's 2-for-23 with 10 strikeouts in last six games; batted .227/.312/.371 in August; .201/.276/.299 since getting hit on right hand on July 6 at Tampa Bay.
What? Farrell finally noticed? Wonders never cease.
 

Sampo Gida

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I cant decide on one guy. Obviously Betts, Hanley and Porcello are the top 3. Maybe X for top 4. I never really expected much from Price or Panda

Hanley and X probably have an injury so I guess that leaves me with Betts and Porcello who seem healthy but just not as good as last year.
 

Sampo Gida

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Xander Bogaerts, still dealing with sore right hand, sitting tonight for Red Sox. He's 2-for-23 with 10 strikeouts in last six games; batted .227/.312/.371 in August; .201/.276/.299 since getting hit on right hand on July 6 at Tampa Bay.
I still remember the relief expressed by some on the game thread when it was announced he "only had a bruise".
 

Buzzkill Pauley

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I still remember the relief expressed by some on the game thread when it was announced he "only had a bruise".
To be fair, if Farrell had gone to a Lin/Marrero platoon, they probably could have hit at least that well, and the Sox would likely be getting good Xander back in time for the playoffs.

So it was a good thing that it was only bruised, but unfortunately it's been horribly mis-handled as a non-DL-worthy injury.

No one who's followed the Red Sox over the past few years should be surprised, though.