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Mookie wins Gold Glove

Discussion in 'Red Sox Forum' started by TimScribble, Nov 7, 2017.

  1. TimScribble

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    The #Rawlings #GoldGlove Award Winner – AL Right Field - @mookiebetts
     
  2. Stanley Steamer

    Stanley Steamer Well-Known Member Silver Supporter

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    Way to go, Mookie! Now get one for your buddy, Jackie. He's no slouch either.
     
  3. brandonchristensen

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    Awesome congrats
     
  4. Detts

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    Hells to the yah!
     
  5. drbretto

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    I thought Pedroia would have been a shoo-in. To be fair, I only watch the Sox so I don't have the perspective. Was Dozier better?

    Anyway, Grats to Mookie! We're so lucky to have that dude. Just a great all-around player.
     
  6. Red(s)HawksFan

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    By the defensive numbers, Pedroia was slightly better but had far fewer defensive innings played (almost 500 innings).

    But by the more important Gold Glove numbers, Dozier had Pedroia beat with 34 HR and a 126 OPS+ (vs 7 and 101).
     
  7. drbretto

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    Lotta truth in that second paragraph.
     
  8. Andrew

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    Is Mookie the best defensive player relative to others at their position in the majors?
     
  9. Ale Xander

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    Congrats Mookie, you deserve it!
     
  10. Savin Hillbilly

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    By DRS, not quite: Mookie leads all RF by 13, but Andrelton Simmons leads all SS by 21.
    By UZR, yes: Mookie's 8.4-run lead edges Simmons' lead (6.9) and Rendon's at 3B (ditto).
    In the hearts of his countrymen, hell yeah.
     
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    that link does not think too highly of JBJ or Benintendi.
     
  13. Stanley Steamer

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    Yeah, and that's what I just don't get. I don't have a strong opinion about AB's defense one way or the other, but JBJ is another story entirely. He may be the best Red Sox CF I've ever seen. To my eye, he makes so many tough plays look routine, and is beyond smooth. Pillar and Kiermeier are probably just as good, but I wouldn't trade JBJ for them. It's just really hard to know what I'm (we're) missing, but it seems to be consistent.
     
  14. drbretto

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    Does Mookie's range in right end up working against JBJ's numbers? I don't know how they're calculated.
     
  15. simplicio

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    That's generally the theory, yeah.
     
  16. SoxInTheMist

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    My two year old hits a ball off a tee in the living room and runs around the room calling himself Mookie. I'm 49. Before 2004 this would have been my worst nightmare.
     
  17. Al Zarilla

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    I wonder if someone wrote a program that included all the range factors, etc., it would recommend putting Mookie in center and JBJ in right. JBJ’s arm wouldn’t be wasted in right, Mookie's got plenty of arm for center, and he gobbles up all kinds of balls in left center that Andrew can’t get to and JBJ wasn’t quite fast enough to get to. Would take guts for Cora to suggest such a thing because of the experience of the guys where they’re at, and if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Just a pipe dream. Also, Giancarlo may be here, who knows.
     
  18. charlieoscar

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    Among other things, this link has descriptions of what fielding metrics make up SDI (SABR's Defensive Index) and what defensive elements are included in SDI's components. This was published in August of 2013, so there may have been some changes because of StatCast.
    http://sabr.org/content/details-new-rawlings-gold-glove-awards-selection-process-sabr
     
  19. Savin Hillbilly

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    I notice that SABR's formula combines several different metrics, and I think at least some of these (e.g. Zone Rating) penalize fielders for balls in their zone they didn't catch even if another fielder caught them--which UZR, for instance, does not. So it seems very possible that JBJ is getting dinged in this system for balls Mookie's catching.
     
  20. Boggs26

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    Wasnt there discussion around here at one point about how the Sox use their 3 CF outfield? Some seemed to think the Sox philosophy was to let Mookie and AB cover as much ground as possible leaving JBJ to back up plays - using his arm to keep misplays to a minimum. I believe some argued that this might hurt JBJs statistical value, but might be the best use of the specific players.
     
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    My impression of Bradley's arm this year was that while it was strong, it was not always accurate, and in looking at FanGraph's advanced defensive ratings for this season I found his rating in CF for rARM was 0.0 (where rARM is runs above average an OF saves by preventing runners from advancing).

    In 2016 his rating was 7. Possible explanations...trying to throw too hard this season, thus pulling some throws off line; over-throwing the cut-off?
     
  22. Deathofthebambino

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    I don't do Twitter, but I saw this come up on the ESPN website via Twitter from someone named Scott Lauber. Apparently, Mookie can bowl. Who knew?

    After 20 games and with 20 remaining, Mookie Betts ranks 159th in a field of 195 at the World Series of Bowling with a 205.75 average, up from his 190 average of two years ago when he made his WSOB debut. His scores in the second round ("Shark" oiling pattern): 227, 215, 202, 207, 155, 179, 222, 223, 237, 222.

    Where the hell is the little box to put quotes around something? Oh well, I'll go with the bolding.
     
  23. charlieoscar

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    Thought that was common knowledge. He was also MVP in basketball in his district league as a senior.
     
  24. BillMuellerFanClub

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    This is incredible. Really puts into perspective the season Vazquez had at the plate. He was a very bright spot for the 2017 edition, and is probably only overshadowed by the presumption that he can't possibly keep this up, right?
     
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    Mookie with a perfect game today at the PBA World Series of Bowling.

     

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