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Michigan State Sexual Assault Scandal/Fallout

Discussion in 'College Sports' started by RedOctober3829, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id...on-michigan-state-goes-larry-nassar-case-espn

    There are unconfirmed reports that Tom Izzo and Mark Dantonio may retire in the next few days.
     
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  3. wade boggs chicken dinner

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  4. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    This tweet says Izzo may resign but wants to finish the season.

    Wonder if he is going to coach tonight?

     
  5. troparra

    troparra Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I'm not saying this won't happen, but thsi all seems to have begun with an ESPN Outside the Lines story. I think we had Belichick coaching the Giants the last time ESPN applied their investigative journalism skills.
     
  6. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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    Woj also has Izzo resigning.

     
  7. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Fake account, real one is @wojespn.
     
  8. scott bankheadcase

    scott bankheadcase Member SoSH Member

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    I believe all this to be true, but that's not Woj.
     
  9. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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    K thanks. Not regular twitter user.
     
  10. Tyrone Biggums

    Tyrone Biggums nfl meets tri-annually at a secret country mansion SoSH Member

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    Heart hurts for the victims of these monsters. Izzo and Mark Dantonio should be terminated immediately. Hopefully between the Nassar BS and then the sexual assault happening on campus they get hit with the NCAA death penalty for lack of institutional control.
     
  11. canderson

    canderson Fomenting voting confusion and angst since 2016 Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    When the ncaa does less than they did vs PSU and UNC, maybe that’ll lead to its collapse,
     
  12. smokin joe wood

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    ESPN sued the university to get this story out into the light. The air pressure in footballs and Bill Belichick's job status are really irrelevant here. ESPN and the Indianapolis Star need to be lauded for putting resources into investigative journalism.
     
  13. canderson

    canderson Fomenting voting confusion and angst since 2016 Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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  15. soxhop411

    soxhop411 Member SoSH Member

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    That Izzo press conference won’t help him.
     
  16. luckysox

    luckysox Eeyore Bronze Supporter SoSH Member

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    I never thought I'd say this, but fuck Tom Izzo. FUCK him.
     
  17. Pablo's TB Lover

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    Just burn it all down, like the USA Gymnastics Board. The entire MSU leadership including athletics needs a full scrubbing. YOU are part of the problem in enabling this, Dantonio and Izzo. And I have been a big Izzo fan...
     
  18. garlan5

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    Yeah. I thought he was one of the good guys. That press conference was brutal. A man who sees the end
     
  19. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

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    Just watched the press conference, and this captures it for me. He doesn't want to see the end, but it's staring him right in the face.

    Unless something breaks to change the narrative - and in case that is ambiguous, let me make clear that the narrative is righteous - his exit is a question of time. I give him a week to finish negotiating his exit package.
     
  20. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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    Good post at the lawyers guns money blog tying the scandal to an obsession on athletic success here: https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.co...dal-financial-structure-american-universities. In addition to discussing MSU's perceived inferiority complex versus UM, it makes a few other good points. Two quotes here::

    In recent years, and especially during President Lou Anna Simon’s term, MSU’s athletic triumphs have helped drive a very successful enhancement of the school’s finances. During Simon’s presidency, the school’s endowment has more than quadrupled, increasing from $592 million in 2003 to $2.7 billion in 2017. Over that time, the school went from having the 77th to the 33rd largest endowment of any American college or university: the steepest such ascent of any school during the relevant period.

    The school’s board of trustees, which resisted calls for Simon’s ouster until public pressure became too overwhelming, is dominated by former MSU football and basketball players, one of whom went on to become the football team’s coach. Four of the board’s eight members fall into this category, and a fifth, Joel Ferguson, is infamous for statements that make it clear his primary criterion for whether the school and the school’s president are doing well is athletic success.

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    The structural situation at MSU – an obsession with sports success, a closely connected obsession with fundraising, and a governing board that shares and intensifies those obsessions while featuring no discernible qualifications in regard to regulating a research university (none of the board members have ever worked in higher education, and only one, a lawyer, has an advanced degree) — is a very common one in contemporary American higher education. The scandal at MSU should be a cautionary tale for the many institutions that resemble Michigan State in more ways than one.
     
  21. shaggydog2000

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    TV revenue sports success drives coaching salaries and fundraising efforts at these schools. It's no surprise that people are willing to bend rules, completely ignore them, and have no compassion for human beings involved. I don't think any major revenue generating sports team at any university in the NCAA could stand up to a serious third party (Non-NCAA) investigation. The financial pressure/reward is just so great.
     
  22. RedOctober3829

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    If he doesn't resign, whoever the new president and AD will be will probably get rid of him and Dantonio to get a fresh start. This is their chance to write their own narrative.
     
  23. troparra

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    You're right, air pressure has nothing to do with this. I'm talking about ESPN's investigative journalism, which is agenda driven and misleading. Why would anyone who has read the garbage they released on the Patriots take this at face value?
     
  24. RedOctober3829

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    Because unlike Wickersham's reporting that used unnamed sources there are actually witnesses who are on record. Big difference, don't you think?
     
  25. troparra

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    Not necessarily. I don’t trust ESPN.
     
  26. RedOctober3829

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    So do you think ESPN is telling these people to lie? I don't quite get your stance.
     
  27. troparra

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    I don't trust their witness as being other than one side of a complex story. I don't trust ESPN'S piecing together of tidbits of info to make a narrative without them also overlooking pertinent facts that undermine their flashy take. I can't resolve the fact that I believe ESPN wrote sensationalized clickbait in Wickersham's piece a few weeks ago and in that Pats cheating piece in 2015, all for clicks, and now they are on the up and up. If I buy this current stuff, then I'm forced to believe that ESPN is out to get the Patriots specifically and otherwise practice thorough, by the book journalism.
    I think ESPN is writing misleading stuff to sound juicy and generate clicks, just like with the Pats. I don't know enough about MSU to actually judge it, which basically makes me like a mouth breathing Jets fan saying BeliCHEAT!!1!
     
  28. scott bankheadcase

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    This is a stunningly terrible take. Read the victims impact statements from the Nasser trial. Realize MSU turned a blind eye to it all. Look at the copious reporting with on the record statements and police reports from witnesses. Some of this stuff is a matter of public record and clear as day.

    Your love of the Patriots is blinding you to the cover up of assaults, some sexual. Do some introspection.
     
  29. terrynever

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    Outside The Lines has been doing stellar investigative journalism since 1990. To compare what OTL does with ESPN hacks like Seth Wickersheim is just wrong.
     
  30. IdiotKicker

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    If you don’t understand the difference between multiple on the record witnesses and police reports and unnamed staffers as sources of evidence, then there’s an issue with your ability to process information. What you’re doing right now is the equivalent of saying NBC can never be trusted because Brian Williams.
     
  31. troparra

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    It's worse, he's saying the Boston Globe's spotlight section was lying about the catholic church child sex scandal because Shaughnessy wrote drivel about a Curse. It's one of the worst posts I've seen on this site.
     
  33. Byrdbrain

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    Please just stop, it isn't just ESPN. There are court records and victim testimonies as well as multiple other news agencies reporting this stuff.
    You should read the other thread about this and then when you have come back here and apologize for being so wrong about this.
     
  34. troparra

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    Alright, I apologize. I know MSU is in deep shit. The Nassar stuff is appalling and they’ll get reamed. It just seemed to me that ESPN was making hay by linking unrelated sex assaults at MSU’s most high profile programs to Nassar. I suppose their athletic department enables sexual assault, we’ll find out soon enough because now the state of Michigan is investigating.
     
  35. troparra

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    Let me add that I don’t want my mistrust of ESPN to be an indicator that I think MSU is innocent. I just don’t trust ESPN, OTL’s history notwithstanding. ESPN seems to be moving in the direction of tabloid journalism.
     
  36. Marciano490

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    What are you gaining by talking about this here? It’s a discussion of sexual assault and rape and cover up and you’re doing a poor me Pats fan schtick. Get some perspective.
     
  37. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    posted in other thread that Lt. Gov. is calling on MSU to stop defending and start settling lawsuits. Probably not going to happen but it's a good political move.
     
  38. Average Reds

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    It's not coincidental that the Lt. Gov. is also a candidate for governor and that his primary opponent is the AG who is conducting the investigation into MSU.

    Just proves that, on rare occasions, even the cheapest, least principled political grandstanding can be in support of a good cause.
     
  39. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Inside Higher Ed with an interesting summary of the heat on the MSU BOT. No new information but it does delve into the trustee appointment and removal process.

    I don't know anything about the LG but one bad thing about politics is that every act is going to be judged through the political lens. I mean there is the chance that he made this call because it's the right thing to do but most are going to jump to the political conclusion. Occupational hazard I know; just making an observation.
     
  40. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Travis Walton is from Lima, OH. For some reason, a reporter for Limaohio.com decided to wrote a story about Travis Walton and his potential coaching career. The article is here: http://www.limaohio.com/sports/281851/tom-izzos-coaching-dna-runs-deep-in-travis-walton.

    The article includes this tidbit: "Walton took a shot at playing at the next level, joining the Detroit Piston’s summer league team, but was not offered a contract. Faced with a decision about what to do next, it was Coach Izzo who stepped in and made Travis an offer he couldn’t refuse. 'I was nine hours short of graduation,” Walton says. “Coach Izzo encouraged me to return to MSU, work with him as a student assistant coach, and earn my degree.' Walton moved into Izzo’s basement and spent the year completing his degree, learning the art of coaching and staying in shape by working out with the team."

    Note that the article was published before OTL's expose on Friday.

    If this is true and Walton was living in Izzo's basement at the time he was being investigated for giving a woman a concussion, Izzo is not going to survive this.

    It's already being picked up here: https://www.landof10.com/michigan-state/michigan-state-basketball-travis-walton-tom-izzo-basement
     
  41. Average Reds

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    You can remove the qualification. Izzo is not going to survive this.

    The chaos at MSU - no university President, no AD, General Counsel's office under fire, BoT on the verge of resigning/being dismissed - is such that he may make it through this season. But once the situation normalizes to the point where people can focus on Izzo, he (along with Dantonio) will be gone.
     
    #41 Average Reds, Jan 30, 2018
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  42. edoug

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    Limaohio.com has newer much less sunny view of Walton. None of it refers to Izzo which is kind of odd. But like Average Reds said that will change in a much more public way.

    http://www.limaohio.com/news/282383/travis-walton-in-heart-of-michigan-state-scandal
     
  43. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Thanks for posting.

    The difference is that the article from last week was written by a local press guy who knows Walton pretty well. The article you posted is from wire reports. From memory, it appears that almost all of it is a regurgitation of the OTL article.
     
  44. edoug

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    Sorry, I was going for irony of a newspaper reporting on the stories within days of each other.
     
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