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Michael Chavis, SS: 2014 MLB Draft 26th overall

Discussion in 'Red Sox Forum' started by Merkle's Boner, Jun 5, 2014.

  1. charlieoscar

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    Back in the days when I went to spring training (after the Sox moved to Fort Myers), I spent quite a bit of time at the minor league camp and one could wander around the area. I recall standing right next to a player who was listed as the same height that I am and I could see the button on the top of his cap. They were very lax about recording height and my guess is that they went by what a player listed. This led me to make up my own method of interpreting heights: someone who was 5'6" became 5'9"; 5'9" became 5'10", 5'11" became 6", etc.

    Maybe they actually measure players today.
     
  2. soxhop411

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    Michael Chavis' mad scramble to reach The Show


    more at the link



    Really good ESPN story on Chavis’s crazy two days


    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26569305/michael-chavis-mad-scramble-reach-show
     
  3. Pandarama

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  4. bosox79

    bosox79 Member SoSH Member

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    That was 2 days ago before Cora really had a chance to watch Chavis get reps at 2b in person.

    I also don't think it's a big deal. Xander didn't get many reps at 3b in 2013, Betts didn't get many reps in the OF. Travis Shaw played a competent 2b last year. How many games would people want Chavis to play at 2b before trying in the Majors? 10? 20? More?

    5 games is obviously a very small sample size but I think it's a big enough sample to know if someone is going to be a complete disaster out there. Chavis could still be really bad, but chances are he's not going to be historically bad. Plus the other current options aren't very good.

    I'm an unabashed Lin fanboy and think given a chance, he'd prove to be a fringe average to average hitter. That's an incredibly valuable player when you factor in plus defense at 2b, SS, 3b and a competent CF. He has the arm strength for RF and LF too. If he is a fringe average hitter, he's the only one I could see being considerably more valuable than Chavis because there could be a huge gap in defensive value. I'm pretty sure I'm on my own island in regards to Lin though.

    I mentioned before how Lin and Chavis had breakout years in 2017 and went into Chavis more in depth. Here's Lin:

    minors 2012-2016: 1770 PA, .235/.305/.306, 84 xbh, 170bb/275k, 15.5% K rate, 9.6% BB rate, 5.4% XBH
    minors 2017-2019: 671 PA, .286/.346/.426, 55 xbh, 57bb/126k, 18.8% K rate, 8.5% BB rate, 9.1% XBH
    Majors 2017-2019: 148 PA, .246/.333/.362, 10 xbh, 17bb/37k, 25.0% K rate, 11.5% BB rate, 6.8% XBH

    It's well documented he changed his swing after his dreadful 2016 (.223/.287/.293) to add more power to his swing. Less than a year later, he was making his Major league debut.
     
  5. bosox79

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    I've seen him in Hadlock a few times. My vision kinda sucks but he looked slightly shorter than me and I'm 5'9.
     
  6. nattysez

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    There are many scouts and other people in the org who've seen him play there and relayed to Cora that he needed more time. The ideas that Cora is the sole arbiter of whether Chavis plays second and that he only needed to see him in warmups at 2b for 2 days to determine that he's ok to play 2b are preposterous.
     
  7. Al Zarilla

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    Thanks. Not ideal 1B size. If he can hit, they’ll find him a place to play though.
     
  8. bosox79

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    Either way, "not quite ready" could mean a day or 3 weeks. It's coach speak for "we're giving him a day or two to absorb it all before starting him." It doesn't answer the question of how many games do you think he needs at 2b before playing there in an actual game? And how is he going to play those games at 2b when he's on the big league roster? If there was a lack of a long term plan, it was calling him up in the first place. Once they called him up, they have no choice but to play him at 2b.
     
  9. Al Zarilla

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    I thought your post was going to end up “it was Yaz.”
     
  10. charlieoscar

    charlieoscar Member

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    While I saw Yaz a number of times at the minor league complex, he was always in a golf cart.
     
  11. LoweTek

    LoweTek Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yaz is not 5'10" now. I doubt he ever was. I have a picture standing next to him from about 15 years ago. I'm barely 5'6" and he was maybe 1.5 inches taller than me. Maybe.
     
  12. absintheofmalaise

    absintheofmalaise too many flowers Dope SoSH Member

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  13. Minneapolis Millers

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    Yaz was typically listed as 5'11" but his baseball cards listed him anywhere from 5'10" to 6' (and his height somehow alternated throughout his career!). I agree with the general point of height inflation - people usually round up, because "taller" is deemed better than "shorter" and/or "truer."
     
  14. Sandy Leon Trotsky

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    Any reports on how he’s looking out there defensively so far? Offense seems okay... better than Holt/Nuñez/current Pedroia
     
  15. mfried

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    Chavis needs to learn (from the likes of Xander, R. Maris, etc. that home runs can often be 370-410 ft. 440 not required. Does anyone know if he ever hits with doubles power to right field?
     
  16. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    He did hit a spring training oppo line drive HR versus the Yankees, but I don't know where to find minor league spray charts. Not sure how often he uses right field.

    Here is a link to the video (my embedding skills suck)
     
  17. chrisfont9

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    WEEI has an article up about him being super-religious and arguing with people on twitter. It's not even slightly fun to read so I won't post a link. I'm just happy he appears to be good at baseball.
     
  18. Madmartigan

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    Anyone feel a little gross rooting for him given that he got busted for PEDs? That stain is hard to get out.
     
  19. chrisfont9

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    A little, yeah. Not sure what we are supposed to do with the information though. That it was accidental? That he did it but he's clean now so it's OK? Or just move on and try to forget about it like so many other things?
     
  20. southshoresoxfan

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    Not even 1%
     
  21. montoursvillefan

    montoursvillefan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    As Manny said, "turn the page". True, intentional or accidental, root for the kid. Lots of suspects in MLB over the years, if he stays clean and produces good for him.
     
  22. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I feel less gross about this than Pedroia believing in Bigfoot.
     
  23. Sandy Leon Trotsky

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    I cheered for Schilling every second he was on the team... I couldn’t stand him before or after. I’m fine rooting for Chavis who seems way less of an asshole than Schilling
     
  24. terrynever

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    Old Guy stat: People lose a half-inch in height every decade after they turn 50. Yogi was around 5-4 when he cashed out.
     
  25. nvalvo

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    .214/.421/.500 in his first 19 PA.
     
  26. bosockboy

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    Jeff Kent comp jumps out at me.
     
  27. rhswanzey

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    Ants at the picnic:

    His OBP drops .067 if you remove his final two PA tonight. His HBP came against a guy who has retired two of the eight hitters he's faced (a shiny 16.47 xFIP!). His third walk came against a guy who walked in three consecutive runs in mop up duty.

    Positive signs here, but we really don't know anything yet.
     
  28. pokey_reese

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    At least we know he won’t get himself out against bad pitchers by swinging at junk. For a rookie in his first week, that’s something.
     
  29. DrewDawg

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    You’re saying with only 20 or so plate appearances the sample is too small?
     
  30. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Dan Uggla creeping in that thought for me.
     
  31. Sandy Leon Trotsky

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    How’s his defense looking so far?
     
  32. bosockboy

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    I’d gladly split the difference. Kent should be in Cooperstown.
     
  33. nvalvo

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    Uggla's years of team control were worth 20 fWAR.
     
  34. gedman211

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    poor pugnacious pedroia potentially prematurely pipped
     
  35. redsox11507

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    As Eck said last night, "verrrry interesting." Pedroia has been an injured man for the last couple of years, but Nunez limited offensive value in his two full years with the Sox (1.8 bWAR) has been offset by his defensive liability (-1.7 bWAR). Over the same stretch, Holt is at 1.1 bWAR offensively and 0.4 defensively. Both of these guys have been on the cusp of getting the boot for the last two years, but have managed to stick around. Does fan favorite in Pedroia get the benefit of the doubt here moving Chavis to the utility role (drafted SS, 3B in the minors, getting reps at 2B with the sox)?

    As a Pedroia fan that's the route my heart goes, but more rationally I've got to imagine any of the permutations of those 4 guys probably makes at least as much sense.
     
  36. SouthernBoSox

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    With Lin and Chavis readily available with options I honestly have no idea what utility Nunez has with this team
     
  37. Comfortably Lomb

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    No. It shows commitment. Gotta love that in a young player.
     
  38. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Lin and Chavis seem to be decent and cheaper substitutes for Holt and Nunez
     
  39. Rasputin

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    I'm pretty much assuming Holt and Nunez are gone after the season if not before, and if that means Lin and Chavis are backing up and starting respectively, I am more than perfectly cool with that.
     
  40. Lose Remerswaal

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    Marco Hernandez was activated by the Sox this week, rehabbing in Salem and now active there
     
  41. rhswanzey

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    Are you going to move forward without a 5th OF? Are you okay playing Pearce out in LF on more than an emergency basis? C/Pearce/Lin - 4th bench spot is Pedroia, an outfielder, or an 8th reliever

    Er.. I guess we've got the 26th roster spot on the way next year, so the positional flexibility is a little less of an issue going forward. Still, boy this team is lucky it didn't cut Holt in March like a lot of us were expecting.

    On paper, a RH infielder to protect Devers from tough lefties makes sense. However, Nunez has always performed better against righties, in nearly 3000 career PA. Plus, he hasn't hit anyone since 2017, and we've got a RH infielder who looks a lot less lost up there. Too bad he can't play both second and third. It's possible he's not going to survive the whole season. With Pedroia a total question mark, you can't really pull the trigger there until Holt is back, at a minimum.
     
  42. Red(s)HawksFan

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    Lin plays the outfield. He's the direct Holt replacement in this scenario. That said, if healthy, I don't expect Holt is going anywhere anytime soon. I've said it before, but he seems primed for an extended, Wakefield like career with the Sox.
     
  43. Lose Remerswaal

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    Exactly. Lin had never played OF until he did. Same as Holt. And I am not sure how "lucky" we are to not have cut Holt in March. He sure didn't help the team any in his time prior to going on the IL.

    With Pedroia a question mark, we have a kid named Chavis filling in ok, plus Lin, and maybe Hernandez down the line, who had a big upside before he got hurt.
     
  44. In my lifetime

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    One of the differences working against Holt (and in a much more significant way against Kimbrel and a possible RS contract) is the luxury tax. As second time offenders, every dollar the RS save by finding a less expensive replacement saves $1.30 this year and $1.40 next. That is a significant savings as long as they don't lose much talent in the exchange (of course not too much loss comparing Holt and Lin; much more comparing Kimbrel and whoever).
     
  45. Savin Hillbilly

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    Isn't Holt a sunk cost for both bottom-line and luxury tax purposes this year? What did I miss?
     
  46. iddoc

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    Some folks seem eager (again) to jettison Holt, but he saved 2B from being an utter black hole last year and has a track record of major league competence.
     
  47. Lose Remerswaal

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    Yes. He has a contract for this year so that cost is sunk unless they could trade him, which is unlikey. I just don't understand the "thank goodness we didn't get rid of him in March" comment, as he has contributed nothing positive to the team so far this year.

    (changed "unlucky" to "unlikely")
     
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  48. Red(s)HawksFan

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    Pretty sure that comment was talking about last March (2018), when everyone and their mother didn't seem to want or expect Holt to break camp or ever be a productive major leaguer again.
     
  49. Lose Remerswaal

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    Ahhh, I didn't see it that way before
     
  50. rhswanzey

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    Yep, I was referring to Holt in 2018, and I was in the camp expecting him to be cut before OD - but the statement wasn't clear, and I more egregiously missed that Lin has had some AAA time in center the past couple seasons.

    With both Nunez and Holt getting ready to return, once demoted, I wonder what Chavis would have to do in AAA to force the Sox to make room for him. Holt is the only one of these three who can be used at shortstop, so it's Nunez with the target on his back.
     

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