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Matt Barnes

Discussion in 'The Adopt a Prospect Forum' started by Back Bay, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. Back Bay

    Back Bay Member SoSH Member

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    Age: 21
    Born: June 17, 1990
    Bethel, CT

    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 203
    Bats: Right
    Throws: Right
    Drafted: 1st round, 2011
    How Acquired: Draft
    College: Connecticut

    High School: Bethel (CT)
    ETA: Late 2014

    Scouting Report: Tall righty with projectable body. Easy delivery. Fastball sits 93-95 mph and tops out at 96. Shows excellent downward finish in lower tier of strike zone, but tends to flatten out when elevated. Ball comes out of his hand fluidly. Works fastball to both sides of the plate. Solid-average fastball command. Also throws a high-70s curveball with tight rotation and deep break. Feels offering well to create hard snap. Can hold onto ball too long when throwing curve, but grades as a plus pitch. Needs to finish more centered with body for consistent command of offering. Average command. Future swing and miss out-pitch at the major league level. 86-87 mph changeup presently grades as fringe-average-to-average. Shows arm-side fade, but needs to create more deception and consistency when throwing it. Arm speed varies from fastball. Potential to become a solid-average-to-better offering. Repeatable and loose mechanics. Downhill thrower who generates easy velocity. Can get off balance during delivery, which affects release point and command. Lands too far open towards first base at times. Second or third starter projection on a first division team.

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    http://soxprospects.com/players/barnes-matt.htm
     
  2. Back Bay

    Back Bay Member SoSH Member

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    Matt Barnes debut

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  3. Back Bay

    Back Bay Member SoSH Member

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    2nd start.

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  4. Snodgrass'Muff

    Snodgrass'Muff oppresses WARmongers Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I imagine Barnes will breeze through Greenville and earn a promotion relatively quickly. He probably won't be challenged all that much before getting to AA, but that eventual jump could take some adjustment before he starts looking good there.
     
  5. SoxScout

    SoxScout Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Goldstein
     
  6. nvalvo

    nvalvo Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    H/9: 2.7
    HR/9: 0
    BB/9: 1.8
    K/9: 14.4

    Small samples, but holy shit.
     
  7. Back Bay

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    Another start Barnes totally dominated

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  8. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

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    Barnes named SAL pitcher of the week
    http://www.milb.com/...t=.jsp&sid=t428

     
  9. Buzzkill Pauley

    Buzzkill Pauley Member SoSH Member

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    amfox1 nailed it at SoxProspects.com -- when Matsuzaka's rehab starts with Salem have ended, the Barnes era there will begin.
     
  10. ehaz

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    Wish they'd just started him at Salem. Seriously, a first round draft pick with that sort of college pedigree? That's beyond coddling, it's the same level they start Owens - who's three years younger.
     
  11. Super Nomario

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    I don't know if it really matters. If he spends half this season in Greenville and half in Salem and continues to do well, he starts 2013 in Portland where he's in a position to maybe be an option in Boston in August or so if he makes the same progress. If they push him more aggressively, maybe in the best-case scenario he's in a position to start 2013 in Pawtucket and maybe he can hit the majors a few weeks earlier. I don't see a huge difference.

    As for his pedigree, he's from a cold-weather state and the Big East isn't a terribly strong baseball conference. He also only had one excellent year at UConn. I don't think his pedigree screams "let's put this guy on the super fast-track so he can be in the majors by the end of 2012."
     
  12. RedOctober3829

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    https://twitter.com/#!/alexspeier/status/196963359436967939
     
  13. OttoC

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    Part of the thing is just getting a player acclimated to the professional life, and I suspect that starting someone off at a lower level might make it easier as there probably won't be performance-issues for the player and he can get accustomed to an abrupt change in life-style.
     
  14. TheGoldenGreek33

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    Yep. Workman and Ranaudo, both of whom had stellar NCAA careers playing against tougher competition, even started in Greenville. Ranaudo made 10 (very good) starts in the Sally last year before getting the call, so they actually moved Barnes quicker -- and some of that decision has to do with other advancement goals that aren't performance related. We just don't know. Remember when Lavarnway, 22 years old at the time, spent 400+ AB's raking in Greenville for the entirety of his first full season in 2009? Nobody understood why he hadn't been called up.
     
  15. mabrowndog

    mabrowndog Ask me about total zone...or paint Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Nice piece by the Hartford Courant's Don Amore, who was in Lakewood NJ for Matt's latest outing:

     
  16. mabrowndog

    mabrowndog Ask me about total zone...or paint Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Alex Speier on Barnes' changeup:

     
  17. alwyn96

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    Barnes! Barnes! Barnes! Barnes!

    Barnes continues to be absolutely disgusting in Salem.

    ERA 1.50
    WHIP 0.83
    IP 12
    BB 1
    K 20

    He shouldn't be in Salem long if he keeps this up. I honestly can't remember another Red Sox pitcher being this electric so soon after entering the system.
     
  18. Quintanariffic

    Quintanariffic Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  19. Sports Illustrator

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    Kid is still dominating. Portland is in his near future.
     
  20. riboflav

    riboflav Member SoSH Member

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    Can I ask a stupid question? If he is so electric and his rise since being drafted is very quick, why is his ceiling considered a number 2 SP but more likely a number 3? I guess I'm asking what is he missing that scouts don't believe he can accomplish in order to ever be a number 1 and probably not a number 2.
     
  21. LesterFan

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    I've seen people like Kevin Goldstein often mention that they rarely project anyone to be a #1 unless it's an elite, can't miss prospect like Stephen Strasburg. Also that there are only 10 or so pitchers right now that one would consider a #1, so it's a small group.

    I don't think they mean he can't ever get there, just that you have to be really, really good. A #2 isn't an insult at all.
     
  22. Snodgrass'Muff

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    I imagine if he dominated AA the same way he's dominating now, there might be some adjustments in projections for his ceiling. I don't think it's terribly likely he'll continue to dominate like this after being promoted, but if he did it would be hard not to consider the possibility of him becoming an ace type pitcher. Long way to go before that's even worth talking about, though.
     
  23. Doctuh

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    Was pulled strictly due to pitch count.. 
     
    Does anyone have an indication as to how his pitch counts will be working? I would like to go see him pitch, but not for 1 inning.
     
  24. Quintanariffic

    Quintanariffic Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Per Chris Mellen of SP, it's Sox policy to remove pitchers from the game when their pitch count exceeds 30 in one inning.  I don't anticpiate you'll run into this very often with Barnes going forward.
     
  25. Dick Pole Upside

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  26. Brianish

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    That's surprising. Considering the issues he's had with control and consistency, I was expecting them to start him in Portland again next season. Especially since we're not exactly hurting for pitching in the upper minors right now. 
     
  27. Manzivino

    Manzivino Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Barnes got a late start to the season after experiencing soreness in his throwing shoulder during Spring Training. After building up his arm strength in extended spring training he made his season debut for Pawtucket on 4/25 (boxscore, gamelog). He went 5 innings and allowed 2 runs (1 earned) on 6 hits & 2 walks while striking out 2 (both swinging); he worked around two Cecchini errors to minimize damage and also picked a runner off first. Only one of the hits went for extra bases, a double with a runner on first that set up a sac fly and the lone earned run he allowed. He earned the win in Pawtucket’s 6-2 victory over Rochester.
     
    Alex Speier’s take on Barnes’ debut:
     
     
     
    Barnes made his second start of the season on 5/1 (boxscore, gamelog). He lasted 5 innings, giving up 1 run on 2 hits and 2 walks while striking out 6 (5 swinging). He took a no-hitter into the fifth that was broken up by a leadoff double, the only extra base hit he allowed, who would score the only run Barnes surrendered on a 1-out sac fly. He had better command than in his first start, throwing 52 out of 86 pitches for strikes. He earned a no-decision in Pawtucket’s 3-2 loss to Indianapolis.
     
    Through 2 starts this year, Barnes now sits with a record of 1-0, 1.80 ERA, 8 K, 4 BB with opponents hitting 235/300/294 against him.
     
  28. Manzivino

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    Mixed results for Barnes in his last start on 5/6 against Toledo (boxscore, gamelog). He went 6 innings, allowing 2 runs on 3 hits (2 doubles) and 4 walks while striking out 4, all swinging. He also threw a wild pitch. He had a shutout through 5 with just a double and 3 walks allowed, then ran into trouble in the sixth:
     
     
     
    Pawtucket lost 4-1 with Barnes taking the decision. Despite the loss he lowered his opponents’ line to .208/.302/.283 for the season with 12 Ks and 8 BBs in 16 innings.
     
  29. Manzivino

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    Barnes had a very strong outing on 5/11 at Louisville (boxscore, gamelog). He lasted 7 innings and allowed 2 runs (both earned) on 5 hits and 1 walk while striking out 3 (2 swinging). Only one of the hits went for extra bases, a 2-out RBI double in the 4th. In fact, all of Louisville’s damage against Barnes came in the 4th:
     
     
     
     
    Outside of that 4th inning, Barnes faced the minimum – the only batter to reach, a 1-out single in the 6th, was immediately caught stealing second. He left the game with the score tied at 2 and did not factor into the decision in Pawtucket’s 3-2 win.
     
    Excerpt from Alex Speier’s writeup on Barnes after the outing:
     
     
     
    Barnes now has a season line of 23 IP, 15 K, 9 BB, 16 H, 2.35 ERA, .208/.284/.273 opponents’ line.
     
  30. Manzivino

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    Mixed results for Barnes in his latest outing on 5/16 (boxscore, gamelog). He only went 5 innings allowing 3 runs (all earned) on 7 hits and a walk. On the plus side he struck out 6 (3 swinging) and threw 62 of his 93 pitches for strikes (66.67%). 2 of the hits went for extra bases – a 1-out double in the 2nd that was stranded and a 1-out, 2-run HR in the 3rd, the first HR Barnes has allowed this year. He left in line for the loss, but took a no-decision as the PawSox rallied to take the lead in the 8th before Drake Britton blew up in the 9th and Indianapolis walked off with a 6-5 win.
     
    Barnes’ season line stands at 28 IP, 21 K, 10 BB, 23 H, 2.89 ERA, .232/.297/.323 opponents’ line.
     
  31. Manzivino

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    2 straight miserable starts (3 IP, 6 R (6 ER), 8 H (2 HR), 3 BB, 4 K on 5/22; 4.1 IP, 7 R (6 ER), 6 H (1 HR), 2 BB, 6 K on 5/27) have brought Barnes' season stats to 1-3, 35.1 IP, 31 K, 15 BB, 5.35 ERA, .276/.349/.440 opponents' line. Quite a speed bump, hopefully he'll right the ship his next time out.
     
  32. Manzivino

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    2 solid starts from Barnes in the last week to bounce back from his hiccup: a tough luck loss @Norfolk on 6/2 going 6 IP, 3 R (2 ER), 8 H, 6 K, 0 BB and his first win since his season debut at home on 6/7 going 6.2 IP, 2 R (both earned), 7 H, 3 K, 0 BB. He only allowed 2 extra base hits in the two starts (one double per game) and has allowed just 2 BBs in his last 17 innings. Season stats now at 2-4, 48 IP, 40 K, 15 BB, 4.69 ERA, 3.62 FIP, .280/.333/.409 opponent's line.
     
  33. Manzivino

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    Barnes made his first relief appearance of the season on 6/15, piggybacking on Felix Doubront's rehab start. Barnes came on in the 6th and pitched 3 shutout innings, allowing just 3 hits (all singles) and a HBP while striking out 2 and walking none. Season stats now at 2-4, 51 IP, 42 K, 15 BB, 4.41 ERA, 3.57 FIP, .278/.332/.399 opponent's line.
     
  34. Manzivino

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    Bumpy start for Barnes on 6/21. He lasted just 5 innings in Pawtucket's 4-0 loss at Scranton/WB, allowing 4 R (all earned) on 8 hits and 1 BB while striking out 2. Only one hit went for extra bases but he struggled to miss bats. Season stats now at 2-5, 56 IP, 44 K, 16 BB, 4.66 ERA, 3.52 FIP, .285/.336/.398 opponent's line.
     
  35. Manzivino

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    Solid bounceback start for Barnes on 6/26, if short. He went 5.2 innings in Pawtucket's 7-3 win over Norfolk, allowing 2 R (both earned) on 5 hits (1 solo  HR, 4 singles) and 3 BBs while striking out 5 (all swinging). He hit a season high in pitches (102) and made it 5 straight starts where he's thrown at least 62.5% of his pitches for strikes. Season stats now at 3-5, 61.2 IP, 49 K, 19 BB, 4.52 ERA, 3.69 FIP, .281/.336/.397 opponent's line.
     
  36. Manzivino

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    Inconsistency continues to be the story of the season for Barnes as he had another rough outing on 7/2. He lasted just 3.1 innings in Pawtucket's 8-7 loss to Norfolk, allowing 4 R (all earned) on 6 hits (including a 2B, a 3B, and a solo HR) and 3 BBs while striking out 2 and throwing just 46 of his 83 pitches for strikes. Season stats now at 3-6, 65 IP, 74 H, 51 K, 22 BB, 4.85 ERA, 3.94 FIP, .287/.345/.419 opponent's line.
     
  37. Manzivino

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    Barnes tiptoed through the tulips to pick up the win on 7/7 while struggling to throw strikes, allowing 1 ER in 5 innings and working around 5 hits (1 2B) and 5 BB while striking out 2 (1 swinging). Season stats now at 4-6, 70 IP, 79 H, 53 K, 27 BB, 4.63 ERA, 4.04 FIP, .287/.353/.415 opponent's line.
     
  38. Manzivino

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    Barnes' struggles continued on 7/12, allowing 7 R (6 earned) in 4.2 IP on 9 hits and 4 BBs while striking out 4 (all swinging). Season stats now at 4-7, 74.2 IP, 88 H, 57 K, 31 BB, 5.06 ERA, 4.04 FIP, .297/.366/.422 opponent's line.
     
  39. Manzivino

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    Solid outing from Barnes on 7/22 at Syracuse, retiring the first 10 batters he faced and allowing 2 R (both earned) over 6.1 innings on 3 hits (2 doubles) and 3 walks while striking out 2 (1 swinging). Season stats now at 5-7, 81 IP, 91 H, 59 K, 34 BB, 4.89 ERA, 4.04 FIP, .287/.357/.423 opponent's line.
     
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  41. nvalvo

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    Just bumping this to note that we're now through Matt Barnes' pre-arb years.

    He's been worth 1.9 bWAR in his career: an even 250 IP of 3.61 FIP. More than half of that was accrued this year, as he's improved his K/9 to an eye-popping 14. But we should also consider his considerable postseason contribution: 10.1 IP, in which he allowed a single ER, 6 walks, 6 hits, while striking out 10.

    It's hard to be a successful first round pick if you don't last as a starter, but this guy was just a huge piece of a championship pitching staff. Nice work, Matt Barnes.
     
  42. InsideTheParker

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    Hear, hear! I was thinking how good he'd been while watching bits of some post-season games today. It seemed as though he'd been gone a long time with hip pain, so I was surprised at how impressive he was.
     
  43. RIrooter09

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    My mother in law used to ride the train to and from Manhattan with Matt's mom. I remember her telling me in 2011 that her friend's son had been drafted by the Sox. Glad to see a fellow UConn alum make good.
     
  44. Jim Ed Rice in HOF

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    Funny, I was at a bar at the MSP airport last night talking to a guy whose son had been on the UConn baseball team and Matt is going to be in his son's wedding. He was saying his future daughter in law wanted a fall wedding but the potential conflict Matt may have with being in an October wedding. We both agreed that November is still Fall.
     

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