It depends on the team. A championship contender or team that wants to make playoff noise should take Rozier, and anyone early in the rebuilding cycle should clearly take Fultz imo. Sometimes you can overthink these things.
As is. So yeah, factoring in contracts and everything else.
I may look really dumb in a few months but I'd still probably say no here (although it's definitely a lot closer if contracts are excluded). It's going to take some really dramatic improvement from Fultz to be a useful player and I remain bearish on him getting there in the short term.
I don't think saying no is about binkie only that Williams has the potential to fill a nice role over the next couple years while Fultz, even if he was better, would be behind 4 other guards.
Well, it's right after the draft so it is prime binkie season. I don't think it's all about the binkie, though. Right now is the honeymoon period for Williams so I'm sure it plays some part. I mean, I'm not even sure what I would do if offered the deal straight up (ignoring the salary cap rules). It's a special case.
If someone maxes Smart and the contracts are taken out of the picture then yeah I gamble on the upside. But behind Smart and Rozier it's kind of a tough sell vs someone who clearly fills a gap.
This shit passes no smell test, this guy claimed this was to move up to draft porter. Who... They passed on at 10. So no.
Fultz for me. I think the videos and info from hanlen coming out are encouraging, and for whatever reason everyone is determined to ignore.
Regarding the Porter trade specifically, perhaps. But as to the reports that the Sixers have made it known he’s available, Pompey seems pretty plugged in, and he’s citing “multiple league sources”, so there’s some smoke there.
No one on the Sixers roster is untouchable except Embiid, and maybe Simmons. Of course Fultz has been discussed with other teams. Pompey needs something more specific than that to claim he’s got a scoop.
We are in the age of clickbait and retweets. The Pompey report resembles something a Celtics writer would leak as a "scoop" that Ainge is on the phones looking to move up in the draft. Well yeah no sh*t sherlock.
In this scenario, BOS would never resign Smart if they had Fultz for # 27, so there would be no tax concerns
No in this made-up scenario, assume Smart goes somewhere else.
I understand he wouldn’t be in the trade. But I’d MICH rather have the 27 pick and Marcus Smart then Fultz and it’s not that close.
It’s just not worth losing a player off your roster plus Williams for Fultz. And that’s the trickle down effect due to Fultzs enhanced salary.
I think the question assumes that Smart signs somewhere else first. So would you do RWill plus filler for Fultz after that point?
Pompey is utter trash. He's the guy who leaks the maybe we should keep colangelo stuff etc. He's scum.
"Clearly" okay.
No, I think we do. He’s clearly not the type of guy Ainge Targets. Doesn’t mean he won’t be good, but culturally he’s not a fit.
Based on his yips I assume this is?
I feel like theres an assumption here that the trade down was because Ainge didnt like Fultz. But it really just reflects the perceived difference between Fultz and Tatum. Maybe he just liked Tatum that much.
I don't really agree with this line of thought. From Day One when we won the top pick in that draft Ainge never mentioned Fultz by name only saying how "we'll see" and "there are several great young prospects", etc etc. He could have done nothing but tout all of Fultz' strengths and STILL have drafted Tatum or traded down for him. Even followijg his workout with the Celtics Fultz immediately scheduled workouts with other teams which doesn't happen unless his camp knew Boston was not drafting him......and they certainly aren't going to share this info but I'm sure the Fultz camp quickly figured out something wasn't right.
I agree with everything you're saying, but it's weird to me that Ainge would show his hand like that. The threat that he'd draft Fultz was the only thing that made Colangelo trade up. I understand not giving a #1 promise to Fultz, but why not show interest to increase the trade price.
You are the most defensive poster I’ve ever seen. Would you say Fultz has the dog mentality that Ainge clearly values? Nothing to do with depression or yips.
Other teams could have been trying to trade up to #1 outside of Philly. Ainge doesn't have to show interest in Fultz as long as 2 GMs are.
By threatening to go elsewhere with his pick, he gave LA a shot at picking up Fultz, forcing Philadelphia to either trade up to get their man or get stuck with Ball.
You just said a 19 year old kid is too mentally weak for your team, knowing literally nothing about him after constantly attacking him for a year
I don’t think that’s what this particular poster was saying, but you do hear that sort of crap and it is a stupid take. Lots of folks on this site said that about Greinke, while I was thinking that overcoming depression and panic and performed by at that level just shows he’s tough.
Indeed. I really getting bored of the mental illness is weakness bullshit. It's ignorant, wrong, offensive and to pile on top that "his" guys aren't in danger of mental health issues because they are tougher. It just really annoys me.
I’d be right with you if Fultz’s condition was similar to, say, what Zack Greinke faced early in his professional career. Diseases of the brain shouldn’t be stigmatized, and we should celebrate the progress we’ve made in treating them.
Well if it's not a mental illness issue then what's the excuse for calling him mentally weak then?
Where did he write "mentally weak"? Who brought up mental illness? Who was stigmatizing it?
You know what I re read it and you're right.
I don't know. Ben Simmons has never been able to shoot, so his entire game has evolved around that fact. Have to imagine it is a far more difficult path to not take jumpers anymore when that was a staple of your game for so long.
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