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Haha Gregfan on another one of his temper tantrums.

The Flyers are a bad matchup for the Penguins and have been for years now. For some reason weverytime these two teams play neither plays any defense. Although Pitts offense is in a bit of a funk right now too.
 

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TheShynessClinic said:
 
In other parts of this board, you're not a bad poster.
 
But my god are you all the worst parts of JulE6 and mikeford in here.
 
Their inflated record against the mediocre of the mediocre Eastern Conference is entirely smoke and mirrors.  Watch them - they're old, they're soft, they're slow, they're undisicplined and most importantly, they're terribly, terribly coached.  They rely on Brooks Orpik and Rob Scuderi to play huge minutes, and they're both pylons.
 
Any team that can skate - the Flyers, the Bruins, the Leafs, the Habs, will kill them.  That's not me being JulE6 or Mikeford, it's just the truth.  This isn't a Flyers-only issue.
 

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They do have their flaws. I don't think they were always a soft team as much as I liked to think that...but now they really kind of are. Reminds me of Vancouver or Montreal, you get physical with them and they don't know how to deal with it.

Sounds weird to say but I feel like they never replaced what they lost when Max Talbot left.
 

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They do have their flaws. I don't think they were always a soft team as much as I liked to think that...but now they really kind of are. Reminds me of Vancouver or Montreal, you get physical with them and they don't know how to deal with it.

Sounds weird to say but I feel like they never replaced what they lost when Max Talbot left.
 
I'm sure you liked Scuderi totally ignoring Simmonds the entire power play.  He was wide open from the time Giroux won the faceoff.
 

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Uh, Downie? 
 
Was he just throwing head-butts there?
I think the guy is too often vilified, but he has these moments where he forgets that the goal is to win the game, like the incident you mentioned. It seems that any opponent is really missing an opportunity if "rattle him around so we can get some PP time" isn't part of the game plan. Then again, when the weekend includes twice as many Matt Read SH goals than your own PP goals, maybe it doesn't matter.
 

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I'm sure they're great fun objectively, but as a fan of either team these games are shaving multiple years off my life. Let alone playoff series between the teams.
 
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Deryk Engelland on the power play.  Come on man.
 
That was to say the least a head-scratcher. Blame it on injuries I guess...and of course it burned them.
 

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Their inflated record against the mediocre of the mediocre Eastern Conference is entirely smoke and mirrors.  Watch them - they're old, they're soft, they're slow, they're undisicplined and most importantly, they're terribly, terribly coached.  They rely on Brooks Orpik and Rob Scuderi to play huge minutes, and they're both pylons.
 
Any team that can skate - the Flyers, the Bruins, the Leafs, the Habs, will kill them.  That's not me being JulE6 or Mikeford, it's just the truth.  This isn't a Flyers-only issue.
 
The Bruins, Leafs, and Canadiens have not killed the Pens this year though... Pittsburgh's results against the non-Flyers teams you just mentioned:
 
Bruins: 1-1-1
Leafs: 2-1-0
Canadiens: 1-1-1
 
Pittsburgh is 4-3-2 against those teams overall on the season. Obviously those aren't eye popping numbers (and an incredibly SSS), but it's a 91 point pace against the top 3 teams in the Eastern Conference other than themselves. That's not bad. The Bruins, in another small sample, are on an identical pace (5-4-0) against the top three Eastern teams (Pittsburgh, Montreal, Toronto).
 
This is the definition of an overreaction:
 
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LOL what a horrible, shitty team.  If they win a game in the playoffs I will be stunned.
 
In the past 10 years, there have been just two lower seeds to sweep a first round match up. Last year #6 San Jose upset #3 Vancouver, but the Canucks topped the Sharks just 59 to 57 in regular season points, a difference of two. Also, in 2007, the #6 Rangers swept the #3 Thrashers. Again, despite winning the SE Division and earning a top-3 seed, Atlanta was actually only 5th in points that year, just ahead of the 6th seeded Rangers who trailed 97 to 94 in regular season points.
 
The Penguins are on pace for 113 points. With a 15 point edge on their closest challenger for the #2 overall seed and just 15 games to play, Pittsburgh has virtually clinched playing one of the two wild card teams (7 or 8 seed), even if they falter down the stretch. To put things into perspective, if Pittsburgh goes just 5-10-0 the rest of the way, they'll finish with 102 points. The Flyers would have to end 12-2-1 with non-shootout wins to pass them. Columbus would need to go 13-2-0 and hope at least one of Pittsburgh's wins came via the shootout. The Rangers would need to go 13-0-0.  A perfect record for Washington, New Jersey, or Carolina wouldn't help hit that relatively low benchmark of 102 points for Pittsburgh. History does not suggest that a top-2 team in the conference is likely to get swept. The fact that you'd be stunned to see Pittsburgh even win a game against a wild card team is ridiculous.
 

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Saying they won't win a game was me being a reactionary loser but I would be surprised if they got out of the first round, whether it's Philly or Detroit or Montreal or somebody of that ilk.  They play well against Washington so I guess then they might be okay.
 
They got extremely fortunate the Islanders' goaltenders played so poorly in the first round last year, or there's little doubt in my mind they would have bounced the Penguins, and that team was much, much better and deeper than this year's team.  I thought the Islanders were the better team in every game except 1 and 5.
 
The roster is very top heavy, and is very capable of being neutralized by good defensive centers.  The bottom six contributes little outside of killing penalties, which the Flyers exposed over the weekend.
 

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Far be it from me to defend a Penguins fan, but aren't people allowed to be ridiculous and over-reactionary in a game thread?
 
Also, this weekend was delightful, fuck the Penguins and I hope they all die.
 

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Far be it from me to defend a Penguins fan, but aren't people allowed to be ridiculous and over-reactionary in a game thread?
 
Also, this weekend was delightful, fuck the Penguins and I hope they all die.
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I want this on my tombstone.
 
I'm not going to get all giddy over it. The Pens really have been decimated by injuries, I'm just glad the Flyers got the chance to kick them when they're down. It will be interesting to see how they do in the playoffs, there's a great chance they face a really tough opponent in the first round. Rangers or Flyers would really give them trouble.
 

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Giroux is a monster. I know they won the gold and all, but I still hold to my theory that Yzerman and the others selecting that team hit the crack pipe hard. Whatever the case, their decision is the Flyers' reward. I love a motivated...um, who did we draft again?
 

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Jaro Halak was dynamite for the Caps tonight. He had 43 saves on 45 shots against Anaheim on the road. It's nice to finally be able to say for the Caps, too.
 
Surprise, surprise: Ovechkin had the GWG on the powerplay. Ovechkin also had what would have been a very nice "third assist" on the Caps' other PPG with a great cross ice look to make the play happen. Huge win for the Caps and a great start to their California road trip.
 

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Carolina was outshot 19-0 in the 3rd period last night but hung on to win 3-1. Dobbie had 46 saves.
 
Florida was outshot 29-2 in the 3rd period last night but hung on to win 3-2. Luongo had 52 saves.
 
Crazy. Nice defense guys.
 

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Jaro Halak was dynamite for the Caps tonight. He had 43 saves on 45 shots against Anaheim on the road. It's nice to finally be able to say for the Caps, too.
 
Surprise, surprise: Ovechkin had the GWG on the powerplay. Ovechkin also had what would have been a very nice "third assist" on the Caps' other PPG with a great cross ice look to make the play happen. Huge win for the Caps and a great start to their California road trip.
I think with a good goalie, Washington has become a very dangerous team.
 

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I think with a good goalie, Washington has become a very dangerous team.
 
It's possible, but I wouldn't hold your breath. They rely so heavily on the powerplay that the easiest way to neutralize Washington is to simply not take penalties. An incredible powerplay and stellar goaltending can certainly steal you games though. At this point, the biggest boost Washington is likely to get is from the hopeful return of Mikhail Grabovski. Grabo has perhaps been Washington's best 5-on-5 player this season, which is not coincidentally the Caps' biggest weakness. Also, the player centering Alex Ovechkin right now? Jay Beagle. Lines as of last game:
 
Johansson - Beagle - Ovechkin
Kuznetsov - Backstrom - Brouwer
Chimera - Fehr - Ward
Penner - Wellman - Wilson
 
The third line has been phenomenal this season. The fourth line is fine and play a limited role anyway (moving Beagle back there doesn't hurt, either). Having Backstrom on the second line is a luxury, and Kuznetsov has been a nice add, though he's still a bit raw. But, they're missing punch on that top line, which isn't going to help Ovechkin's 5-on-5 play at all. A hot Halak/Holtby and a healthy Grabovski could certainly make Washington a tougher out, but they're still prone to disappearing too often. There isn't consistency, and almost certainly not enough to win 16 games. I'm not a believer yet, but adding Grabo to center one of the top 2 lines would give me hope.
 
Next year's team, in my opinion, could/should be much better. They're only losing Halak, Penner, and Grabovski to UFA. Halak is replaced by top goalie prospect Grubauer and Holtby in net, Penner hasn't played a significant role in DC, and Grabovski is a strong re-sign candidate. He's missed almost a third of the season anyway, so re-signing him would be an addition in some ways. Laich hasn't been healthy either and could be a buyout candidate or virtual addition if he can come back healthy. They'll have a full season of Kuznetsov and an NHL-adjusted Wilson and Carrick (a pair of 19-year-olds). They'll also have ~$13.5m in cap space (~$18m if they buyout Laich).
 
The big question: is there anyone worth adding that wants to come play in DC? Washington is not known for landing big free agents. I believe the only current players on the Caps to have signed as a free agent with Washington from somewhere else are Grabovski, Ward, Hillen, and Erskine. That's not an eye popping group. Over the past 10 years, I believe this is a pretty inclusive list of the "top" free agents Washington has signed: an aging Tomas Vokoun on a one-year make good deal, an old Roman Hamrlik/Mike Knuble/Brendan Morrison/Andrew Cassels, and Donald Brashear... Robert Lang, back in 2002, was probably the biggest free agent sign Washington has had dating back to at least that year.
 

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That's pretty amazing actually. I knew they weren't exactly the Rangers or Leafs, but I figured they'd have dipped into the UFA pool a little more than that. 
 
I feel like the Caps have a whole lot of "middle 6" type forwards; you look at that roster and outside of #8 nobody really scares you. They're a better team with Grabo healthy, but they still seem to be missing that secondary weapon since Semin left. Not that they were wrong to move on from him, but they need that other goal scorer. And a center. And maybe another D-man who's good in his own end. 
 
I wonder if Kesler would waive for the Caps...I feel like he'd be a good fit.
 

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That's pretty amazing actually. I knew they weren't exactly the Rangers or Leafs, but I figured they'd have dipped into the UFA pool a little more than that. 
 
I feel like the Caps have a whole lot of "middle 6" type forwards; you look at that roster and outside of #8 nobody really scares you. They're a better team with Grabo healthy, but they still seem to be missing that secondary weapon since Semin left. Not that they were wrong to move on from him, but they need that other goal scorer. And a center. And maybe another D-man who's good in his own end. 
 
I wonder if Kesler would waive for the Caps...I feel like he'd be a good fit.
 
You're forgetting Backstrom. Backstrom and Ovechkin are world class forwards. But then you're right, they do have a lot of middle line talent that isn't quite 1st line material or truly high scoring since Semin left. Evgeny Kuznetsov may be the guy who is the next legitimate 1st liner in Washington. I am certainly hopeful of that, at least. I believe Wilson is going to be a good top-6 player as well -- he's known for his bruising hits but he has legitimate skill as well. Burakovsky is another prospect who can hopefully make the leap for fall of 2015.
 
The Caps' biggest needs (IMHO) going into the off season are a 2C (whether Grabovski, Kesler, Stastny, or whoever) who can add consistent offense, a top-4 LH defenseman (Nikitin?), and maybe a winger to add secondary scoring depending on how they feel about Kuznetsov/Johansson/Wilson and their 2014-15 roles. I think Wilson needs top-9 minutes, but unless they trade one of Brouwer or Ward, it's hard to see where he fits since Ovechkin isn't going anywhere. I personally would have Brouwer on the block and Laich either available (if any takers) or bought out. That would help to clear some of the log jam of the 2nd/3rd liner types. My pipe dream has Vanek (and Nikitin) joining the Caps, though Oates isn't keen on guys playing their off wing.
 
Kuznetsov - Grabovski - Ovechkin
Vanek - Backstrom - Wilson
Chimera - Johansson/Fehr - Ward
Wellman - Beagle - Latta
 

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Ranger may have turned into it a little bit but that's an awful hit. Especially with 4 seconds left in the period. 4-5 games.
 

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Good one on NBCSN tonight, St. Louis @ Chicago. I'd love to see a playoff series between these two 2 months from now. 
 

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Joel Quenneville has 699 wins entering tonight's game against the Blues (one of his former teams).

That is a shit ton of wins, trailing only Scotty Bowman (shit ton X 2) and Al Arbour.

I had no idea Quenneville was third all-time in coaching wins. Incredible.
 

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Reasons why I don't think its suspendable:
 
1) the puck drastically changes motion because of a dead bounce of the boards.  Before the bounce, it looked as if Ranger was going to take the puck on his forehand and Killorn was going to aggressively forecheck him in pursuit.  Killorn had his shoulder forward in an attempt to put a good check on Ranger's shoulder as he turned to take the puck behind the goalie. 
 
2) Once the puck dies on the boards, Ranger ackwardly changes direction.  His left shoulder turns away from Killorn, and puts his back directly into Killorn's shoulder.  In addition, he does not have sure footing because of the sudden change and reaction. 
 
That is the bigger factor in the situation that caused the injury, I think, not any targetting or overaggresion by Killorn.
 

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The Ranger hit is going to be a tough one for Shanny's office. I'm not sure that'll wind up being a suspension. Ranger looked over his shoulder, saw Killorn coming, put on the breaks and made a quick pivot to the left. Killorn didn't really alter his path or go out of his way to get Ranger. Ranger's quick and sudden change of direction doesn't give Killorn free reign to finish through Ranger's numbers so absolutely worthy of a penalty, but I'm not sure I'd suspend him. 
 

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The more I look at it the lower I go. But I think he'll still wind up with 2 or 3. It's outcome based after all.
 

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You're forgetting Backstrom. Backstrom and Ovechkin are world class forwards. But then you're right, they do have a lot of middle line talent that isn't quite 1st line material or truly high scoring since Semin left. Evgeny Kuznetsov may be the guy who is the next legitimate 1st liner in Washington. I am certainly hopeful of that, at least. I believe Wilson is going to be a good top-6 player as well -- he's known for his bruising hits but he has legitimate skill as well. Burakovsky is another prospect who can hopefully make the leap for fall of 2015.
 
The Caps' biggest needs (IMHO) going into the off season are a 2C (whether Grabovski, Kesler, Stastny, or whoever) who can add consistent offense, a top-4 LH defenseman (Nikitin?), and maybe a winger to add secondary scoring depending on how they feel about Kuznetsov/Johansson/Wilson and their 2014-15 roles. I think Wilson needs top-9 minutes, but unless they trade one of Brouwer or Ward, it's hard to see where he fits since Ovechkin isn't going anywhere. I personally would have Brouwer on the block and Laich either available (if any takers) or bought out. That would help to clear some of the log jam of the 2nd/3rd liner types. My pipe dream has Vanek (and Nikitin) joining the Caps, though Oates isn't keen on guys playing their off wing.
 
Kuznetsov - Grabovski - Ovechkin
Vanek - Backstrom - Wilson
Chimera - Johansson/Fehr - Ward
Wellman - Beagle - Latta
 
You're right, I (sort of) forgot about Backstrom. I had this idea in my head that he'd gone into some kind of decline, but looking at him he continues to be a point a game guy with a ton of assists. This while not playing with Ovechkin. Of course he's -19 while putting up 68 points, so he sucks.
 
I didn't realize Oates didn't like playing guys on their off-wing. Kind of unfortunate since I feel like you could put together a nice line with Ovechkin on the left and trying Wilson on the right being physical and crashing the net. And generally speaking good LWs seem to be a bit harder to come by vs. RWs. 
 
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Paul Ranger got smashed into the boards headfirst by Alex Killorn, and he's been down for a while. Moving his legs. Stretcher.
 

 
 
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Intermission's nearly half over.
 
 
Awful hit on a guy who's battled a crapload of injuries. 
 
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Joel Quenneville has 699 wins entering tonight's game against the Blues (one of his former teams).

That is a shit ton of wins, trailing only Scotty Bowman (shit ton X 2) and Al Arbour.

I had no idea Quenneville was third all-time in coaching wins. Incredible.
 
They mentioned on a recent Hawks broadcast that Quenneville was 3rd all time in coaching victories, and I was actually shocked to hear that. Not a surprise that he's been a successful coach; I remember thinking that he and teammate Dave Tippett were pretty smart players who could coach when they were done playing, and both obviously have. But that number was a huge surprise.
 

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The Ranger hit is going to be a tough one for Shanny's office. I'm not sure that'll wind up being a suspension. Ranger looked over his shoulder, saw Killorn coming, put on the breaks and made a quick pivot to the left. Killorn didn't really alter his path or go out of his way to get Ranger. Ranger's quick and sudden change of direction doesn't give Killorn free reign to finish through Ranger's numbers so absolutely worthy of a penalty, but I'm not sure I'd suspend him. 
 
It almost looked like Ranger realized how close Killorn was and tried to kind of deke him a little to give himself a bit more time. I think they end up suspending him but I agree I'm not sure if I would either.
 

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You're right, I (sort of) forgot about Backstrom. I had this idea in my head that he'd gone into some kind of decline, but looking at him he continues to be a point a game guy with a ton of assists. This while not playing with Ovechkin. Of course he's -19 while putting up 68 points, so he sucks.
 
I didn't realize Oates didn't like playing guys on their off-wing. Kind of unfortunate since I feel like you could put together a nice line with Ovechkin on the left and trying Wilson on the right being physical and crashing the net. And generally speaking good LWs seem to be a bit harder to come by vs. RWs.
 
For what it's worth, Backstrom has centered Ovechkin for over half the season. Though, considering how little they've produced together at 5-on-5, I'm not sure that's even relevant. Still, we're talking about a 26-year-old who has been at a point per game for his career (483 points in 483 games). There's only six active players in the NHL over 500 points at a point per game: Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Jagr, Selanne, Spezza. Backstrom is in elite company.
 
As for Oates, he damn near refuses to play guys on their off wing. Oates is the reason Ovechkin is no longer a LW and he wouldn't let 11-year NHL vet Martin Erat play on his normal RW. Oates is very particular about having handedness of defensemen match up as well, further emphasizing Washington's need for a LH shooting defenseman.
 

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Just noticed that old [Providence] Bruins friend Michael Hutchinson is backing up in Winnipeg tonight. He's still waiting to make his NHL debut.
 

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With Chicago up 4-0 on St. Louis in the third, it looks like Ryan Miller's streak of being unbeaten in regulation for the Blues will end tonight. In his first 8 games there, Miller went 7-0-1 with a 1.61 GAA and .933 SV%.
 

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Waiting for the Post game/nhl tonight to start to find out more, but aparrently Patrick Kane will be out 2+ weeks with an injured something. 
 

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Joel Quenneville has 699 wins entering tonight's game against the Blues (one of his former teams).

That is a shit ton of wins, trailing only Scotty Bowman (shit ton X 2) and Al Arbour.

I had no idea Quenneville was third all-time in coaching wins. Incredible.
 
Assuming Chicago makes the playoffs this year (a lock), Quenneville coached NHL teams will have made the playoffs in 16 of 17 seasons. The only miss would be the '06-'07 Avalanche who finished with 95 points and just one point out of the playoffs. That's impressive.
 
Another guy who flies a bit under the radar is Bruce Boudreau. He was the fastest NHL coach to both 200 and 300 wins. Dan Bylsma beat his pace to 200 wins last year, and is on track to be fastest to 300 wins as well. Considering Bylsma's age (43), as long as he stays in the coaching game for a while, he should end up extremely high on the all-time coaching wins list. Other than Bruins coach Tom Johnson (just three seasons, 1970-73), Bylsma and Boudreau have the best winning percentage of all time.
 

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The thing about Bylsma is... he ain't gonna have Crosby and Malkin for his entire career.
 
I guess I'm just amazed about Quenneville's consistency... averages 43 wins a year for each full season he's coached with StL, COL, and CHI.
 
His Blues teams had McInnis and Pronger, but he only had Hull for one season.  His Avalanche teams had Sakic, and this Hawks team obviously has Kane, Toews, Hossa, etc.
 
Also, from a quick scan of rosters, Quenneville's never had an elite G on any of his teams.
 
It is arguable, but you could say that until the past couple of years he's never had the talent depth on his teams that Bylsma's enjoyed in Pittsburgh.
 
Just find it really interesting...
 

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The thing about Bylsma is... he ain't gonna have Crosby and Malkin for his entire career.
I agree, but as far as pure accumulation, he doesn't have to win at this rate to move up the leaderboards. He's only 43-years-old and already has 246 wins. Let's conservatively put him at 250 wins by the end of this season before he turns 44.
 
  • If Bylsma can coach for 10 more years averaging just 30 wins a year, that puts him at 550 wins. That would put him top-13 all-time based on current standings.
  • If he can win just 30 games a year for 15 seasons, that puts him at 700 wins. Just three coaches in history have reached that mark. And Bylsma's been a lot closer to 50+ wins in his career than 30. He may not always be in such a cushy position, but if he can retain the job in Pittsburgh and keep winning for even just two more years, that's another quick ~100 wins right there.
Bylsma just needs to be behind a bench at this point to sneak into the top-20 of coaching wins. If he stays on solid teams and coaches until he's close to 60, he has a real shot to be top-5.