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Machado to Padres for 10 years, 300M, opt-out halfway through

Discussion in 'MLB Discussion' started by DeadlySplitter, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. YTF

    YTF Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Not trying to pile on but seriously asking, to who? Also, we have no idea what Harper is going to get in terms of years or money.
     
  2. jon abbey

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    One thing about Machado that seems to get overlooked a lot is that he has a reasonably big split between his OPS at Camden Yards (.888) and his OPS everywhere else (.761). Neither he nor Harper are top 10 players in the game right now, MLBN just ranked them #14 and #15 respectively (https://www.mlb.com/news/top-100-mlb-players-for-2019/c-303970816).

    Their hitting FA so young helps counterbalance that some, but they both could have helped their FA case last year a lot more than they did (Harper by not taking the full season off on defense while his team fought for a playoff spot, Machado by not spiking guys for no reason and not consistently hustling in the FREAKING POSTSEASON). Given those issues, it's no wonder that both have had to wait so long for contracts they're happy with, it's a bit surprising they got them in the end but it only takes one team.
     
  3. radsoxfan

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    The fact that he received the biggest contract in sports history (likely for a very brief time) doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have gotten more with a different attitude.

    I don’t think anyone is saying he got killed for it, but I have a hard time believing that if everything was identical about Machado’s profile but he had Mookie’s attitude/off-field reputation, everything would have ended up exactly the same.

    I think more teams would have talked themselves into bidding and there is at least a reasonable chance the ultimate numbers may have been a bit (5-10%?) higher.
     
  4. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    It doesn't matter that much, but Stanton's deal was bigger ($325M), Machado's is the biggest FA deal ever (soon to be 2nd).
     
  5. bosockboy

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    Over 13 years.
     
  6. jon abbey

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    Do you think I don't know that? Not the point, there's a reason every story about this calls it the biggest FA deal ever, not the biggest contract.
     
  7. YTF

    YTF Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I sort of get the talk about Machado's attitude, but I'm still asking who would have paid him MORE. The big payroll teams weren't in on him. Boston, the Yankees and the Cubs were never seriously linked to him and the Dodgers clearly didn't want him back. There are probably at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the teams in MLB that Machado at $300 million for ten years makes no sense. IMO there is so much good young talent in baseball right now that teams are looking toward spending money to try to lock some of these guys up before the hit free agency. There has been a shift in the game.
     
  8. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Member SoSH Member

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    Maybe if his attitude wasn’t so shitty, the Yankees or Dodgers would have been more inclined to offer him something like 10/320 or whatever? Would he not be more desirable if he had the personal makeup of a guy like Mookie Betts?

    Maybe teams like the Yankees thought his attitude and lack of hustle made him a risk to the development of their younger players.
     
  9. Lowrielicious

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    The question really is WHY weren’t they in on him.
    Boston was never going to be given devers and payroll, but the others not necessarily.
    It’s not that hard to imagine that at least one of them ruled him out on attitude/character grounds.
    Obviously it may not be the case, but it’s certainly possible and we (ie the public) will likely never know for sure.
     
  10. YTF

    YTF Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I've no doubt there are certain teams that prefer he wasn't around some of their young core, but teams like the Yankees that aren't lacking in offense seem to be choosing to spend on multiple areas of need. Paxton, Happ, Sabathia, Britton, Ottavino and LeMahiue all fill greater needs.
     
  11. crow216

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    By literally no accounts, except fans, were they out because of Steinbrenner.
     
  12. crow216

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    I think Jon and I differ in opinion on this but I believe Cashman and Steinbrenner view the Yankees as a nearly finished product. Adding finishing touches might include an extra arm or a defensive third baseman but I just don’t think the value Machado has to most teams was the same that he might have had for the Yankees. So, with potential attitude issues, why risk a mostly finished product at $300m? With that in mind, they could either let Machado come to them or move on and re-assess the Arenado market. If Andujar is most of the offensive player he was last year and improves his defense, he’s either an unbelievable trade asset or our problem solves itself.
     
  13. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    Doesn’t all this attitude talk not take into account the fact that Machado’s attitude could conceivably affect his on field play unlike guys like Chapman’s attitude which only affects how they treat women?
     
  14. Ford Frick's Asterisk

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    Really? Last I checked, MLB doesn't hand out 30-game suspensions for spiking a player or failing to hustle to first base. If Chapman has another occurrence of "attitude", his team will probably be without his services for a half-season.

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  15. edoug

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    He should get some punishment. Obviously not as long as the penalties for violence towards women would get but something.
     
  16. JohntheBaptist

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    I think any potential issue is less the perceived "attitude" and more a propensity for really losing his cool on the field and doing embarrassing and uncommonly violent things with relatively minor provocation. He threw a bat at a player, spiked a guy for no good reason in the playoffs, (debatably) tried to injure Pedroia. If NY thought "we're willing to deal with the risks on that for X but not Y" and he wanted Y so they just moved on, I don't think it was because he was a pinhead and admitted he didn't hustle instead of just talking around it and continuing on like 70% of the league not running hard on sure outs.

    The "attitude" didn't cost him a dime, the blatantly dirty approach maybe means the highest bid was more likely to come from a team further down his list.
     
  17. Flunky

    Flunky Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    this is a thing of beauty. thank you!
     
  18. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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    Tony Mazz will never accept this excuse.
     

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