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Couperin47

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Bleedred said:
This one?:

ThinkPad T440s

Part number: 20AQCTO1WW (PF0060CZ-20AQCTO1WW)


• Intel® Core™ i5-4200U processor (2 cores, 1.60GHz, 3MB cache)

• Windows 8 Professional 64 - English

• 14.0" FHD (1920 X 1080) LED backlight, IPS w/720p HD Camera

• Intel HD Graphics 4400

• 4GB PC3-12800 1600MHz DDR3L / soldered to systemboard and 4 GB PC3-12800 DDR3L SDRAM 1600MHz SODIMM Memory

• 256GB SATA 2.5" Solid State Drive

• No Optical Included

• Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260, Wi-Fi + Bluetooth combo

• No Bluetooth

• 1 Year Standard Depot Warranty

• UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader

• Integrated 3-cell (23.5Wh) plus External 3-cell Lithium Ion (23.5Wh) up to 8.4 hr
 
There's an identical laptop with 256 Gig SSD AND 12 Gig of ram for the same price.. don't understand why you keep missing that... Part number: PF003HG9-20AQCTO1WW
 
Home this link works http://outlet.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/outlet_us/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?hide_menu_area=true&GroupID=445&Code=PF003HG9-20AQCTO1WW
 

Bleedred

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nkPad T440s

This is the Part # you posted, but where is the 12 Gig of RAM?
20AQCTO1WW (PF003HG9-20AQCTO1WW)


• Intel® Core™ i5-4200U processor (2 cores, 1.60GHz, 3MB cache)

• Windows 8 Standard 64 - English

• 14.0" FHD (1920 X 1080) MultiTouch LED backlight, IPS w/720p HD Camera

• Intel HD Graphics 4400

• 4GB PC3-12800 1600MHz DDR3L / soldered to systemboard and 8 GB PC3-12800 DDR3L SDRAM 1600MHz SODIMM Memory

• 256GB SATA 2.5" Solid State Drive

• No Optical Included

• Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260, Wi-Fi + Bluetooth combo

• No Bluetooth

• 1 Year Standard Depot Warranty

• UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader

• Integrated 3-cell (23.5Wh) plus External 6-cell Lithium Ion (72Wh) up to 16.8 hr
 

Couperin47

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Bleedred said:
nkPad T440s

This is the Part # you posted, but where is the 12 Gig of RAM?
20AQCTO1WW (PF003HG9-20AQCTO1WW)


• Intel® Core™ i5-4200U processor (2 cores, 1.60GHz, 3MB cache)

• Windows 8 Standard 64 - English

• 14.0" FHD (1920 X 1080) MultiTouch LED backlight, IPS w/720p HD Camera

• Intel HD Graphics 4400

• 4GB PC3-12800 1600MHz DDR3L / soldered to systemboard and 8 GB PC3-12800 DDR3L SDRAM 1600MHz SODIMM Memory

• 256GB SATA 2.5" Solid State Drive

• No Optical Included

• Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260, Wi-Fi + Bluetooth combo

• No Bluetooth

• 1 Year Standard Depot Warranty

• UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader

• Integrated 3-cell (23.5Wh) plus External 6-cell Lithium Ion (72Wh) up to 16.8 hr
 
There is more than one with that part jnumber, here's the page with the exact one I mean: http://outlet.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/outlet_us/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?hide_menu_area=true&GroupID=445&Code=PF003HG9-20AQCTO1WW
 

Couperin47

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Bleedred said:
Ordered! Thank you
 
Even done as cheaply as possible, aftermarket, going from a 128 Gig SSD to a 256 and from 4 Gig of memory to 12 would cost you at least $120-140 additional, good deal have no idea why they didn't price this one higher but it was a no-brainer. Now It comes with Win 8, if you're more comfortable with the look and feel of Win7 or even XP... download Classic Shell (free open source) and in a few minutes you can have it looking and acting like what you know...including whatever version of a real Start menu you like.
 

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Awesome. When I receive the machine, I may be checking back here. I really appreciate your sticking with me, it's been a huge help.
 

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OK, here's what I can get for a shade under $400 from Dell (Inspiron 15). What features am I missing out on for this low price?
 
Windows 8.1 (64 bit)
4GB Single Channel DDR3 1600 MHz (4GBx1)
500GB 5400rpm SATA hard drive
Intel HD Graphics 4400
Tray load DVD drive (reads and writes to DVD/CD)
15.6 inch LED Backlit Display with Truelife and HD resolution (1366 x 768)
Dell Wireless-N + Bluetooth 4.0
40 WHr, 4-cell battery
 
Externally Accessible
(2) USB 3.0 + (2) USB 2.0 
RJ45 Ethernet
HDMI™ v1.4aCombination headphone/microphone jack
Kensington Security Lock
AC Power In

Multi-media Card Reader
Digital (SD) Memory Card
Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC)
Secure Digital Extended Capacity (SDXC) with UHS 50MB/Sec
Memory Stick (MS)
Memory Stick PRO (MS Pro)
Memory Stick XC (MSXC)
Multi Media Card (MMC)
Multi Media Card plus (MMC+) Supported in MMC compatibility mode only

Dimensions & Weight
Width: 376mm (14.8)
Height: 24.9mm (0.98) front / 25.3mm (1.0) rear with 4-cell/40 WHr battery 
Depth: 259mm (10.2)
Starting weight of 2.25 kg (4.96 lbs) with 4-cell/40 WHr battery
 

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maufman said:
OK, here's what I can get for a shade under $400 from Dell (Inspiron 15). What features am I missing out on for this low price?
 
Windows 8.1 (64 bit)
4GB Single Channel DDR3 1600 MHz (4GBx1)
500GB 5400rpm SATA hard drive
Intel HD Graphics 4400
Tray load DVD drive (reads and writes to DVD/CD)
15.6 inch LED Backlit Display with Truelife and HD resolution (1366 x 768)
Dell Wireless-N + Bluetooth 4.0
40 WHr, 4-cell battery
 
Externally Accessible
(2) USB 3.0 + (2) USB 2.0 
RJ45 Ethernet
HDMI™ v1.4aCombination headphone/microphone jack
Kensington Security Lock
AC Power In

Multi-media Card Reader
Digital (SD) Memory Card
Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC)
Secure Digital Extended Capacity (SDXC) with UHS 50MB/Sec
Memory Stick (MS)
Memory Stick PRO (MS Pro)
Memory Stick XC (MSXC)
Multi Media Card (MMC)
Multi Media Card plus (MMC+) Supported in MMC compatibility mode only

Dimensions & Weight
Width: 376mm (14.8)
Height: 24.9mm (0.98) front / 25.3mm (1.0) rear with 4-cell/40 WHr battery 
Depth: 259mm (10.2)
Starting weight of 2.25 kg (4.96 lbs) with 4-cell/40 WHr battery
 
None really, that's a good basic laptop. It has all the features I require for a modern machine: USB 3, decent size HD. You didn't tell us the cpu, if it's any i5 you're OK, if it's the very low end Intel 950 I'd look for a similar box with a better cpu, shouldn't be much more. Does it include a built-in cam? Some wouldn't be happy without that if they do a lot of Skyping from their laptop. It has a free ram slot and I'd immediately add a 2nd stick.
 
The cons: Overall build of the Dells is meh, average, some will wreck this machine quickly. No option to add an ssd boot...those of us who regularly live with desktop and laptops that do are generally unwilling to go back (the single biggest change in performance you can possibly make).
 
I'd do a Thinkpad Edge and spend a bit more they have several scratch/dent E531 @ $456 today, which gets you a much faster HD, a probably faster cpu, I know it has a built-in cam, the trackpoint control option, seriously better overall build and keyboard, and an mSATA port so I can add an ssd drive (admittedly another $110 aftermarket) and then it will run rings around any laptop booting from a HD, esp a 5400rpm model...
 
but I also understand that a casual user may not care about any of that and just wants the cheapest unit that covers the bases...and the one you have mentioned does that....as long as the cpu is at least an i5, otherwise it's not a great deal, you can easily do better.
 

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Sorry for my late reply. The machine spec'd above doesn't have an i5 processor -- that's about $100 more. 
 
Since it seems like I'm not going to get a decent rig for less than $500, my outlook has changed -- the gap between a bare-bones machine and something really nice is more narrow than I had expected, so maybe I'll increase my budget. And it doesn't sound like my corporate Dell deals are all that great, so I'll shop around.
 
Thanks for the insights.
 

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maufman said:
Sorry for my late reply. The machine spec'd above doesn't have an i5 processor -- that's about $100 more. 
 
Since it seems like I'm not going to get a decent rig for less than $500, my outlook has changed -- the gap between a bare-bones machine and something really nice is more narrow than I had expected, so maybe I'll increase my budget. And it doesn't sound like my corporate Dell deals are all that great, so I'll shop around.
 
Thanks for the insights.
The best deals to be had with computers is always one step below the besy , loosely speaking of course. I3 class machines are now completely commodotized and mostly settled. You conceivably could get a machine more powerful than that for cheaper because they now represent dead inventory on a retailer's shelf who makes money selling the best to people who will pay significant premiums for having the best. The home PC price/performance is a half parabola, the key is finding the PC right at the edge of the parabola where it makes that almost right turn.
 

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What's the view of Lenovo's non-Thinkpad computers for business use?  I'm in the market for a new business laptop, and I am probably going to need the number pad and larger display of a 15" screen (Thinkpad doesn't come with either).  My business is non-profit - lots of Quickbooks, mapping software, mail merges, etc.
 

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Strike4 said:
What's the view of Lenovo's non-Thinkpad computers for business use?  I'm in the market for a new business laptop, and I am probably going to need the number pad and larger display of a 15" screen (Thinkpad doesn't come with either).  My business is non-profit - lots of Quickbooks, mapping software, mail merges, etc.
 
The low end Thinkpad E540 line can be had with i3,i5 or i7 cpus, the screens are all 15.6 with either 1366x768 or better 1920x1080 resolution, the keyboard does include a full numeric keyboard, and better yet, besides a normal HD it has an M.2 2242 connector that can take a mini-SSD (similar to mSATA but an even smaller formfactor), which can be had in 128, 256 Gb and even larger sizes. Add one of those as your boot drive and you not only have a superfast laptop but you can inherently backup to the mechanical HD.
 
Available tech specs here http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/e-series/e540/#techspecs
 
as to other Lenovos, let me repeat what I just posted in the Tech Bargain thread concerning Ideapads, note other cheaper Lenovos like the 700 series use a trackpad with real mechanical switches:
 
Lenovo laptop caveat
 
ATM the Lenovo Outlet has been very quiet, only single laptops at OK but not great prices.
 
2 people I know, however, both found decent deals on "Z" series Ideapads and both reported the same 2 issues: One fixable, the other not.
 
Both laptops had i5 cpu, 8 Gig of ram and large hard drives, and were complete slugs. Fresh installs of Win 8.1 on each. At a minimum the following needed to be done to make them perform as expected.
First added Classic Shell (of course), then turned off Indexing on all drives, completely remove the McAffee trialware crap and added protection that doesn't make it run like it's in molasses, finally reset the pagefile to a fixed size (generally 100 to 150% of real ram is preferred). Now the machines responded as expected.
 
Now the problem you can't fix: Z Ideapads use a trackpad with 'virtual buttons' in the lower portion. These are poorly defined in relation to the rest of the pad, the result is erratic response, inadvertent presses and an overall twitchyness that is driving users bonkers. Add to this that there is no scroll area on this pad and overall navigation is hyper annoying. Users have looked for a fix from Synaptics (who make most trackpads in everyone's laptops) and they have replied that the design and features of this pad are baked into the firmware and Lenovo is responsible: no change in drivers or fiddling with the settings can improve this at all.
 
All of this just reinforces my predilection for Thinkpads which always offer the trackpoint option for navigation. Both my acquaintances intend to mostly use their Ideapads at home and are content to add mouse or trackball to solve the issue. You definitely want to sample an Ideapad of this sort before buying one of these.
 

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Any deals or ideas on laptops with a docking station? I have to get one for a boss and have never bought one before.
 

Couperin47

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kelpapa said:
Any deals or ideas on laptops with a docking station? I have to get one for a boss and have never bought one before.
 
Almost every laptop has an available dock or port replicator (the traditional 'dock' that you slid a whole laptop into is mostly passé these days). As an example the dock for the Thinkpad 540 mentioned in the post above is $120 and the details are here http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/itemdetails/4X10A06077/460/6D501EE899104FF9A362D739642CFC27 that's typical of what you get today. They are NEVER on sale, accessories never are, so pick your laptop and expect to pay full price for the dock/replicator.
 

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For those looking for a laptop, you might note few postings in the Tech Bargain thread lately from the Lenovo Outlet. For whatever reason, the listings there have been few for the last month and in quantities so small they vanish in minutes. That does not mean you might not find a really good buy. For reference I myself have been looking and scored the following 2 hours ago:
 
Thinkpad E531 for $414
 
i5-3230M (2.6 Ghz, Intel 4000 graphics)
15" screen
4 Gig ram
500 Gig 7200 rpm HD
DVD burner
4 in 1 card reader
Intel Centrino N2230 b/g/n wifi & BT
Gig ethernet
VGA & HDMI video out
2 USB 3.0 and 1 USB 2.0
Keyboard has full numeric keypad
 
There's not much of anything missing from this, I'll add another 4 Gig ram for $40 and eventually add an M.2 2242 120 Gig SSD as a new boot (you can get those now for $93) at that point it will rival many/most desktops.
 
A word about adding SSD boot drives to laptops like this: for past 2 years many laptops have accepted mSATA drives... these are tiny (50mm x30mm) cards that just plug in, in sizes ranging from 64Gig to 480 Gig, all at prices within $10 of full size SSD drives. Newest laptops (including most Lenovos) now include a socket for the even smaller new formfactor: First called NGFF the industry has now settled on the moniker M.2 for these. The problem is they come in 3 main sizes: all are 22mm wide but there are 42,60 and 80mm lengths. Lenovos so far only can take the smallest in a socket which is always available unless you bought a WAN card to connect via your phone data plan. hence you need an M.2 2242. Most of those cards currently are only 64 Gig and unsuitable for a boot drive. ATM there are exactly 2 120 Gig 2242 cards, both made at the same factory afaik: MyDigitalSSD and ZTC (yeah I've never heard of either of those either). They seem OK but I'll probably wait til rather better known makers ship drives... many have announced they will. Besides the tremendous increase in performance, adding these means you can image your boot drive to a 2nd drive internally which makes recovery from many disasters much easier....
 

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At the Lenovo Outlet

Lenovo Yoga11s Refurbs $476 @4:45pm on Friday they have...562
http://outlet.lenovo.com/outlet_us/itemdetails/59RF0694/445

personally not a fan of these convertibles anyway:
i5-4210Y CPU (1.9 Ghz)
Intel HD4000 graphics
4 Gig ram
11.6 Vibrant touchscreen
128 Gig SSD drive
b/g/n wifi and BT
 
this also uses a touchpad that has no mechanical switches, some of these are hard to adjust to...
 
also
 
Lenovo G700 Refurbs $371.75 @ 5 pm Friday they had 29
http://outlet.lenovo.com/outlet_us/itemdetails/59RF0577/445

Intel Pentium 2030 (dual core 2.5 Ghz)
Intel graphics (around 2000 level)
4 Gig ram
17.3 1600x900 vibrant screen
500 GB 5400 rpm HD
DVD burner

This has a touchpad with 2 real buttons, correction: it is dual corebut it's a single core cpu and vibrant screen means
glossy which is almost unusable outdoors. You want this if you want a big screen and no heavy
computational work. Also, while the screen is big, the built-in graphics are 2 generations old.
 
 
Lenovo G500s NEW $500.48 @4:45pm on Friday they have 51
http://outlet.lenovo.com/outlet_us/itemdetails/59373026/445

i5-3230M (2.6 Ghz with HD 4000 graphics)
6 Gig ram
15.6 1366x768 Touchscreen
1 Tb 5400 rpm HD
DVD burner
b/g/n wifi & BT

NOTE: touchscreen on a regular laptop is very problematical for most...just friggin awkward.
This also has the new Lenovo trackpad that has no physical buttons which people have found fairly annoying to configure...
 
 
No meaningful quantities of any Thinkpads...also in case you haven't noticed.. I ignore all offerings using AMD cpus,
they are much weaker in performance, cost slightly less and in my view are just a bad bargain these days.
 
 

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I bought my wife a Lenovo a couple weeks ago that's similar to the last one in Couper's list (edit: think it was the same exact model), for a similar price ($499 at Staples). I haven't spent enough time with it to have an overall evaluation worth sharing, but I strongly disagree with Coup's take on the touchscreen -- I find it much easier than using a trackpad or whatever. I would definitely pay a premium for that feature.