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Like Father, Like Son?

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by Otis Foster, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. Otis Foster

    Otis Foster rex ryan's podiatrist SoSH Member

    I split this off from the general discussion about Kraft's alleged involvement with the Jupiter Spa for a couple of reasons, but principally because JOnathan's succession is an issue that the NEP must face sooner or later, and my guess is it's a lot sooner today than it was same time/last week.

    As DCMissile observed in the other thread:

    Based solely on impressions and a tiny bit of inside info, Jonathan strikes me as unlike his father - certainly not a schmaltzy back-slapper, a financial type, bottom line oriented, and possibly rather rigid in his dealings with others. Much more important, I have no idea what his relationship is with either BB or TB. Will he be inclined to stay hands-off on football related issues, or is he inclined to put his own stamp on operations?

    The latter is the real risk. Right now, I think decision-making on these concerns must adhere to the physician's first credo - do no harm. It may be accelerated by the pr/marketing desire to show that it's a new day in Foxboro with a new management team and style at work.

    Some other questions: What's Gisele's take on this? Seriously? RK has been a father figure to her husband, but its likely she has very deep feelings about sexual traveling and the treatment of women in general, and I wonder if disillusionment with RK would affect TB's relationship with management.

    Anyway, I'm interested on the take others have. Mods, if this veers to closely to the other thread, please feel free to merge.
  2. lexrageorge

    lexrageorge Member SoSH Member

    I'm not sure there is much difference between Kraft Jr and Sr in how they view running the team. We do know that Jonathan is heavily involved already with day to day team operations, and he does seem to have a working relationship with Belichick.

    The Krafts still have control over the budget, and at times that will cause friction between owners and GM of any franchise. We likely saw evidence of that in 2017-18 season during the entire Brady/Garropolo episode.

    Belichick will still be given a lot of leeway. However, it is highly likely that JK will be running even more of the team's business (if not owning the team outright) when the transition occurs to Brady's successor. And Belichick the GM will be scrutinized in how he handles that transition, which we know will not be easy.

    I'm not as worried about Giselle's feelings on the whole affair. They're probably not exactly pleased, but I doubt they're naive enough to think that the other NFL owners are boy scouts when compared to Kraft.

    EDIT: I don't believe any of the nonsense that Kraft Sr will be somehow forced to give up control or sell the team. I'm sure the Krafts have a succession plan in place already, and this incident does nothing to change either the logistics or the timeframe of that transition.
  3. bakahump

    bakahump Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    *I was talking to Bakette about this. I used the "Myras death took a toll on Bob, He loved her completely, tried to hook up with a young replacement and realized he wasnt going to fall in love again and dumped her. That said he has needs/desires. Hence the situation he is in now." She looked at me sidways. But I dont think this is too far off. I have a hard time imagining that this would have happened had Myra still been alive. I have known people (men) that were completely in love....and after losing that person sex became simply a biological thing.

    *As many of us said....we were not shocked that he wanted to get some sexual companionship. Rather we were shocked/amused he got it from a strip mall.

    Who knows if this is indeed the case....but *I think most adults (Giselle included) could understand that type of situation. While they might not like it, familiarity and affinity for a person makes people overlook their flaws.

    (*All that said if underage or a situation of forced sex is discovered then all bets/explanations are off)
  4. pappymojo

    pappymojo Member SoSH Member

    I assume Giselle will see through that b.s. as easily as your own wife did.
  5. Bleedred

    Bleedred Member SoSH Member

    Some random thoughts based on my knowledge of the Kraft family from direct (business) and indirect (personal) people who interact with them.

    1. RK's wandering eye/schlong predated Myra's departure.
    2. JK has the same predilection as RK re: #1 above, I just assume he's smarter about it that his dad has been recently.
    3. JK is a very bright guy but an insufferable prick and not terribly honorable in certain lines of business (by that I mean promises not kept with regard to promises made on a handshake -- yes, woe be the person who foolishly relies on a hand shake).

    My information is about 3-5 years old, but I think it's reasonably accurate. That doesn't mean that JK cannot be a great steward of the team once he succeeds RK, but JK's historical M.O. in most areas that he works is that he's incredibly impressed with himself and thinks he's the smartest guy in the room at all times (again, he's very bright and capable, but sometimes doesn't admit that he doesn't know what he doesn't know). I worry about this with regard to BB.
  6. bakahump

    bakahump Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    I am working hard to have her outlive me. But I also told her to prep the kids if she goes first.
  7. JGray38

    JGray38 Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Yeah, I wouldn't get too far ahead of yourself trying to figure out Giselle's feelings. She comes from a culture that has very different views on sex, prostitution and infidelity than we do up here. Brazil had a president who showed up at Carnival with an under-wearless call girl a while back, and the newspapers photoshopped Brazilian flags over the upskirt shots they published.
  8. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

    There is no (mainstream) profession I can think of that objectifies and/or mistreats women like the modeling industry. And we're supposed to believe that Giselle wil be so shocked by the behavior of Bob Kraft that she's wants Tom to distance himself from him?

    Giselle wants Tom to retire because she doesn't want his brains to be any more scrambled than they are already. I don't think Bob Kraft's sex life is a consideration.
  9. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Dynastic succession is always an issue with professional sports teams in the US. They are not run like public companies. Sooner or later, we’re facing it.

    In certain respects, we are well positioned. The team has never been hotter; very talented people would line up to work for it. Jonathan has been at this for a while. For a while at least, he has Belichick.

    The stakes are high because there is no more important variable in team success than ownership. There are no guarantees, but there are several pretty clear guidelines.

    1. Know the limits of your competence and stick to them. Specifically, don’t delude yourself into thinking you can run personnel. Don’t be Daniel Snyder; be Steve Bisciotti — or Robert Kraft.

    2. Hire the very best people — and let them do their jobs. Be patient.

    3. Invest in your team, particularly the aspects that are going to have on field ramifications.

    4. Make sure the team culture is right.

    5. Watch your back with the other owners.

    This isn’t mission impossible. I don’t know whether Dan Rooney is up to Art Rooney, John Mara up to Wellington Mara. But they are good enough. What you have to avoid is a disaster.
  10. Otis Foster

    Otis Foster rex ryan's podiatrist SoSH Member

    #3 corresponds to my impressions of the guy. He better clean up his act in dealing with BB/TB.
  11. pappymojo

    pappymojo Member SoSH Member

    Not disagreeing, but it's funny that you write (paraphrasing) that 'the owner is the most important piece to a successful team' but that 'the number one rule for an owner is to get the hell out of the way and let the G.M. build the team.'
  12. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    See Snyder, Daniel and, until very recently, Angelos, Peter.

    One of the many remarkable things about Bob Kraft is before he was owner he was long time fan -- with his ass planted on the ice cold aluminum seats of Schaefer Stadium. And he seldom if ever gave into the fanboy temptation of thinking he could run the football aspects of the operation.

    The worst owners have callous contempt for professionals. They actually believe anyone can do this, or at least that they can.
  13. Otis Foster

    Otis Foster rex ryan's podiatrist SoSH Member

    "And he seldom if ever gave into the fanboy temptation of thinking he could run the football aspects of the operation."

    See Jones, Tebucky - #fanboy.

    But yes, Bob learned that lesson pretty quickly. Don't meddle with what you don't know, hire people who do. Jonathan doesn't sound like a guy who understands that.
  14. Ralphwiggum

    Ralphwiggum Member SoSH Member

    I don't know, the impression I get is that Jonathan is very involved in the day-to-day operation surrounding the Pats (business wise, not football obviously). Jonathan is on the pre-game shows and speaks for ownership on a myriad of different issues relating to players, coaches, the NFL, etc., and frankly he comes across as a lot more in command than Robert does when he gives interviews these days. Obviously who knows who does what in the Kraft organization, but I think they are as well positioned as you can possibly be in for succession when Bob finally does step aside. I've heard the stories about him being more of a prick than his father, I'm not sure if that's a net positive or net negative when it comes to navigating the politics around NFL ownership.

    Now once BB is gone all bets are off, I'm sure it is easier for the Krafts to keep their fingers out of the football side of things by reflecting on the 6 Lombardis in the trophy case. But that's going to be a risk whether it is Bob or Jonathan in charge when Bill retires.
  15. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    I completely agree with all of this. I personally think they are in perfectly fine hands. I think Jonathan has learned enough to not meddle.
  16. Pxer

    Pxer Member SoSH Member

    Saw the thread title, and my heart skipped a beat thinking Jonathan got busted, too.
  17. The Social Chair

    The Social Chair Member SoSH Member

    This probably means nothing but the players in the locker room can barely hide their contempt for Jonthan Kraft when they interact with him in those sights + sounds videos.
  18. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Petey Carroll learned from that episode too.

    What underlies your assessment of Jonathan? I was not impressed by his in-your-face stuff during Deflategate, but that doesn’t necessarily represent how he would run the team if left to his own devices. I’m not sure I have any impression of him at all.
  19. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

    Yeah, check out who we recently elected President and get back to me about how Brazilian culture is so sex positive and liberal about prostitution. We just had a congressman from the current ruling party try to pass a law to make it a crime to sell contraceptives over here.
  20. Rough Carrigan

    Rough Carrigan reasons within Reason Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Giselle made it to the top of the international modeling world. She probably knew about sleaziness, perhaps first hand, that would make Kraft look like a saint by comparison.
  21. genoasalami

    genoasalami Member SoSH Member

    Now that you say that .... Didn't Gronk give JK a "get lost prick" look when he interacted with him in the clubhouse after the KC win??
  22. The Allented Mr Ripley

    The Allented Mr Ripley holden Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    I don't think Gisele or Brady have a problem with Kraft.


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