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Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by bsj, Jul 10, 2018.
So, 2-3 games when he gets out was about right?
Technically, it wasn't even her that wrote the post. Sounds like it was a friend of hers, who really would have no reason to keep quiet any longer, about anything. "Let's not talk about all the times my best friend had to stop you from viciously beating your child"........"I can't believe you do this to my best friend!"
Lots of "we's" in there. Possibly a group of girlfriends who kept quiet about certain things, but this was the final straw.
"you had ONE JOB!"
That’s how I took it. Sounds like the friend she turned to when things went bad who had accumulated a lot of dirt and then just let the lid off when the bridge was nuked.
Still say the steroid thing is what gets him, because damn the league looks dumb if he’s been passing tests all along.
Why? Don't we all assume the majority of players are taking steroids and passing tests? And isn't that exactly how we want it?
I'd say the pistol whipping a woman gets him
It’s like when rich people cheat on each other. They get cranky when the world finds out. The NFL knows we know but it’s kinda wink and nod. If a top player gets busted with needles and oils but always pissed clean, that’s a bad look out loud.
You think the accusation that he took steroids will bring him down and not the Instagram picture of a woman who's face looks like meatloaf, that millions of people have now seen and is now national headlines?
I think if the ex or her friend took pictures of his steroids or have incriminating texts the NFL will go harder on him for that than for hitting a woman. Yes. Is that even really an open debate? What’d Hardy and Rice get?
Isn’t 6 games pretty much the automatic punishment for domestic violence that doesn’t result in a criminal conviction? I thought that was the new rule that came out of the Rice controversy. And it’s what Zeke Elliott got last year.
Of course, the court of public opinion may end up resolving this one — it’s increasingly difficult to imagine the Bills allowing McCoy to report to training camp, and if they release him, his career is effectively over.
I'm willing to give them Gillislee back for three #1's.
I *think* the "2-3 games" comment was a sarcastic reflection of the fact that the NFL doesn't care about rules, they only want to minimize publicity relating to ugly controversies. And they proved it (again) in the past couple of weeks by negotiating a suspension with Jameis Winston for 3 games even though he obviously falls into the category where he's supposed to get 6 games minimum.
Think about that for a second - they negotiated a lower suspension than called for with an individual who we now know is a serial abuser of women and a liar. And the only purpose of the "plea bargain" was to avoid airing the ugly evidence they had against him.
A reduced suspension.
The evidence from the NFL investigation sealed.
The ability to continue to insist that he is innocent.
The NFL got:
A promise that Winston would not appeal.
There are no rules or standards. The NFL just makes it up as they go along and their only interest is in "controlling the situation."
Or maybe he means something different ...
I missed the Winston story. That is epically awful.
As we learned in the Rice and Peterson cases, however, photographic evidence in the hands of the public changes everything. If the authorities in Georgia are able to identify the man who committed the assault, and he’s a friend of McCoy’s, then McCoy’s career will be over. And as with the Rice case, it won’t matter much what the NFL does, unless you’re a Bills fan and care about the cap implications.
Oh, I agree. If McCoy is proven to be behind this, he is going away for a long, long time. And, like Lawrence Phillips and Aaron Hernandez, he may never see the outside of a prison again.
I was simply explaining that I took the "2-3 games" comments as sarcasm.
I’m not sure you’re going further than me. I’m saying that if the assailant was McCoy’s friend, his career is over even if there isn’t enough evidence of McCoy’s involvement to support a criminal indictment. That’s the effect of photographic evidence in the public domain.
I hear you. But I'm precluding the possibility that a link to the attacker doesn't result in a criminal indictment or significant jail time.
What if McCoy's friend/associate/homey is identified/caught and says that McCoy put him up to it. But there's no text/email/smoking gun to prove that, and then McCoy says something to the effect of "he did it on his own because he wanted to impress/help/whatever me and man is he crazy"? Career over?
I imagine the narrative is or will be that Shady was venting to a friend and the friend wanted to ingratiate himself by recovering the items he and Delicia were feuding over.
Yes. The Bills release him; no one else will touch him.
But then you’ve got the recent attempt to evict her, the removal of the security cameras, and so on. It might not be enough to sustain a criminal indictment, but it will be enough to convince the Bills that McCoy isn’t worth the trouble, and no one else is going to pick him up.
I'm not so sure about that. There's always the Raiders...
I'm with Mauf on this one. McCoy turns 30 tomorrow. If the assaulter is linked to him in any way, I think he's done. The Bills will cut him and it would be an absolute PR nightmare for anyone else to pick him up. What team is going to stick out their necks to sign a 30 year-old player at the most fungible position in sports?
I think there's a very real chance he never sees another NFL carry.
You’re not wrong, but it remains worth pointing out that the salient fact with a Rice and McCoy seems to be their age and productivity.
It's pretty interesting if they catch the assailant. As I tried to say (poorly) above, I think if my understanding of criminal law is correct, he is going to have a very significant incentive to roll on McCoy if McCoy put him up to it. If he took it on himself to enter the house, steal, and commit assault and battery, this is life in prison type of stuff. If, on the other hand, he can come up with an argument that it wasn't actually a burglary -- that he was just part of a conspiracy to enter one of the conspirator's own houses -- he might have a chance to reduce the sentence. He can only do that by identifying McCoy.
Burglary requires an intent to steal and a breaking I believe, so if he can say he just went to a house his friend co-owned and walked through the front door and the assault and robbery occurred after he came upon the ex and without premeditation he could maybe possibly not get too much jail time, depending on prior offenses.
It’s not a very likely story, and I doubt a jury would buy it, but who knows?
Yup. If they catch the actual intruder and he is linked to McCoy, I don't see how McCoy avoids going away.
I am aware of the potential complexities here and new information could change this assessment. However, based on what we already know, the attempt to hide McCoy's links to the robbery/assault appears to be as well thought out as Aaron Hernandez' attempt to distance himself from the murder of Odin Lloyd. Except that McCoy doesn't have a significant other willing to destroy evidence and commit perjury on his behalf.
Edit: my dyslexia is in rare form this morning.
Well, he did.... if the dog, child and steroid abuse stories are true.
Those expecting the Bills to part ways with McCoy are discounting the chance of Brandon Beane being awoken by an intruder pistol-whipping him and insisting that he not cut McCoy.
McCoy could claim the perp knew about the ex living alone, with valuable jewelry in the home, and acted alone.
I don’t think this is the case because of the brutality of the assault, but a former classmate of mine was the victim of a home invasion. The assailants heard about him living alone, with valuables not located in a safe from a mutual party, and robbed him without the mutual party’s knowledge.
Not in Georgia. No breaking necessary, and (as in common law and most places) intent to commit any felony is sufficient:
Non-dwellings make it 2nd degree.
(IIRC from helping friends study for the bar, common law defined burglary as “Breaking and entering of a domicile at night with intent to commit a felony.”)
But he asked about specific pieces of jewelry that Shady had given her. Now, mayyyyybe that’s because he wanted to make sure he had everything and I’d assume those pieces were particularly valuable, but wouldn’t most robbers just go to the safe or the jewelry drawer or case and grab everything?
This is right. The at night part was always striking to me. And of course there were, “but what if the burglar breaks in right before nightfall but continues until after the sun has set?”
So, basically, Deflategate.
Speaking of Bills running backs ... at least OJ had the decency to actually go himself to get his items back
Counterpoint: He chopped his ex’s head off.
I'm talking about the Vegas robbery
Right. I think the important part about the Georgia definition is "without authority". If the guy gets caught, he's going to be under pressure to say that he had authority to enter the house. Which requires him to implicate McCoy, or at least make the claim that McCoy knew he'd be there.
Right. And the local prosecutors would love to hang a famous pelt on the wall.
Which is the big difference with Winston, a young and still upcoming star. It also shows the difference with the Browner story, which to me is just as bad, if not worse, yet is getting a lot less publicity because he's even older and not active on a team right now (or likely any more).
Yes, the “2-3 games” comment was sarcasm intended at highlighting how ridiculous and arbritrary the NFL is with all of this stuff. Nevermind the Deflategate stuff (God forbid we mention that word, we’ll have another 3 days of discussing why BBTL was closed), the Winston and NYG kicker stuff were far more egregious things in my opinion. None of it is surprising, but it does confirm that Roger Goodell is a dink.
Browner would be a bigger story if he were still playing, but the average fan didn’t know who he was even when he was playing unless they happened to root for one of his teams. My wife doesn’t know who McCoy is (I just asked her), but people who follow football even casually do.
But really, it’s the pictures.
Right, this was my first thought too when I heard the new evidence. I see this as probably the next most likely scenario besides the whole thing being orchestrated by McCoy. Someone close enough to McCoy to know the current living situation, what valuables should be available, and the fact that McCoy has a lot of animosity towards her. Maybe they even get someone else to do it for them so there's no risk of identification. It's definitely possible.
You are. Jackson was linked with gangs etc at the time and Kelly suggested that cutting him was related.
They traded shady so they weren't going to say shit about him but generally it was seen as a money thing (huge pay for a RB). Then that was questioned because they signed freaking Demarco Murray for similar money.
But there wasn't a lot of anti McCoy stuff at the time.
The initial posts we're awful but also kind of implied McCoy did this himself. Which seems to be not the case, and not what people are claiming. Which makes the dog and drugs stories less powerful tbh.
But he was demanding the stuff she was robbed of and the guy who came knew what to ask for. It may not be enough for charges but it should be enough for the bills and NFL you would hope.
They will need took prove a link to the guy to get him charged I'd think right?
Bengals! Chiefs! Cowboys! Seahawks! (Okay not the Seahawks, but damn Frank Clark got a pass, somehow)
Also, one of those articles mentions that the jewelry in question may have been on loan. This opens up even more possibilities, as there could be several external parties aware that the valuables were in her possession. The perpetrator doesn't even have to be in McCoy's circle of friends anymore.
A victim’s retraction of a domestic violence accusations doesn’t (and shouldn’t) carry much weight in the court of public opinion. Occam’s Razor still says McCoy was somehow involved. But it’s obviously not the straightforward case it seemed to be a few days ago.
This was the bit that jumped at me (from the first of those links):
I’ve heard about celebrities borrowing ridiculously high-end jewelry for big events, such as the Oscars, but I can’t imagine that business model would work on a wider scale — you’d have problems retrieving the rented jewelry too often. And the apparent absence of any legal action to recover the items suggests they didn’t come from someone in the (legitimate) business of loaning such items. And McCoy seemed to have a keen interest in seeing these items returned to their rightful owner — if she owed a bunch of shit to Rent-A-Center, I doubt that would’ve come up in a conversation with the cops.
The judgment in the court of public opinion will be much different if McCoy merely introduced her to underworld figures than if he sent one of his associates to her home, but either way he’s a shitty person, and I won’t feel bad if this ends his career.
Not necessarily. A lot of celebrities get their bling from personal jewelers; the kind that populate 47th Street. They’re either loaned out or sold outright, but payment isn’t usually demanded at time of sale. These guys have less ability and motivation to go after delinquents because it can lead to them being blackballed. I think Rafaello had to eventually sue Fat Joe, but it ended up being a black cloud for him.
In 2015 he sued DJ Khaled. Later in the year he was killed in an unrelated hit and run.
Well I got the fat part right. I saw Fat Joe chilling at Pristine; thought there was an issue there, too, but couldn’t find it online.
Quavo punched Eric the Jeweler and I think Drew Brees sued a private jeweler recently too.
Fat Joe was a client of his, he might've sued him too for all I know.