Learning the Playbook- Teach me

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I have never played organized  football.
 
That said I have learned some physically and mentally connected movements.
 
For instance Karate Katas and Dances. A football formation SEEMS similar. (Start here.....move to this position...do this...). 
 
I know that some people learn in different ways.  For instance I prefer to do the same Kata over and over and over in one chunk of time....eventually "Mastering it" (ha).  Same with Dancing.  I might break it up into sections...working on section 2 until I master that then moving to 3. 
 
Eventually I then tie them all together.  Sure while I might have mastered the individual pieces I will still screw up when I tie them together.  But at least I know I have the "building blocks" to put it all together.  Eventually my competence of the blocks leads to a competence of the whole.  I can then move onto the next Kata. Days, weeks or even months later I can then go back and perform that action.
 
When you integrate a player onto your team, maybe by trade, maybe he is a new recruit or draftee, how do you then teach him the play book?
 
It would seem to make sense to me that you teach him 1 play. "Durango"  In Durango you line up here, and you do this.  In Durango 2 you line up here and do that. Durango 3 etc etc.   It would seem to me that a Pro Athlete would have some of the building blocks (Route tree) and would simply need to pull it all together Of where to line up.
 
So Tim Wright we are running a Durango 3 Bandit (designator they give TEs) 5.   So from his position in Durango 3 (Left Slot) he is running an out.
 
I understand my terminology is wrong....and I understand that Brady isnt calling plays for each individual receiving option and that the Erhardt-Perkins throws alot of info at guys (3 routes (or more) per Receiver Position).  But I guess my point is that shouldnt these guys be able to learn 2-3 "Packages" in a week?Should they be able to learn more?
 
As a short term fix to simplify further.....Tim Wright isnt going to be lining up Out wide very often. So couldnt you "focus" on  the "Durango" Slot and End plays for him?  Sure the end goal is to have "Any Receiver line up in any position and run any route" but does he have do it all NOW?
 
Finally I know someone cant go through the season knowing 2 plays.....but 2 plays this week and 2 plays next week and 3 plays the following week....it would seem that you could learn a significant portion of the play book while still keeping the Defense from keying on you.
 
Lets discuss your experience and explain why most players seem to struggle so badly not only here but when introduced to any "new offense".
 

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It would seem to make sense to me that you teach him 1 play. "Durango"  In Durango you line up here, and you do this.  In Durango 2 you line up here and do that. Durango 3 etc etc.   It would seem to me that a Pro Athlete would have some of the building blocks (Route tree) and would simply need to pull it all together Of where to line up.
 
So Tim Wright we are running a Durango 3 Bandit (designator they give TEs) 5.   So from his position in Durango 3 (Left Slot) he is running an out.
 
I understand my terminology is wrong....and I understand that Brady isnt calling plays for each individual receiving option and that the Erhardt-Perkins throws alot of info at guys (3 routes (or more) per Receiver Position).  But I guess my point is that shouldnt these guys be able to learn 2-3 "Packages" in a week?Should they be able to learn more?
 
As a short term fix to simplify further.....Tim Wright isnt going to be lining up Out wide very often. So couldnt you "focus" on  the "Durango" Slot and End plays for him?  Sure the end goal is to have "Any Receiver line up in any position and run any route" but does he have do it all NOW?
 
Finally I know someone cant go through the season knowing 2 plays.....but 2 plays this week and 2 plays next week and 3 plays the following week....it would seem that you could learn a significant portion of the play book while still keeping the Defense from keying on you.
 
Lets discuss your experience and explain why most players seem to struggle so badly not only here but when introduced to any "new offense".
My football "career" (insert Francesa joke) ended in 10th grade however had the opportunity to view the Oakland Raiders Defensive Playbook following the 2013 Draft as a close friend of the family of their 3rd pick that year (#55) who is their starting weak side LB. Don't mean to name drop but I got a ton out of this time few fans experience.

What I got out of our 45-minute conversation is that it isn't necessarily the sets but in training your mind to know all the adjustments needed to be made at the line of scrimmage before the ball is snapped. He stressed that if just one player doesn't not react properly and immediately to different motions, adjustments when play clock is winding down, shifts, etc then the entire play breaks down. It's easy to know the play coming out of the huddle the mental work is in adjusting to what the offense shows and changes made in just seconds on the fly.....and everyone has to be on the same page.

Offensively you have similar shifts that a receiver and every player for that matter must react to as if it's second nature which we can all agree is never the case for a new guy who is seeing our playbook and learning our terminology for the first time.

You must recognize game situations as a WR (and all positions)......when the play clock is running down do you Scrap the movement called in the huddle and immediately get into the finished formation? What is the adjusted snap count when this occurs? What if the clock is running down a little and it's a close call? How about now reacting to the defense showing a blitz on top of all these other adjusmrnts......and Brady now changes the play, formation, your positioning, and your responsibilities with the clock winding down and snap call adjusted as well? These are instinctual things and not something that can learned from studying a playbook in itself......you require practice reps to gain confidence in your knowledge of the playbook and necessary adjustments and even then that is nothing resembling this at live game speed. Hope that helps a little.

As an aside, the Raiders defensive playbook was roughly 75 pages and any player in training camp faces a $10k fine if they lose their playbook. I didn't ask how thick the offensive playbook was.
 

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HRB, you do realize that you can find NFL playbooks, online, don't you?  I think there are a couple available from the Jets from just a couple years ago.  
Didn't have a clue. How/Why would this proprietary information be allowed for public access?

Anyway, my point remains. Learning the playbook and implementing the shifts/ changes at game speed are two completely different animals.


Edit: Ok who will be the first with a joke about the Jets playbook being online?
 
Earlier this year my friend downloaded the 2011 Jets playbook and I think the 2012 as well.  I know Michael Smith was on ESPN the other day saying a bunch are accessible but he's not sure where to find them. By the end of his show a bunch of viewers emailed him links and the actual playbooks of different teams.  And some were pretty recent - same coach, same offense as this season. 
 

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Earlier this year my friend downloaded the 2011 Jets playbook and I think the 2012 as well.  I know Michael Smith was on ESPN the other day saying a bunch are accessible but he's not sure where to find them. By the end of his show a bunch of viewers emailed him links and the actual playbooks of different teams.  And some were pretty recent - same coach, same offense as this season. 
Brady stole it for BB and then put it online to hurt the Jets.
 

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Earlier this year my friend downloaded the 2011 Jets playbook and I think the 2012 as well.  
Kudos on your friend saving trees and only using 2-pages of paper in printing these playbooks.
 

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Again I understand that Playbooks are thick, intimidating pieces of literature.  What I am asking is why cant a player learn just a small portion....in a small period of time.....and be successful in a limited role?
 
Then build upon that by learning a new portion and subsequently  increasing their role?
 
HRB makes the point about "Being at the Line and thinking about things at game speed".   I would counter that these are "NFL players" so they should have an idea of how to beat press coverage or how best to attempt to block the OLB across from you.  The trick is knowing where to be when you need to do those things.
 
The main problem (which was pretty obvious regarding Tim Wright) was that some players didnt even know where to line up on Sunday (or in the past). And supposedly they don't even know where they were supposed to end up. (Ohh...a Slant...I thought it was a curl.....).  The classic "Brady doenst trust em".
 
Wright should have seen that play a 1000 times.  "Tim Study page 8 of the play book....until you know it frontwards and backwards......cause if we play you on sunday IT WILL BE THAT PLAY"
 
 
Our Offense seems to be You either know ALL of the play book or you cant help us.  I am really having a hard time understanding why that is.
 
I am by know means simply shitting on Wright.  Ocho spent his lost season here and seemingly it was because of "the playbook"  (Though hindsight was that he was cooked). Chad Jackson was another one....etc etc.
 
So if the posterboy for the incredibly "hard play book" TM  (Ocho) should rather get blamed for just not being good anymore.....then maybe the Playbook aint that hard.
 
BUT if it IS that hard.....why not break it down into manageable bits tailored to the players.
 
I mean Gronk, Edelman and Murderer all had it figured out.....and while I may appreciate their football Skills, they dont strike me as being incredibly intelligent.
 
Here it is from another angle...
 
How long should it take to learn a play.  1 Play.  (and its variations).   I am not talking "perfecting the route".  I am simply thinking "Know where you should be after the huddle....what you should do pre and post snap and end up where your supposed to end up."
 

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You can't really have personnel on your team that can't adjust on the fly like they are asked to do. A play is coming into Brady's headpiece as personnel changes are being made. You can't call one play in the huddle and have a player in the huddle say "Tom I don't know that play can you call another one?"

You have to know the entire playbook at this level as everyone needs to be on the same page since adjustments are constantly made at a moments notice.......and everyone must react accordingly without thinking. It's a reaction game, not a thinking game.....very similar to basketball in that regard. If you have to think about what to do on either field you're a step behind which you can get away with on a rec level but not at the NFL (or NBA) level.
 

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They can't really dumb down the offense just for one player.  They could dumb down the offense if 2/3 of the skill position players can't grasp the current offense.
 

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Stitch01 said:
They can't really dumb down the offense just for one player.  They could dumb down the offense if 2/3 of the skill position players can't grasp the current offense.
 
I am dense.
 
Why?
 
Why cant they have a handful of plays that Tim Wright could run?  Worse case he is useless during that particular play and Brady goes somewhere else (Edelman).
 
Seems no worse then what we do now.
 
Regardless as you say 2/3s seem to be flailing.
 
And if the Offense is so complicated that 60% of our Rs (who we counted on for production) are basically useless then its time to change the offense.
 
I realize that in week 4 you cant "CHANGE" the offense.....but it can certainly be tweaked.  Perhaps they have or are in the process of doing that...
 
Maybe we will see that improvement.
 

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That's not really how route combinations work, someone running the wrong route can fuck up the other routes too.
 
Why out of 70 plays or w/e the team is going to run a game are they going to run even 5-10 plays designed specifically for Tim freaking Wright?
 
Im also not sure the problems are like "Wright is running a slant instead of an out pattern" and not things like "if the defense is X, Dobson runs a go, but then if the defense does Y after the snap Brady wants Dobson to know to stop at 12 yards because he's going to get a back shoulder throw instead".