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Kyrie Irving: Hardwood Magician

Discussion in 'Mark Blount's Port Cellar: Celtics Forum' started by Curtis Pride, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. lovegtm

    lovegtm Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah, this is quite important because he's played a lot of minutes in non-Smart lineups, so this isn't just Kyrie being only put in perfect situations defensively. The main outstanding question is how he'll hold up when targeted in the playoffs, but this isn't his first rodeo there either.
     
  2. HowBoutDemSox

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  3. BillMuellerFanClub

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    You have to love the maturity he’s showing. No one else I want leading this edition of the Celtics.
     
  4. Spelunker

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    Best thing about that is the unexpected joy in Gorman's call.
     
  5. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Agreed. He is course correcting and while its unfortunate its public, he is acknowledging his mistakes and trying to correct them. I know others may perceive this negatively but he gets kudos from me. Most people dig in, even when they are wrong.
     
  6. ugmo33

    ugmo33 Well-Known Member Bronze Supporter SoSH Member

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    If I was on the team, Kyrie repeatedly calling it "his team" and the overly-analytical way he talks about leadership would really rub me the wrong way...I'm not even on the team and it rubs me the wrong way....not even mentioning all his remarks about "knowing what it takes" and the other guys not knowing. He's a leader when he shows up on the court like he did tonight
     
  7. Three10toLeft

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    This team was minutes away from the NBA Finals without him. It's grating that he's making it seem like he's dragging this year's Pheonix Suns to championship contention.
     
  8. leetinsley38

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    Agreed. Honestly I love Kyrie the player. He just needs to STFU and play ball. It’s exhausting when after every game he has to wax philosophically about where the team is at, what it takes to win, ruminate on how the young guys are doing, etc.. I can see why Jaylen is starting to roll his eyes at him.
     
  9. DrewDawg

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    I don't know--Paul Pierce was on last night and said this is a good thing. You want guys to have roles, and Kyrie is now publicly staking out the alpha role.
     
  10. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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    Amazing thing about sports. How many pages of game thread demanding his head would there have been if he had missed that shot?

    The Cs got a favorable draw to get there. MIL and PHI were good matchups for them and the PHI kind of spit the bit. If they had gotten, just for example, IND and then TOR, they probably wouldn't have gotten to the Finals. So last year's finish was a bit of fools gold.

    (Although I think there's an alternate universe out there where BOS and HOU hit a few 3P shots in game 7; meet in the finals; the Cs win; and this year's team implodes in the locker room).
     
  11. lovegtm

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    Meh, I'm fine with Kyrie jacking 3s. If anything, I wish he'd up his volume in that regard.

    I'll always be convinced that the Celtics would have beaten a CP-less Houston. It would have been an all-time lucky route to a Finals win, but the path was there.
     
  12. Three10toLeft

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    That seems like a lot of equivocating. You can only ever play who is front of you, the Celtics were just a few minutes away from dethroning Cleveland.

    I agree with LeeTinsley. Kyrie's faux intellectual outlook on leadership, and his constant airing of grievances to the media is becoming tiresome. As a fellow teammate, I'd find it completely unnecessary, and almost wonder if this is all a way for Kyrie to shirk his responsibility for how the season is going ("I tried leading these young kids, but they wouldn't swallow their pride. They won't listen to me, and I've won a ring!"). It would be especially annoying to a teammate who is as smart and self aware as Brown as is.
     
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  13. JohnnyTheBone

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    I am in the STFU camp. Just as Kyrie is looking back at his "young" self of two years ago when he demanded a trade out of Cleveland, he'll look back at THIS Kyrie in a few years and realize, "God, what an insufferable dickhead I was". When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
     
  14. lovegtm

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    It's awkward/weird to watch him working out how to handle himself in real-time, in front of the media. At the same time though, that willingness to self-analyze and be wrong about things is also one of his positive traits. We forget how rare it is for a 26 year-old NBA star to look at his game, say "damn, I'm not good on defense," and then actually make the effort to improve it significantly and rapidly.

    Kyrie is an odd guy, particularly for an athlete, but on the whole I'm happy to have him, and I think he'll learn a lot from this recent media debacle.
     
  15. DrewDawg

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    All that said, he's a god damned stone cold assassin on the court.
     
  16. Jimbodandy

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    I'd like to add to the chorus of appreciation of Kyrie's self-examination. He clearly wants to lead and is partly learning on the job. Of course it's better to handle constructive criticism in house. But he is adapting and learning. Better for the team that the guy wants to lead, can command respect, and learns how.
     
  17. Imbricus

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    I'm more in the STFU contingent. I think players gravitate toward natural leaders; you don't anoint yourself one. And his public self-examination can come off as a bit insufferable. A smart leader has everyone's back in public and addresses problems in private. Also he's a little reckless with his comments in general. Last night he said the Celtics are going to "run over everybody" this season. Why say stuff like that? You're just giving your opponents something to pin to the corkboard and get motivated over when you come to town to play.

    Still, the guy has shown himself to be an incredible talent and we're lucky to have him. He just needs to chill a bit and let his in-game actions speak for him.
     
  18. Eddie Jurak

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    The neck bandage was not a good look for Paul Pierce, but he overcame it in a big way.
     
  19. lexrageorge

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    +1. We need to remember that Kyrie is 26, and not all 26 year olds are press savvy, especially when put into a new situation. In Kyrie's case, that situation is "veteran leader of a team surrounded by a lot of developing players". It's not an easy one. There will be missteps, especially as it's not exactly in Kyrie's nature to keep quiet.

    Both KG and especially Ray Allen had reputations for various immature and selfish acts prior to coming to Boston. Back in the original Big 3 era, Dennis Johnson had such a bad reputation that the Suns gave him away for Rick Robey.
     
  20. HomeRunBaker

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    I rememeber hearing through the grapevine that the leagues new anti-drug policy was the real reason the Suns traded DJ because they expected him to be hit with a lifetime ban. Who knows if that was true but he was implicated in some cocaine arrests back then iirc. Supposedly the Lakers traded Norm Nixon for the same reason immediately following the policy taking effect.
     
  21. lexrageorge

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    I wonder if this was the story you recall:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1987-05-09/sports/sp-4689_1_nba-players

    It came out well after DJ had joined the Celtics, but it does mention the link with Walter Davis, who was a well-known drug user back in the day.

    There were also stories about DJ having a bit of an attitude problem when he was with Seattle, and somehow got labeled as a bit of a selfish player.
     
  22. HomeRunBaker

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    Yeah everyone got off the hook when High (best name ever for an 80’s NBA player) died when he smashed his car when drunk one night and he wasn’t available to be cross-examined.
     
  23. RedOctober3829

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    I don't find what Kyrie said about calling LeBron that big of a deal. Sounds like the media hyping something that isn't that serious.
     
  24. HowBoutDemSox

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