You mean they're NOT run by mostly trust-fund babies who's only interaction with the public at large is their once-per-game zoom shot in their owners box??? Huh.
You funny.
Kareem Hunt - channeling his inner Ray Rice
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You funny.
Well some out in Kansas City think the timing of this is suspicious so just maybe the Pats are responsible for the leak.
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=319210
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=319210
I have little doubt the Chiefs knew, in detail, about the contents of the tape even if nobody in the organization viewed it directly. I also have little doubt that the decision to release Hunt was made back in Feb or Mar when the league and the Chiefs developed the contingency plan for what steps would be taken should the tape ever be made public. Nothing we hear from the Chiefs or the league on this matter is coming off the cuff. This script was written 10 months ago. All they’re doing now is pressing play.
We know the Chiefs Super Bowl chances just took a hit, but there also may be video out there of Kareem Hunt delivering a follow up kick.
We know the Chiefs Super Bowl chances just took a hit, but there also may be video out there of Kareem Hunt delivering a follow up kick.
Wait, are we seriously debating whether the NFL knew about this and could have gotten hold of the tape?
Have people forgotten that this *exact same scenario* played out during the Ray Rice situation? With the whole situation with someone in possession of the video leaving a voicemail at the league office saying they had the tape and the league doing absolutely nothing about it? That was nationally reported.
We even debated how it was remotely possible that league investigators who were PD, FBI, etc. wouldn’t be able to get hold of the tape.
Why are we debating this whole thing like this is the first time it ever happened?
Have people forgotten that this *exact same scenario* played out during the Ray Rice situation? With the whole situation with someone in possession of the video leaving a voicemail at the league office saying they had the tape and the league doing absolutely nothing about it? That was nationally reported.
We even debated how it was remotely possible that league investigators who were PD, FBI, etc. wouldn’t be able to get hold of the tape.
Why are we debating this whole thing like this is the first time it ever happened?
“You getta pass on this one. You’re modest, you don’t win too much, you never refuse an accommodation. I’ve run this by some of the other families, the important ones. They’re on board.
If the tape comes out, the hammer comes down. We’ll say we tried to get the tape but couldn’t. You may want to fall on the sword.
But hey — if you were the Cowboys or the Patriots, you’d get the blindfold and cigarette.
Understood?”
“Yes. Thank you.”
“Alright. Keep your nose clean.”
Ray Rice Redux.
This entire word salad is a disgusting homage to misogyny.
Jesus Christ, arent we beyond this kind of shit?
Fans board, right? Fans are gonna fan. If this happened to us, some of us would be looking at Pittsburgh, Indy, maybe the Jets or Giants out of sheer spite.
Of course, the Pats don’t have that kind of juice. But this is what happens when certain owners decide to weaponize the disciplinary process and the Commissioner is a puppet. Everybody wonders when their team gets gouged.
Maybe, but is the person behind him no suited to be the top backup on a SB team? Depth takes a hit and that's important too.
I do think that the Chiefs are concerned about image. Hence the cutting of the player. That said, I also firmly believe that they knew what happened, most likely viewed the tape, and just hope it never came out.
Never comes out? Great - Image solid
Comes out? Cut the player, get the points for "doing the right thing". Image solid
It is disgusting, but I 100% am of the opinion of the above. They got eleven games out of him, and would have ridden him to the Super Bowl if given the chance.
Hard to believe KC really cares about doing the right thing when they drafted Tyreek Hill while he was on probation from beating up his pregnant girlfriend. This is about optics, it was bad yesterday, so they reacted. If there was a tape of Hill, he’d be playing in Canada or sandlot somewhere, but there isn’t so he’s starting on Sundays.
I deleted a bunch of no substance, gamethready, and worthless posts.
I get the emotional aspects of this and, as Average Red points out, we should be better in all ways when discussing the topic.
I get the emotional aspects of this and, as Average Red points out, we should be better in all ways when discussing the topic.
I think the simple explanation here is the right one. KC heard about the incident, interviewed Hunt. NFL did the same. Both made a perfunctory effort to get the tape, and didn't press after being denied/running into some minor hurdle. At that point it's he said/she said, so nothing to see here, move along.
Which is, of course, completely at odds with what they did in the Zeke case. Goodell is who we thought he is. Water is wet, etc.
EDIT: Actually came on because someone sent me Feitelberg's RT of the fake PFT tweet about some "nameless AFC playoff team" getting ahold of the tape and passing it to TMZ. Was in the middle of composing an epic rant when I found out it was fake. Oh well.
Which is, of course, completely at odds with what they did in the Zeke case. Goodell is who we thought he is. Water is wet, etc.
EDIT: Actually came on because someone sent me Feitelberg's RT of the fake PFT tweet about some "nameless AFC playoff team" getting ahold of the tape and passing it to TMZ. Was in the middle of composing an epic rant when I found out it was fake. Oh well.
Haha, could you imagine the shitstorm from fanboys if the Patriots had been the ones to leak it to TMZ? Not because they care, but because they want to disrupt the Chiefs and get the #1 seed.
I largely missed watching the KC game, and have seen none of their other games. How badly will this affect them--any thoughts?
This will be a big loss. Ware is a decent RB but he isn’t nearly as good as Hunt. There is a reason why they grabbed Hunt after a full season of Ware in 2016.
Hunt is one of the best dual threat RBs in the league and has destroyed the Pats last 2 games to the tune of almost 450 total yards. They’ll still have a great offense without him but his absence should allow for more attention on Kelce and Hill.
I"m not talking about the NFL. I'm talking about the Chiefs.
You guys read the posts you respond to, right?
You realize the teams themselves have their own security staffs, usually made up of former cops or agents, to head this stuff off, right?
That your premise of the Chiefs not being able to or knowing how to get the tape is naive.
Well, the first page was all “The NFL did it again?!?!!” It’s been a pretty one-sided debate. We have to talk about something.
Saw this on Facebook and laughed my ass off. Never imagined it would be seriously discussed by someone on this planet, but here we are.
He may be the #1 overall back in the league. He is fantastic.
Two career games against the Pats:
10/14/18 10 carries for 80 yards (8.0 YPC; long of 31); 5 catches for 105 yards and 1 TD (21.0 YPC; long of 67)
9/7/17 17 carries for 148 yards and 1 TD (8.7 YPC; long of 58); 5 catches for 98 yards and 2 TD (19.6 YPC; long of 78)
Combined: 27 carries for 228 yards and 1 TD (8.44 YPC and runs of 31 and 58 yards); 10 catches for 203 yards and 3 TD (20.3 YPC and catches of 67 and 78 yards).
I mean he put up 234 yards on 4 TOUCHES in the two games. And his other 33 touches still yielded another 197 yards. That is insane.
I am shocked that there are people in this forum who are willing to give the league or any NFL organization the benefit of the doubt on this one - especially a team that had no problem drafting a player who beat on his pregnant girlfriend.
At this point, its fair to believe that the league and KC knew that there were videos of this and had a contingency plan in place if they came to light. Hunt's release mere hours after the clip broke is either a radical step forward for NFL teams in the face of one of their players committing a crime or, alternatively, a play they already had dialed up. Given the presence of Hill on KC's roster, I choose to believe the latter.
Finally, if there is one good thing to come from this horrible story, its that Hunt went from being a premiere RB for a superbowl contender to (hopefully) having no career in the space of a day. If the league evolves to a zero-tolerance policy for this sort of behavior, its a good thing. The only way sports leagues are going to deter their employees from engaging in horrific behavior is if there are serious consequences that apply across the board from practice squad players to stars. We aren't there yet - Hill, Foster, Elliot, Mixon and others say "hi" - but Hunt's release is a step in the right direction.
At this point, its fair to believe that the league and KC knew that there were videos of this and had a contingency plan in place if they came to light. Hunt's release mere hours after the clip broke is either a radical step forward for NFL teams in the face of one of their players committing a crime or, alternatively, a play they already had dialed up. Given the presence of Hill on KC's roster, I choose to believe the latter.
Finally, if there is one good thing to come from this horrible story, its that Hunt went from being a premiere RB for a superbowl contender to (hopefully) having no career in the space of a day. If the league evolves to a zero-tolerance policy for this sort of behavior, its a good thing. The only way sports leagues are going to deter their employees from engaging in horrific behavior is if there are serious consequences that apply across the board from practice squad players to stars. We aren't there yet - Hill, Foster, Elliot, Mixon and others say "hi" - but Hunt's release is a step in the right direction.
That clip of her talking to the cops is pretty disturbing too. Like they’re trying to convince her not to press charges, and not taking it seriously.
She also doesn’t seem all that drunk, pretty coherent.
She also doesn’t seem all that drunk, pretty coherent.
This is a fine post. I’m not going to push back at you.
Upthread, in scripted quotes, I provided my account of how I think this went down. The NFL is the new Mob.
I still give them credit because the real gangsta move here is to keep him, walk him to the Commissioner’s office on Monday, plea out, and have him back in uniform for the postseason. There is nothing preventing it; he wouldn’t draw more than 6 games.
And let’s he honest. If he were a Patriot, some here — not the majority, probably, but some — would be advocating that approach. They’d say he didn’t knock the woman out like Ray Rice; they’d say she called him the N-word; they’d cite an otherwise clean record. People get where they want to go, somehow.
The day Aaron Hernandez was arrested for murder is emblazoned in my memory. I was with you all here. Somebody posted after Kraft immediately cut him — “massive overreaction.”
PS ... I am watching the Big 12 Championship game on ABC. Have been all afternoon. Still nothing about Hunt on the crawl. Under NFL News, the crawl reports that the Ravens sent one RB to the IR, activated another.
The worst part or her interview is the front desk not letting her call 911 and calling her a slut. Wonder if he got fired.
In the second clip are they trying to claim Kareem was sleeping at the time? I can't figure out who they are talking about when they say don't need to talk to him he was sleeping.
From a pure legal perspective could the girl bring charges against Kareem and would she likely win if she did. She didn't seem to suffer any injury so I'm legitimately curious if she could press charges and win. Not defending Kareem at all because clearly he shouldn't have touched her but could he either be sued or go to jail for what he did?
If so should the CLE PD be called into question for not pursuing this further or did they simply not press charges because there was no damage? Take the NFL out of it and what do we have here if this happened outside a bar late on a Saturday night.
If so should the CLE PD be called into question for not pursuing this further or did they simply not press charges because there was no damage? Take the NFL out of it and what do we have here if this happened outside a bar late on a Saturday night.
Remember Gainesville when Urban Meyer ran the Gators?
Take the NFL out of this, the clerk calls 911 and everyone gets taken in. Nothing much probably comes of it unless the victim is adamant about prosecuting, and she probably wouldn’t be. But that’s not the point. The point is “you’re not gonna ruin my summah” because I’m a fan and the Chiefs rock.
I am hoping that nobody does but this is the NFL so you are probably right. It just sucks because if the league exhibited a zero tolerance policy it would clearly go a lot further than ad campaigns and platitudes.
My guess is he’ll clear. He’ll be signed as a free agent once he squares things with the League. If he’s smart, he’ll go in, give a completely truthful account and position things so he’s looking at a clean start next season.
And if this happens he’d be a free agent, correct? If so, at least monetarily, it’s the best thing that could have happened to him long term. Any potential new contract would be for more than his rookie deal plus he’d get to his second contract at a younger age.
My stomach is a bit queasy now.
This is an appalling department policy
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/chiefs/2018/11/30/chiefs-kareem-hunt-placed-commissioners-exempt-list/2168658002/
I don't understand the part where the police tell the victim they won't ask the hotel for the surveillance video because the hotel doesn't have to show them the video without a subpoena. Is it really true that in most cases the hotel wouldn't pull the video, if asked to by law enforcement, without a subpoena?
They also put a bystander in cuffs—the one who helped the victim call 911. He refused to turn over his phone and they cuffed him.
https://www.kctv5.com/news/bodycam-footage-from-kareem-hunt-incident-shows-police-tried-to/video_bfab7ed7-f3b9-5276-9763-528d5852c125.html
https://www.kctv5.com/news/bodycam-footage-from-kareem-hunt-incident-shows-police-tried-to/video_bfab7ed7-f3b9-5276-9763-528d5852c125.html
As bad as this is, Hunt may come out with more money if someone doesn't claim him. If he goes unclaimed, some team will sign him to a contract that is worth more than he was making on his rookie deal. Shameful, but probably true.
IANAL, but is it possible that lawyers for such companies would require a subpoena so that they can show they are acting under court order and thus prevent any (frivolous or not) civil lawsuits?
It's Cleveland, I doubt very much their detectives are focused on cases where there were no injuries. They have more important things to worry about.
I think $ would depend on whether this is one-time incident or whether there were others, and his attitude. Red October could be right.
People seem to be suggesting lifetime bans or boycotts with this guy, and I understand why. But that would not be justice. If your going to do that, the death penalty should be prospective, and to be fair any penalty should depend on his conduct compared to other cases.
(I’ll preempt this. What about Kaepernick? Don’t ask. It’s deplorable.)
A lot of people say this sort of thing and it confuses me a little bit, although I may be operating under some false assumptions.
I don't think anyone is under any obligation to hand over surveillance recordings to anyone else, right? If I'm running a luxury hotel I'm probably not going to show them to anyone but law enforcement. When people assert that the NFL had access to or could have accessed these recordings, do they mean legally or illegally? Do we expect the NFL to break the law to keep tabs on their employees' private lives on the off chance that they commit crimes?
I am also under the impression that you can't just fire people on suspicion that they have committed a crime, particularly when they haven't been arrested or charged or anything. Even if they fire someone for being arrested, are they not open to lawsuits in the event that the person is acquitted or the charges are dropped (not to mention this also being pretty unfair to people who've been falsely accused, even though that's not the case in this situation)?
Please don't take this as me defending Hunt's actions or anything, and believe me, I don't want to defend Goodell or any of the NFL owners, many of whom seem like terrible people. The NFL isn't God, though, and I think it's a little bit ridiculous to expect them to keep tabs on the private lives of every player and coach employed by NFL franchises.
The problem is they behave like a crime syndicate. Deflategate was a set up. The Ray Rice incident a transparent farce. The pass they gave Eli Manning & Co. — for allegedly defrauding NFL fans on memorabilia, actual fraud — was indefensible (“There’s nothing to see here.”)
So if you assume good faith and honest dealing, you’re taking an enormous leap of faith for which there is no basis in fact.
So if you assume good faith and honest dealing, you’re taking an enormous leap of faith for which there is no basis in fact.
ESPN has been a joke for a while. Outside of Live
Sports I rarely tune into the station