Jurassic World 3: Where the Dinosaurs have Quad Injuries and Hate Their Shoe Deals

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How many draft picks/young players would have to be attached to Ryan Anderson to move him? He is a good shooter. That is the extent of the nice things I can say about him. He is owed 42 million over the next two years.
Anderson the Cavs would be stuck with. But there are worse things in the world than getting talent back for Gordon and whatever you can get for Love in another trade.
 

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Lakers or Clippers.

But this draft is loaded and the Clips have the 12th and 13th picks. Aside from Pop (and Spo), I can't think of a coach LeBron would more immediately vibe with than Doc. And most importantly, Jerry West knows what he's doing. I wouldn't be shocked if he found a way to get Kawhi and convinced LeBron to take a pay cut for the sake of his legacy. LeBron surely remembers that joining an organization run by a basketball legend who's a proven winner as an executive worked out for him last time. The Lakers have some pieces, but Magic is unproven as an exec, same for Walton as a coach.

Either way, though, there's no obvious choice, so Philly is possible. It's gonna be a crazy summer.
The Clippers are already over the cap for next year.

They'd have to shave off 50 million to get into Lebrons ballpark.

Is someone taking Gallinari at 2/44? Or Austin Rivers at 12.7M? Boban at 7M? Wes Johnson at 6M?

They'd need to dump off at minimum Gallo plus one of the other three. If Deandre Jordan opts in, even dumping all four of those guys off wouldn't be enough.

Lebron won't be playing with the Clippers.
 

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If LBJ goes to LAL, it's because that's the best combination of potential title run plus getting the right contacts to further his post-career media empire.

The OH region is going to be apoplectic if he were to leave again. I wonder how that affects his thinking.
 

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The OH region is going to be apoplectic if he were to leave again. I wonder how that affects his thinking.
Really? My sense is that they're pretty resigned to it, and grateful for the championship. I don't think anyone expects him to play out the rest of his career with supporting casts like these.
 

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Kevin O'Connor, of The Ringer, said that the Spurs need a "grand slam offer" to think about trading him.

Not a news flash, but there it is.
 

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Simmons/pick for Kawhi and then sign Lebron. If I'm Philly, I'm all in on that option. Depends on what Pop thinks of Simmons but the possibility is there that Kawhi is gone after 2019 anyway.
 

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Kevin O'Connor, of The Ringer, said that the Spurs need a "grand slam offer" to think about trading him.
To match Leonard's salary, what would a "grand slam offer" look like from the Celtics? Brown, Rozier, Morris, Yabusele, and Nader?
 

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Kevin O'Connor, of The Ringer, said that the Spurs need a "grand slam offer" to think about trading him.

Not a news flash, but there it is.
Let the posturing begin. Spurs aren’t going to let themselves get Kyrie’d. We’ll see how Kawhi’s group responds.
 

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Kevin O'Connor, of The Ringer, said that the Spurs need a "grand slam offer" to think about trading him.

Not a news flash, but there it is.
People want a lot of things. The issue is that if they don't want to offer him the supermax, he's gone. They're in a far worse position than the Cavs were with Kyrie, because he only has a year left, and has a bad injury history. I think we will be underwhelmed by the eventual return for Kawhi, because the team taking him will have to think he will re-sign, he's expensive, and injury risk will need to be priced in.
 

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Kevin O'Connor, of The Ringer, said that the Spurs need a "grand slam offer" to think about trading him.

Not a news flash, but there it is.
I mean true or false that is what they are going to say.
They're not going to say, we don't want him any more so anything is better than nothing
 

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Brian Windhorst on the Lowe Post podcast suggests that the C's should make a trade call to Minnesota for KAT. He says Minnesota is in turmoil and Towns would retain supermax contract rights if he's traded on his rookie deal.
 

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Brian Windhorst on the Lowe Post podcast suggests that the C's should make a trade call to Minnesota for KAT. He says Minnesota is in turmoil and Towns would retain supermax contract rights if he's traded on his rookie deal.
Hard no on that. He looked awful in the playoffs, and every single supermax signed so far looks like a franchise killer besides Curry.
 

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I would have to think long and hard before putting Jaylen in that deal. KAT hasn't shown much defensive awareness.
Danny would personally drive Jaylen to the airport to get KAT if Jaylen/Rozier/picks gets it done (which it wouldn't). We're talking about a 22 year-old 20/10 machine. Defense still needs work but hooking KAT up to the Stevens Development Machine would be insanely attractive.

In the very, very, VERY small chance this happens, Minnesota would probably trade Butler for young player(s)/picks and build around Rozier/Brown/Wiggins and the bevy picks they'd get. Wouldn't be entirely unreasonable if they are pressing the reset button.
 

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Seriously. In his age 21 season, same as Brown this year, KAT put up 25 and 12 with nearly an identical 3 point shooting percentage. Not wanting to include Jaylen is ridiculous. It also would take a hell of a lot more than Jaylen Brown to get Towns. And also - MIN isn't trading him.
 

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The Wolves have a coach/president and figurehead GM to fire before they even broach the idea of trading Towns.
 

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It should be noted KAT is horrible on defense and barely showed up in the playoffs. It’s not nearly as cut and dry as some are making it. Basically, take everything you love about Smart and imagine the opposite and you have Towns.
 

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If the Celtics stole KAT, I would be concerned that it would be the last straw that would make the state of Minnesota declare war on us.
 

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I'd trade anyone on the Celtics' roster for KAT, including Tatum, grudgingly. I don't see Minny trading him.
 

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It should be noted KAT is horrible on defense and barely showed up in the playoffs. It’s not nearly as cut and dry as some are making it. Basically, take everything you love about Smart and imagine the opposite and you have Towns.
Is Towns horrible on defense? The peripheral numbers don't support that view though I admit that had I not looked, I would have said the same thing. I mean, he isn't a stopper by any stretch but he is better than I thought. In addition, he is an elite rebounder and a border-line elite scorer in every facet (around the rim, from deep and FTs too).

He turns 23 in the fall so he is young enough that the right coach - and one that isn't trying to run him out there for 35-40 minutes a night - might be able to improve his defense so instead of being just ok, it could also be elite. He is that good of an athlete. And frankly, getting his current production for under $8mm next season is a huge plus. If Towns is available and you realize that Anthony Davis isn't walking through that door (and he is not), you have to at least strongly consider it. And yes, its going to take at least one of Brown or Tatum to get the conversation going.
 

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Really? My sense is that they're pretty resigned to it, and grateful for the championship. I don't think anyone expects him to play out the rest of his career with supporting casts like these.
Also, they're not filling out the arena anymore. They know that this roster (sans James) is shitty. Indians tickets cost more than round one Cavaliers tickets last year.
 

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Hard no on that. He looked awful in the playoffs, and every single supermax signed so far looks like a franchise killer besides Curry.
I'm in awe of this post. Hard no ....

Also KAT was horrendous defensively but finally made some strides this year to be bad instead of awful.
Thibs is terrible and won't adjust to anything, I would expect improvement in a good system, good team good coach situation like Boston.
I would also agree that if they don't keep KAT Minnesota is insane. But then they gave Wiggins a max so....
 

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Odds for teams as landing spot for Leonard in 2019:

San Antonio Spurs -- 5/8

Philadelphia 76ers -- 9/2

Los Angeles Lakers -- 13/2

Los Angeles Clippers -- 7/1

Boston Celtics -- 11/1

Cleveland Cavaliers -- 12/1

New York Knicks -- 14/1

Charlotte Hornets -- 15/1

Milwaukee Bucks -- 15/1
 

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I bet on the Sons of George Gervin board they have a thread titled "Could we get Tatum?"
 

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I bet on the Sons of George Gervin board they have a thread titled "Could we get Tatum?"
Some of my Spurs fan friends are convinced they’re getting Tatum. Not many of them are that interested in Jaylen. I tell them that’s great because you’re not getting him either.
 

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Let's imagine we just have this team we have now... the one that is 1 win from the Finals. Whatever happens from here on out... let's say this offseason were to just consist of signing a healthy Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward... that would be a pretty good offseason, no?

That's my choice.
 

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Could KAT and Al even play together in the same starting lineup? Or would Al have to be included in the deal to make the salary work?
 

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Is KAT even workable in the Stevens defensive system that requires quick rotation or switching?
 

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Could KAT and Al even play together in the same starting lineup? Or would Al have to be included in the deal to make the salary work?
Horford and KAT would thrive together.

As suggested by HRB, Kyrie/MaMo for KAT/Teague would be somewhat fair (99% chance this doesn't happen like every fake deal proposed).

Tatum/Brown are untouchable in my book, so the Wolves can go pound sand if they ask (along with the Spurs and anyone else not named Pelicans)
 

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As suggested by HRB, Kyrie/MaMo for KAT/Teague would be somewhat fair (99% chance this doesn't happen like every fake deal proposed).
As long as we're talking about fake Kyrie deals (spoiler: we'll be talking about them all summer given how good the team is already and how high his 2019 pricetag we'll be), what are some of the scenarios where Kyrie would be likely to re-sign with the team that acquired him and that team has assets good enough for a top 10-15 player?

There aren't a whole lot.
 

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Jaylen, Morris and the Kings pick. If the salary works, do it. Throw in Rozier for all I care.
 

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Jaylen, Morris and the Kings pick. If the salary works, do it. Throw in Rozier for all I care.
Salary doesn’t work. Tough to trade for Kawhi without the salary of Kyrie or Hayward. Possible but Danny would have to unload like 5 guys.

One game obviously won’t change Ainge’s opinion of Jaylen but tonight showed why a healthy (big, big “if”) Kawhi would be incredibly valuable when you need to go through LeBron.

I bet he quietly investigates but doubt he pulls the trigger on a deal.
 

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Making the salaries work is easy if Smart wants to play with the Spurs, or if they'll take Monroe at 1-10 or whatever the max Cs can offer him is. Very difficult to come up with an offer without using one of them.
 

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Salary doesn’t work. Tough to trade for Kawhi without the salary of Kyrie or Hayward. Possible but Danny would have to unload like 5 guys.

One game obviously won’t change Ainge’s opinion of Jaylen but tonight showed why a healthy (big, big “if”) Kawhi would be incredibly valuable when you need to go through LeBron.

I bet he quietly investigates but doubt he pulls the trigger on a deal.
In Kawhi's final playoff loss when he was 20 years old he put up a monster 5/2/1/1 line in 40 minutes on 2-7 shooting. One no-show in a Game 7 as a 20-year old should have about zero effect on a players future value.
 

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Jazz fan here out west. I can tell you the only team with any shot in the East is the Celtics next year. Cavs will do well to not get swept. The Celtics are absolutely loaded and your coast is incredible. Philadelphia is overrated. If you got a Kawhi type player you'd have a legit shot against an aging Warriors or Rockets.
 

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In Kawhi's final playoff loss when he was 20 years old he put up a monster 5/2/1/1 line in 40 minutes on 2-7 shooting. One no-show in a Game 7 as a 20-year old should have about zero effect on a players future value.
Um, sure. But that’s not what I’m saying. Like at all. Ainge has to take a holistic view of the roster. The likely result of this is staying put and running it back. But he should also investigate the price of Kawhi. Because Kawhi is a hell of a lot better than Jaylen Brown if he’s healthy.
 

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The salary doesn't work (with or without Rozier).
They could realistically do it with Brown/Morris/Rozier/Yabu/Nader, but the two ginormous issues remain Leonard’s health and the fact it would seem impossible to keep both him and Kyrie past 2019. Al would need to be part of the trade, but then the team is worse. Brown/Horford/Rozier/Sac/Mem picks should be the Godfather offer for Davis imo. If no, then run with what you got.
 

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Um, sure. But that’s not what I’m saying. Like at all. Ainge has to take a holistic view of the roster. The likely result of this is staying put and running it back. But he should also investigate the price of Kawhi. Because Kawhi is a hell of a lot better than Jaylen Brown if he’s healthy.
Of course Ainge is going to complete his due diligence on all scenarios.....that is his job. I was referring to this thread being bumped following Jaylen's poor showing tonight. Giving up the cost controlled years of Jaylen for the right to max Kawhi a year prior to Kyrie coming up for his extension, right after paying Horford and Hayward, is as big a deterrent as Kawhi's health in us making a deal like this. I don't see it ever happening based on both of these reasons being issues.
 

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Of course Ainge is going to complete his due diligence on all scenarios.....that is his job. I was referring to this thread being bumped following Jaylen's poor showing tonight. Giving up the cost controlled years of Jaylen for the right to max Kawhi a year prior to Kyrie coming up for his extension, right after paying Horford and Hayward, is as big a deterrent as Kawhi's health in us making a deal like this. I don't see it ever happening based on both of these reasons being issues.
That was clearly a reactionary post that kicked it off but this talk isn’t going to go away this summer. The Celtics will be linked to Kawhi. Like you, I highly doubt they do anything here but I’ve given up trying to predict Danny’s moves.

My gut says Danny doesn’t do much this summer outside of the PG spot and tweaking the bench. He really doesn’t have to do much.
 

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Making the salaries work is easy if Smart wants to play with the Spurs, or if they'll take Monroe at 1-10 or whatever the max Cs can offer him is. Very difficult to come up with an offer without using one of them.
Edit: Never mind I think I got the cap rules wrong.
 
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IIRC, Kawhi at 21 missed a crunch time FT that would have sealed a title for the Spurs in Game 6. I have a mental bock about what happened in regulation after the big miss.
 

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Also part of my irrational Kawhi/KAT proposals just stem from the fear of having LeBron choose Philly. Love me some Jaylen, but Kawhi is Kawhi.