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Discussion in 'Rick Middleton's Pron 'Stache: Bruins Forum' started by MiracleOfO2704, Jul 1, 2018.
Calvin DeHaan is heading to Carolina on a four-year deal at $4.55 million AAV.
Chris Stevenson of the Athletic for Ottawa tweeted a few minutes ago: "Dallas, Tampa and Vegas are the teams to watch in Karlsson pursuit. Tampa pushing after losing out on Tavares."
This will make Carolina's top four d pretty amazing
Slavin - Pesce
Hamilton - DeHaan
I assume Faulk is going to be traded somewhere.
Rumors of Karlsson to Tampa being close to done
So the GM wasn’t allowed to trade Hoffman in the division, but Karlsson to Tampa is cool? I don’t buy it.
That report was always a load of shit. They were negotiating with Florida before trading him to San Jose. That trade was all about getting a $4 milllion cap hit back and only paying out $3 million in actual cash. They chose to take that contract to get them to the cap floor instead of draft picks. Florida doesn’t have a Boedker type contract on their books. They used the “no trades in the division” to deflect from the money component.
As for Karlsson to TB, has to be JT Miller to Ottawa plus futures/ELC guys. I’ll guess Miller, Koekkoek, Cal Foote and draft picks. The TB 1st is tied up in 2019 based on the McDonagh trade, but they’ll figure something out. It’ll be an underwhelming return.
Meanwhile, the Habs just announce Shea Weber had knee surgery and is expected to be out 5-6 months. That puts him back around New Year’s it things go well. He missed 56 games last year with a foot injury, now this.
8 years, $7.8 AAV left on that puppy. He’s 32, coming off both foot and knee surgeries. Good luck with that!
OMG. Not good for him, but that made me laugh. That trade keeps getting better.
Outstanding trade by Bergevin.
Guessing the main problem is the players TB would like and need to move for salary purposes have NMC/NTC’s and won’t waive for Ottawa. Callahan, Palat, Johnson, Killorn, Stralman, Colburn, Girardi all have some kind of no trade protection. JT Miller is really the only realistic trade option without an NMC.
Tampa is going to be fucking stacked. Especially on the blue line. Hedman, Karlsson, McDonagh and Sergachev is a ridiculis top 4 and they still have Girardi and Coburn as their 3rd pair. It’s nuts
Sergachev would have to be going the other way in that deal I would assume. If not than it wouldn’t cost the Bruins McAvoy so why aren’t they involved?
NYR may be the 3rd team, taking Callahan back.
This is going to be an epic fleecing by Yzerman.
If this goes through, the Bruins will be buried in their own division by TB and Toronto with no major moves on the horizon from Sweeney.
If they stick with the draft and development strategy that has been working for them they should remain competitive. The young players will get better. The last thing that they need to do is force a move to keep up with the Jones’s.
They can and should be competitive, but they'll clearly be the 3rd best team in their own division which means they'll have a very, very tough road in the playoffs with the strong possibility of no home-ice. Tough place to be in.
"My NHL sources tell me a Karlsson deal to Tampa is done, pending a call with the league office. @TSN1200." tweeted Shawn Simpson of TSN
Tough place for the B's to be in if the Bolts get him, but the Bruins drove this car, post Peter, and looked to be enjoying the ride.
Is this a situation where the calculus is changing and Cam and company are now behind? Is the current plan one to keep following?
In my view Sweeney is a pawn not a player. He's just a guy.
Third in the division equates to what position in the conference?
The prospects upside needs to exceed upside. Is this the plan?
I'd like to see the Bruins not overreact here. It sucks but they're still a top 6-7 team in the league. Don't sign Pat Maroon or trade for Simmonds.
We saw this year with Vegas and Washington that you don't have to be one of the best teams to make it to the cup. Focus on the long term and build a team that will be in the playoffs with a decent chance every year for the next 10 years.
Tavares and Karlsson are great players who make Toronto and Tampa much better in the short term. But both teams are going to have a lot of difficulty extending some of their young players next year, and I think both of these contracts are not going to look great in 4 years
$30M over the next 8 years! Haha.
I don't agree. TB yes, but the Bruins are still better than Toronto.
Is Rask in net the reason for optimism against the Leafs?
I don't understand the question.
Sure Toronto added Tavares, but they haven't done much else. They lost JVR. They lost Bozak. Their defense still sucks.
They're basically the same team the Bruins took care of just a few months ago. I'm not convinced they really got that much better.
Tampa becomes the closest thing to a super team in the NHL if the Karlsson thing goes through. Toronto is not there yet, I’d say they are about even with the Bruins now. They still have Rob Hainsey playing a top 4 role.
veritas has it right. Don’t over react, stick to the plan. The Bruins are still a top 5 team in the league. You just need a ticket to the dance, a lot can happen in a 7 game series.
I agree with this. Toronto’s Achilles heel was defense primarily and goaltending secondarily. They’ve done nothing to improve that.
I do think they’re better now (I’ve always been super high on Tavares) but a fatal flaw is still a fatal flaw.
The X factor for me is Cassidy. I think he needs to coach better than he did in the playoffs. Hopefully he improves next season.
Looks like the Karlsson to Tampa trade hit a major detour, so let’s not go giving up the division just yet. Dallas seems to be alive, and Shawn Simpson of TSN has issued an apology for yesterday’s tweet.
I agree with the Fl4w, let’s not go giving up the division just yet. The Bruins are still one of the better teams in hockey and have elite young talent competing for their open slots. They should be a playoff team barring injuries, and should compete overall for a cup. It’s important to remember where things were at last year. Washington was going into a quasi rebuilding year and won it all, and they beat an expansion team expected to miss the playoffs to do it.
I’m fine with where they are at, and don’t think they need to force anything to react to Tavares.
Vegas Golden Knights re-sign defenseman Colin Miller, 4 years - $15.5 million
Link to story: https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2018/07/07/golden-knights-get-good-value-in-miller-extension/
Wow, that feels like a great deal for Vegas.
Benefits of no state tax, great weather, and a team that just won the Western Conference. Guys take less to stay.
I've always been a Colin Miller stan, but what the hell is everyone talking about here? If this is a great value deal, then letting him go in the expansion draft is a worse decision than the Rinaldo trade. Because he was the same player last year that he was in 2016-17
They just got a 25 year old, 40 pt possession dominant until he's 30 for less than $4 mil per. How is that not a great deal?
It’s definitly not a bad deal. He was an RFA though, so it’s kinda market value for that situation. I agree he is a very good hockey player. I guess my point was more, the Bruins really fucked up here. They let him go for free while he clearly had a ton of value.
Ok, sorry misunderstood your point. Yes, they definitely fucked that call up.
I would’ve protected Colin over Kevan, but ultimately I think the problem was that an acquiring team for Colin would’ve needed a protection spot open for him. He’s a fringe 3-4 in my opinion, I don’t know how many teams had spots open to trade for him and also be able to protect him.
I agree. That was the conundrum. They weren't going to be able to trade him. They chose Kevan and I get why, i just thought it was the wrong call then and now.
That's because my post sucked, not your fault. I think at the end of the day, based on letting him go, and the guys they constantly played over him, they just drastically underrated his game
Kucherov signed a 8-year, $76 million extension with Tampa.
That is crazy good for Tampa. Now they will dump Callahan and fit in Karlsson at a reasonable number.
Assuming the Lightning get Karlsson in on a $12m AAV extension, with Miller and Foote / picks heading out to OTT and Callahan to NYR respectively (among I'm sure a bunch of other pieces), they are absolutely stacked up.
RFA salary assumptions:
Brayden Point: $5.3m AAV, 4 years
Cédric Paquette: $1.75m AAV, 2 years
Slater Koekkoek: $1.4m AAV, 2 years
Jake Dotchin: $1m AAV, 2 years
Adam Erne: $800k AAV, 2 years
$1.83m for the Matt Carle buyout
Palat - Johnson - Kucherov
Killorn - Stamkos - Point
Paquette - Cirelli - Stephens
XX - Erne - XX
Hedman - Karlsson
Sergachev - McDonagh
Koekkoek - Dotchin
That puts them at $78.55m with enough room to add 2 fourth-line JAGs, a 13th forward, and a 7th defenseman, assuming the cap goes up $1-2m again. The silver lining is Sergachev is up after next year but they'll likely just move Killorn to fit him. Fuck.
Unfortunately Yzerman the GM is every bit as good as Yzerman the player. Ugh.
I bet they get Karlsson for less than $12mm.
That has to be the best top 4D since Neidemeyer and Pronger were both on Anaheim. It could be one of the best defenses ever, depending on how well Karlsson meshes with Hedman. In an ideal world, he’d play with McDonagh.
With no state income tax you're probably right.
Radical salary cap idea that would never happen: normalize the salary cap per team by combined the state / provincial income taxes for the median NHL salary per year.
I.e. if Florida is 15% below the mean for total income taxes, multiply the lower and upper cap limits for the Lightning & Panthers by 0.85. Conversely, for a team like Toronto / NYR - on second thought...
Looks like Pacioretty is done in MTL.
I hope they screw this up so bad he leaves for nothing.
It's a non-zero amount, but aren't they taxed at the rate in which they play the game? So they'd only play half their games at home, and are taxed at whatever rate the state/province where the other 41 games are played?
FWIW, I live in Tampa and most people down heee think Sergachev is gone in any potential karlsson deal
That was my thinking as well initially - but I think Dorion gets backed into a corner and fucks this up