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Joe Posnanski: your new Senior Writer for SI (Not No More, He Ain't)

Discussion in 'Our Errors are Mistakes: The Media Forum' started by John Marzano Olympic Hero, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    If you're not reading this blog, then shame on you. It's quite possibly the best baseball blog out there (with apologies to the House that Dewey Built and Jose's Keys to the Game). Anyway, whether you're a fan of Bob Knight or not (I think he's an ass) he has some interesting things to say about baseball and he seems to know his stuff. Check it out (and make the site one of your favorites):

    Joe Posnanski's Awesome Baseball Blog
     
  2. JohntheBaptist

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    Not to hijack too much, but the article immediately preceding it, on Chief Wahoo, was fantastic.

    Love Posnanski.
     
  3. Maalox

    Maalox full of shit, and proud of it Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    No, it was stupid. And wrong. And not very impressive intellectually. Sportswriters should not think - they suck at it.

    Bobby Knight, by contrast, has a brain in his head, the real work of which he does not choke to death by thinking.

    And that's basically why everything Knight says is insightful and everything Posnanski says is pabulum. Opposites that work contrapuntally.
     
  4. JohntheBaptist

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    No, it was awesome. And right. And fairly well presented. Good sportswriters should think, and Posnanski's a good sportswriter.

    This is fun, let's keep doing this.
     
  5. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    I agree with John, for years I've been thinking that Indians were being too sensative about the Chief Wahoo thing, but Posnanski's blog has turned me around. I thought that he made his points in a rational, well-thought-out manner.
     
  6. Fratboy

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    Joe's one of the top 5 sportswriters in the country. I've read the blog since Olney (or was it Neyer) pointed it out. Excellent stuff.
     
  7. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Posnanski's blog is a must-read for sports Web surfers. He doesn't always hit a home run, but he's always readable. His self-deprecation is a welcome change from the Neyers and Caples and others who are so insecure that they have to stress how right they are all the time.

    I'd disagree slightly with BANZAI!!! here about the Knight give and take, only in that Knight's coherency on this topic came about because Posnanski asked him the right questions ... questions that Knight didn't deem beneath his dignity to answer. The result was that the answers were intriguing.

    I especially liked the answer to the Wake question, because Knight is absolutely correct. You can make the right choice and still not have it work out the way you'd want. That doesn't make it the wrong decision.
     
  8. dirtynine

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    Today's take on the game was very well done.
     
  9. Smiling Joe Hesketh

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    I changed the title of the thread, because I think Posnanski's a fantastic writer and he's getting some traction around here.
     
  10. JayMags71

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    While the arguements you present on this board can be well written and well intentioned, it is these arguements that are less so.

    You owe it to yourself to explain why you're lining up against Ponanski, and aside one of the more loathsome characters in American sport of this era. Honestly, Knight is right next to Don King and SIAS in my book, under the category of "people whose painful death in a fire would cause me great joy".
     
  11. Drocca

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    Thanks for pointing this guy out. Excellent stuff.
     
  12. Sea Dog

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    I've always read Posnanski, since when he first joined the KC Star years ago, when I grew up there. But I never knew he had a blog. Thanks for providing the link, I've bookmarked it.

    And that was a great column on Chief Wahoo.
     
  13. esaskysinnerear

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    If you have time, go back and read some of his archived blogs on this site... http://thesoulofbaseball.blogspot.com/


    All good, interesting stuff for baseball fans... I managed to procrastinate for almost an entire day reading these.


    EIE
     
  14. Uncle Mumford

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    In all sincerity, I am curious to know what, specifically, BANZAI!!! thinks is stupid, wrong and intellectually unimpressive about the Chief Wahoo column.
     
  15. TheRooster

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    You realize that there is organized death in King's past, right? And are you aware of how his ex-fighters end up? Poor and often in ill-health. Whereas Knight's players generally end up doing quite well in the proverbial game of life. Few people have a worse track record than Don King and Knight is unquestionably not one of them.
     
  16. rembrat

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    Yesterday, Joe took a light jab at Dave O’Brien for a comment he made in Game 4 of the WS. O’Brien defended himself and Joe was cool enough to post it. I enjoyed reading that.
     
  17. Freddy Linn

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    Posnanski is the shiznit. From his latest here.


    These types of stories - when one sports celebrity brings down another - are the pearls of what they call journalism/sports reporting today.
     
  18. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    I agree. I love reading anecdotes like this because it humanizes the players. Listening to Dan Marino robotically spout cliches every week into a reporter's microphone doesn't really do anything for me.

    But whether the story shows the player in good or bad light, that makes the player more human to me. I actually don't think that Marino was being a complete dick in this, BTW. If I was playing golf with a guy and a reporter was buzzing around, I'd be a little pissed too. However, that doesn't mean that I disagree with Posnanski either. It's more on Daly than anything, I guess.
     
  19. drleather2001

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    Maybe, but I think the fact that Marino was so tactless ("Hey, I paid a huge sum, one that you could never afford doing the job you're trying to do right now, to play with this guy. Fuck off.") speaks to his character more than the fact that he was irritated. If he had a problem with it, he should have taken it up with Daly, as Joe was Daly's guest.
     
  20. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    Leather, I completely agree with you and I wasn't trying to take Marino off the hook, but I'm thinking that Daly and Posnanski were talking/conducting the interview as the other three guys in the foursome were hitting their shots. That was probably annoying and if that was what Marino was talking about, then I agree with him ... there is a time and a place for interviews.

    However, if Marino was bitching just to be a bitch then all bets are off.
     
  21. Redkluzu

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    I read Posnanski daily and his dry wit really is the best. From today Joe talks about going to the St. Louis Baseball Writers’ Dinner and guess who was there?

    "Bud Selig didn’t really say anything especially newsworthy other than, not sure if you know this, baseball is really popular right now. The most newsworthy Bud moment happened when Mike Shannon said that, like Harry Truman, Bud would not be appreciated until after he retired. In fact, he would be remembered as the greatest commissioner in baseball, maybe the greatest commissioner ever in sports. Without commenting on that, I will say Bud somehow managed to get out of snow-and-misery covered Wisconsin to attend the banquet, so good on him."
     
  22. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    I thought that it was interesting that Ozzie Smith and Tony LaRusa were there. I asked him about it in the comments section (also, I asked about Marino).
     
  23. Redkluzu

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    Did you see today's hysterical column where Joe writes a news story as through the Royal got Santana? Go here

    Some of the funniest parts --

    "Over the last few weeks, several teams — in particular the New York Yankees, Mets and Boston Red Sox — have been rumored to be close to acquiring Santana, so it would be quite a coup for the “small-market” Royals to beat them to the bunch. As one scout who would prefer to remain anonymous said on Tuesday when first told about this potential Santana-to-the-Royals trade, 'Are you drinking and taking medication at the same time?'" "Santana would be a very likely candidate to break a few somewhat disheartening trends for Royals starters:

    1. The Royals have not had an 18-game winner in 15 years. Santana has won more than 18 twice.
    2. The Royals have not had a pitcher strike out 160 batters in a season since 1997. Santana has struck out more than 200 batters each of the last four seasons.
    3. He would not suck, as many Royals starters have over the last decade-plus.

    Commissioner Bud Selig was not available for comment about this potential trade, but two days earlier, when speaking to the St. Louis Baseball Writers Dinner, he did say that competitive balance in baseball was at an all-time high and that he expected the game to only get more balanced. This would prove that point, wouldn’t it? Selig also announced publicly, without any prodding at all, that baseball is popular."
     
  24. JodyReedFan

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    I just recently discovered this guys blog. It's fantastic. He's got a style of writing that's hard to find these days! Great stuff.
     
  25. Hildy

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    This blog has become my morning fix--terrific writing, and the ability to pique my curiousity about Skyline Chili.
     
  26. Redkluzu

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    Hildy, I hail from Cincy, home of Skyline Chili. It's not like your Texas variety which is hot, hotter and hottest, but spicy seasoned beef with spaghetti, beans, cardomon and cinnamon! The city loves it and along with White Castles, another Cincy fixture, makes for real chili pride.
     
  27. Redkluzu

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    Faulkner might say today we lay dying, but Posanski has a typical gem at the end of his SB post today -- here


    "One more tidbit from this Super Bowl — you'll love this. A few minutes after the game ended, I got an email from a public relations firm. The headline was: "Patriots' loss is win for children and families in need."

    You may ask: How could that be? Well, it turns out that some place called World Visions has received hundreds and hundreds of Patriots T-shirts, hats and stuff and they are sending those to families in need in Nicaragua, Romania and several other countries. This is a very kind thing to do, and I am not in any way shape or form trying to mock this charitable effort. But I have to say, I cannot help but smile thinking that there will be kids in Nicaragua walking around with "World Champion Patriots" T-shirts. It just seems right."


    And then there are those Nascar guys with the advertisements all over their uniforms that showed up, just when I was thinking we were getting a litle less crass commercialism than usual in the SB ads.
     
  28. MannysDestination

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    Joe is really unbelievably good. A true oasis in the desert that is sports writing these days.

    While credit goes to Neyer for introducing me to him, the following entries should be required reading for any/all baseball fans. He's really on a roll lately:

    http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/10/stats-i-like/

    http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/09...-and-true-wins/

    http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/08/a-poetry-break/

    (Ok, that last one isn't necessarily "required reading", but anyone who rails Drew Berrymore for any amount of time gets a big thumbs up in my book)

    Anyone who follows the Royals passionately is clearly a baseball superfan. He really loves the game and it shows. Anyone who follows the Royals passionately is also clearly a cynic and masochist, with a little bit of undying hope sprinkled in.
     
  29. Redkluzu

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    Check out yesterday's post. No one like Joe can sock it to you. Look how brilliantly he deals with Pete Rose,Bruce Springsteen, the Cincy Reds and aging in his April 28th post here

    A snippet:


     
  30. Guinevere

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    He was actually in Boston last night for Lester's no-no. His regular column has a terrific take:

    Joe Knows

    ETA:

    And now his blog is up, discussing yesterday. Again, He Gets it Right
     
  31. Redkluzu

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    His blog today does have some amazing writing, as always. Some of my fav parts:

    So few words for so many memories--


     
  32. InsideTheParker

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    He seems to count Pedro's "no-hitter."
    Kansas City Star 5/20/08
     
  33. Guinevere

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    I noticed that as well. Under the '91 rule change, it couldn't be counted because he gave up a hit in the 10th. "An official no-hit game occurs when a pitcher (or pitchers) allows no hits during the entire course of a game, which consists of at least nine innings."
     
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  35. Redkluzu

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    IMO, this is a pretty fascinating look from Joe about how Albert Pujols is underrated by GMs. In a discussion of Heyman's SI article, players to build your team around from the GM perspective, he makes his case. This was, of course, before Joba's injury etc etc. First he gives us the rankings (this has probably been posted elsewhere but I thought I'd include it for a refresher):
    Then he makes his case about Pujols being better than ARod this year.


    He goes on to say he doesn't get why GMs wouldn't see this and put Pujols in their top 5 since he considers him "the player of this generation":
    Thoughts?
     
  36. URI

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    Well, other than ARod, who has been called the best player in baseball rightly or wrongly forever, all the players listed above Pujols are up the middle players, so I'm not sure I'm that surprised.

    The one thing I am surprised at is Hanley, since he can't play shortstop...the annoying things about these polls is that we don't get much analysis of them from the people that vote...I would love to hear if they are just picking Hanley, or if they are picking him with the knowledge that eventually he's going to have to move, or his value is mitigated.

    For the record, I would probably take Longoria, with Pujols second.
     
  37. Nator

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    That's obviously an incomplete analysis, as it doesn't take into account his intangibles. :rolling:
     
  38. maufman

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    First, let me wash Posnanski's balls a little. My friend in KC introduced me to him a few years ago. He's a great baseball writer-- probably the best among those who still write for traditional media outlets (i.e., newspapers and magazines). The Soul of Baseball, which is the story of Posnanski's travels with Buck O'Neil during (what turned out to be) the final year of O'Neil's life, is imo the best book written about baseball since Ball Four.

    As for Pujols, Joe is 100% right. He's widely regarded, by scouts and statheads alike, as the best defensive first baseman in the game. In this decade, he's obviously the best hitter not named Barry Bonds-- A-Rod has only two seasons where he equalled or surpassed Pujols's career OPS+. And unlike A-Rod, no one has said a cross word about Pujols's off-field demeanor. And Pujols is only 28 years old. The only plausible reason for the results of the GM poll is that most of them think Pujols's lingering elbow issues will eventually result in a catastrophic injury, from which he won't recover fully. I hope they're wrong.
     
  39. Euclis20

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    I ordered it from Amazon a few weeks ago (haven't read it yet, I'm a couple books behind) after seeing the current price:

    http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Baseball-Throug...NCM/ref=ed_oe_h
     
  40. Redkluzu

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    As a writer, I can tell you -- grab this book now if you want it. It's being "remaindered" most likely, but once Amazon dumps a bunch of the books, the price may go back to the original. It's happened to me.


    Uri -- Remy would probably agree with you since I notice he's been singing Langoria's praises a lot
     
  41. Mad Johnny

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    From what I've seen, Longoria is going to a be a special player. However, it's important to note that Pujols already is one while Longoria is still a rookie (a fuckin good one to be sure). It's a shame he doesn't get the praise he deserves enough because he doesn't play for the Red Sox or the MFY. I love Youk, but really, Pujols is lightyears better than him in every conceivable way.

    EDIT: Joe Posnanski fuckin kicks ass.
     
  42. URI

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    Talk about an understatement...

    Anyway, I would pick Longoria because of contract/age reasons...not because Poo Holes isn't a better player right now.
     
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  44. Rudi Fingers

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    Absolutely deserved. I am halfway through reading Posnanski's The Soul of Baseball - let me add to the chorus telling you it's an absolute must buy at $5.98 for the hardcover at the link Euclis20 posted above.
     
  45. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    I had a feeling he was going to SI. Good for him.
     
  46. Mad Johnny

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    This is great news for SI, and Joe Pos.
     
  47. johnmd20

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    Absolutely good for him. His blog is fantastic, informative, and hilarious.
     
  48. pedros hairstylist

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    This guy's actually too good to be just a newspaper sportswriter so good for him. Actually, I hope he gets enough financial security from this that he can find time to do more books...am pretty sure he's got a few good ones in him.
     
  49. Redkluzu

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    Truly one of the great sports writers today IMO. Thrilled for Joe for his new Wednesday gig and glad his blog will stay as is, a part of Kansas City's soul.

    Here's what I loved from today. As a writer, I think his passion, use of language, ability to pull as along is just what he admired in Deford:

     
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    Today's entry

    Good blog today, hits on all sorts of random stuff!
     

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