Jimmy Butler wants out? To play with Kyrie?
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Pass. I'd rather replace Kyrie with Kemba than pay Butler the max when we have Jaylen on his rookie deal.
I would not trade Jaylen Brown for Jimmy Butler. Brown is 7 years younger, cheaper, and already a better shooter than Butler. Butler is a great defender and technically a more efficient scorer (Butler gets to the line more and is a much better FT shooter) but the Celtics are built for the long haul and over the next half-dozen years, Brown makes a lot more sense for this organization. If we are not giving up Jaylen in the trade, what are we giving up? The Kings pick? Memphis pick? Terry? Boston already has three potential All-Star wings on the roster, they don't desperately need a fourth.
If Davis wants out, now is the time to do it while the league's power is shifting. He's not going to win in NO. He's going to need to let Danny know his intentions because the Celtics window is now.
AD can't come to Boston until Kyrie gets his new contract due to the Rose Rule.
I would trade Brown for Butler if it’s conditioned that Kyrie stays here. Otherwise, the Celtics are screwed for next season if they extend Smart and Kyrie leaves.
But, seriously, the NBA has a big issue to address. This is stupid.
But, seriously, the NBA has a big issue to address. This is stupid.
If I'm the Spurs, I try to trade Kawhi to Minnesota for Butler and lobby hard to sign Kyrie next summer with the cap space.
Or is traded in a deal directly for Davis or if Kyrie is traded in any other deal for that matter before trading for Davis.
It's turning into a version of NCAA football---haves and have nots. 95% of the top recruits flood the P5 schools, everyone else is playing for a bowl game in a warm weather locale.
And turns 29 in September. No way on trading Jaylen for him. Of course, if they wanted to listen to an Irving/filler/picks for Towns/Teague deal...
Might not be a bad idea, but Minnesota can probably get a better long term return if Butler is on the market.
Not without hitting the luxury tax. I thought Butler had two years left before hitting FA. I gotta renege, sorry Jaylen. Please stay.
I had heard so much conflicting information about the Rose rule, the NBA is so unnecessarily complex. Just tell Minnesota they can keep Butler and trade Towns 
Yeah he strikes me as a pretty old 29 despite playing a few years of college ball.
But anyway, this means the team needs to go all-in this year. This report indicates Kyrie is done here after this year, and once he's gone the window is closed.
If they don’t extend Smart, they should be able to afford another max next year if Kyrie leaves. It will be very close. Al could also opt out and agree to a deal that helps out.
I don’t think the report says that he’s definitively leaving after this year and I don’t think him leaving closes any window.
If they keep Rozier and Kyrie gives every indication he's leaving after this year, then play Rozier more (it also saves Kyrie's knee for the playoff run), which will let him improve even more. Then when Kyrie leaves, Rozier replaces him. He's NOT as good as Kyrie, but Rozier with another year of improvement is a pretty darned good replacement.
And this team without Hayward and Kyrie almost made it to the NBA finals.
You seem to have weirdly pessimistic view of this team. They have a LONG window, Kyrie or no.
I love Kyrie and want him running the show for the next 5 years. But if Hayward returns at 100% and Tatum develops offensively as expected, you can make the argument that Kyrie is the most replaceable of the starting 5 given salary and the depth of the PG position around the league.
This is also a lot of sound and fury over one anonymous report.
Yeah, I totally agree with the idea that Jaylen has almost no chance to get as good as Kawhi, but becoming Jimmy Butler isn't at all far-fetched. With age/injury, there's even some chance Jaylen is better that'll Butler this year, even if he's still a long way from peak Butler.
Re Kyrie: his current state of mind isn't that relevant. So much will change in the next 12 months that even if he were incredibly jazzed about the Celtics now, it wouldn't matter a ton.
Putting aside the merits of this report, I am officially gassed by the “Elite Baller As Quasi-GM” approach that has been gaining steam since The Decision.
Like, I get that great players want to play with other great players. I also imagine it must be frustrating to be the one elite guy on a dysfunctional franchise. And, I suspect the Celtics bear some responsibility for starting all this with the KG trade.
Even still, I find players plotting their escape and designing super teams years away from free agency to be more than a little distasteful. It would be one thing if the NBA treated players like cattle. But really, they don’t.
Like, I get that great players want to play with other great players. I also imagine it must be frustrating to be the one elite guy on a dysfunctional franchise. And, I suspect the Celtics bear some responsibility for starting all this with the KG trade.
Even still, I find players plotting their escape and designing super teams years away from free agency to be more than a little distasteful. It would be one thing if the NBA treated players like cattle. But really, they don’t.
It is not new. Kareem forced his way to LA, Shaq too. Wilt on the other hand labored under some shitty circumstances and some awful coaches.
Sure but did they conspire with their buddies to do it? That’s what I’m talking about.
Fake edit: interestingly, my iPhone tried to autocorrect “to do” to Rondo. Hmm...
Fake edit: interestingly, my iPhone tried to autocorrect “to do” to Rondo. Hmm...
Would you say the players are "uppity"?
Edit: sorry, that's not fair. But I do think that if you like rooting for laundry, the NBA probably isn't the league for you.
I would agree but we’re not too far from that. The Warriors are obviously above everyone but they were a Paul hamstring injury from potentially being taken out. The Celtics are basically a superteam given the development of Tatum and Brown. LA isn’t there yet but they will be adding some real talent in the next year. Philly is basically one piece away from having a super team. Houston will continue to be very good, especially if Capela returns.
I agree with this. Unfortunately, losing Ariza takes the Rockets a step back, as does Paul's aging. I think Philly is likely to remain that one piece away. The Celtics definitely seemed poised to fill that 2nd super team spot, and they match up really really well with GSW. I guess once LeBron fills out the Lakers and Philly gets another piece we could have incredibly compelling basketball a year or so from now.
Crazy to think about, the Barkley/KJ/Majerle Suns who were a fantastic Finals team probably couldn’t compete in today’s NBA.
The owners are just as responsible for the player collusion to form "superteams" as the players are. The owners wanted to shorten the length of contracts. The owners also agreed to a regime in which it is much more lucrative for players to wait until free agency to get paid, as opposed to signing extensions with their current teams.
C'mon they could have a "death" lineup of KJ, Marjerle, Ceballos and Chambers with Barkley at the 5.
