JDM is signed-5 years, 110 mil

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BigPapiMPD34

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So we all get a degree in Negotiations 101 after this offseason, right? What a stare-down contest that was between arguably the most experienced GM and most experienced agent.
 

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I’m guessing it’s a 5 year deal guaranteed with close to the original money offered with a player option and some built-in production bonuses.
If it's 5/$125m with an opt out after 2 or 3 we can agree that it will be a pretty heavy blink out of DD though, right?

Can't imagine an opt out won't be in the mix. But I wasn't imagining an hour ago that DD would actually blink here either I guess.
 

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Thank god I couldn’t take another day of speculation lol. Hope the terms are favorable
 

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So, does this lead to any other moves or do the Sox just go forward with four outfielders and platooning Hanley and JD when he's not in the outfield?
 

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Sources: J.D. Martinez’s deal with Red Sox is 5 years and includes an opt-out. @MLBNetwork @MLB


It’s a five-year deal and Martinez can opt out after two years
 

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The opt out leak to reporters comes from Boras, right? If he didn’t mention dollars that’s probably good news. He wouldn’t miss an opportunity to strut.
 

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My guess: JDM signs by Thursday noon, 5/110 (22 each yr), with an opt-out after two years. JDM gets security and the chance to re-test the market at age 32 and does not have to take a pillow contract and compete in the 2018 FA market.
Waiting on the $ numbers.
 

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If it's 5/$125m with an opt out after 2 or 3 we can agree that it will be a pretty heavy blink out of DD though, right?

Can't imagine an opt out won't be in the mix. But I wasn't imagining an hour ago that DD would actually blink here either I guess.
How can we agree on that when we don’t know what he offered from day 1? He was asking for 7/$200 or whatever and settles for 5/$125 with a likely to be exercised opt out, DD certainly won.
 

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5/110M is great. The only issue is that if and when he opts out after 2 years, the AAV will need to be recalculated. But at least it would only look back 2 years (2018/2019) and those are years in which the Sox already know they will be in luxury tax territory.

Maybe they will plan to stay under 237M this year, while accounting for the potential opt-out adjusted AAV?
 

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So, it’s basically going to be 2/50 if he’s good and 5/110 if he isn’t? Is that what the reporting suggests? Meh.
 

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So Boras got 100 million less than he initially asked for.
It’s not over until it’s over. This sounds like a 2/50 deal, with a $110 million guarantee for injury or regression. If he’s still good at 31, there is another contract out there for him.
 

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About that opt out...

Projected top free agents in 2020 include Altuve, Goldschmidt, Ozuna, Arenado, Felix, Pollock, Carrasco, Bumgarner, Khris Davis, and Abreu.

Our own FA include Sale, Bogaerts, Moreland, Sandoval, Nunez, Porcello, Workman, Holt, Hanley if the option vests, and JDM if he opts out.
 

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It’s not over until it’s over. This sounds like a 2/50 deal, with a $110 million grantee for injury or regression. If he’s still good at 31, there is another contract out there for him.
I'll take it. Paying a position less slugger shouldn't have to be expensive anyhow.
 

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It’s not over until it’s over. This sounds like a 2/50 deal, with a $110 million guarantee for injury or regression. If he’s still good at 31, there is another contract out there for him.
He’s 31 in August so he better be good at 31.
 

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It’s not over until it’s over. This sounds like a 2/50 deal, with a $110 million guarantee for injury or regression. If he’s still good at 31, there is another contract out there for him.
...after Harper and Machado reset the market.

That two year span lines up well with our contention window, so I'm not too broken up about the opt out, if it allowed Dombrowski to hold the line on AAV.
 

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Over the past four seasons, JDM has been as effective a hitter as Stanton or Harper, albeit without the defense, or even Ortiz. In other words, we're getting a top-5 hitter that replaces our missing power, and we are paying less than the Yankees did for the same caliber hitter (albeit one that is two years older).


Given the baffling deal the Padres just signed for Hosmer, whose likely performance is somewhere between Wil Myers and Mitch Moreland, If we get JDM for 5/125 or 6/150, I'll be happy.
Last 4 years, outfielders only, sorted by offensive WAR:

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Stanton is two years younger and not a complete liability in the field, but on the other side of the coin he does have $295m remaining guaranteed, opt out after 3 years and a full no trade.
 

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...after Harper and Machado reset the market.

That two year span lines up well with our contention window, so I'm not too broken up about the opt out, if it allowed Dombrowski to hold the line on AAV.
Reset the market yes but they would also presumably take a lot of money off the table.
 

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He’s 31 in August so he better be good at 31.
Oops, right. He’ll have the option at 32.

Options suck. He will only take it if he is worth less than 3/60, or whatever it is. For the Sox, this is a two-year deal with downside.
 

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Oops, right. He’ll have the option at 32.

Options suck. He will only take it if he is worth less than 3/60, or whatever it is. For the Sox, this is a two-year deal with downside.
Not this again please

If opt outs keep players motivated so we don’t end up with another Sandoval or Crawford I’m good with it
 

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Last 4 years, outfielders only, sorted by offensive WAR:

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Stanton is two years younger and not a complete liability in the field, but on the other side of the coin he does have $295m remaining guaranteed, opt out after 3 years and a full no trade.
Stanton has as much chance of opting out as the Russians have to stop cheating in the Olympics and tinkering with elections.
 

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Oops, right. He’ll have the option at 32.

Options suck. He will only take it if he is worth less than 3/60, or whatever it is. For the Sox, this is a two-year deal with downside.
Yeah I’m not looking to delve into the opt out debate again, but if he mashes for two years and leaves to get a big ticket at 33+, all good. I want nothing to do with him at that age and if he’s option out, it’s because he hit well. Let someone else pay for his decline.

I was against him from jump street, or at least on the fence, but this is easily the best they could have hoped for.
 

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Not this again please

If opt outs keep players motivated so we don’t end up with another Sandoval or Crawford I’m good with it
What is the again?

I’m just saying if you want to characterize the deal properly, it is a 2 year, $50 million deal, with the player guaranteed an additional $60 million for injury or regression.

We can argue that’s good or bad. To me, a $60 million guarantee is a lot to pay to motivate a guy who just signed for 2/50. I hope he’s great for two years. At least we get an exclusive window if he is.
 

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What is the again?

I’m just saying if you want to characterize the deal properly, it is a 2 year, $50 million deal, with the player guaranteed an additional $60 million for injury or regression.

We can argue that’s good or bad. To me, a $60 million guarantee is a lot to pay to motivate a guy who just signed for 2/50. I hope he’s great for two years. At least we get an exclusive window if he is.
What would a 'good' JDM deal have looked like to you, mate?
 

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Oops, right. He’ll have the option at 32.

Options suck. He will only take it if he is worth less than 3/60, or whatever it is. For the Sox, this is a two-year deal with downside.
If he ends up walking, the Sox will, at least, have gotten a bargain during the first two years. If he doesn't, at least Pablo will be off of the books by then.

I can see this being a better deal for Boston than whatever the price would have been on a straight 5 or 6 year deal.
 
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