These two have a history back to the Thrashers/Bolts days in the SE division.MiracleOfO2704 said:
I forget specifics but it was always good times.
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I forget specifics but it was always good times.
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Did they ever give a reason why its NOT reviewable? I went through the video review rules on NHL.com and couldn't find anything that would stop them from reviewing this. Particularly damning:soxhop411 said:
Basically, while a lot of specific stuff is written in that is reviewable, that last section sounds like a "get it right" clause. If that is the case, sounds like the "not reviewable" statement is more like "oops we f'ed up" damage control.
timlinin8th said:
Only the scoring aspect of the play is reviewable. There is no question that the puck fully crossed the goal line. The puck legitimately entered the goal through the opening in front, the puck was not kicked, it was not played with a high stick, there was no intent to blow the whistle, etc... From a hockey perspective, it was absolutely a "good hockey goal" on the ice.
Every single reviewable circumstance in the rulebook* refers whether or not the puck itself was legitimately scored. The goal off Quick's back, in fact, was a good hockey goal. There was nothing illegal about it that the Red Wings did that could be undone. The only part that should have made it not a goal was that it deflected off the netting. However, this is a game flow issue, not a goal scoring issue. Game flow calls cannot be reviewed, nor have them every been reviewable. It's the same reason why (e.g.) an offside breakaway/goal can't be reviewed. This is why delay of game penalties that actually clip the glass (common) can't be reviewed. It's the same reason a hand pass can't be reviewed. Even though all of these things can lead directly to a goal, the only thing the goal judge can rule on is whether the puck cross the goal line legitimately. In that game, it did.
* - Rule 38.4 for reference:
38.4 Situations Subject to Video Review - The following situations are subject to review by the Video Goal Judge:
(i) Puck crossing the goal line.
(ii) Puck in the net prior to the goal frame being dislodged.
(iii) Puck in the net prior to, or after expiration of time at the end of the period.
(iv) Puck directed or batted into the net by a hand or foot. With the use of a foot/skate, was a distinct kicking motion evident? If so, the apparent goal must be disallowed. A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION is one which, with a pendulum motion, the player propels the puck with his skate into the net. If the Video Goal Judge determines that it was put into the net by an attacking player using a distinct kicking motion, it must be ruled NO GOAL. This would also be true even if the puck, after being kicked, deflects off any other player of either team and then into the net. This is still NO GOAL. See also 49.2.
(v) Puck deflected directly into the net off an Official.
(vi) Puck struck with a high-stick, above the height of the crossbar, by an attacking player prior to entering the goal. The determining factor is where the puck makes contact with the stick. If the puck makes contact with the stick below the level of the crossbar and enters the goal, this goal shall be allowed.
(vii) To establish the correct time on the official game clock, provided the game time is visible on the Video Goal Judge’s monitors.
(viii) The video review process shall be permitted to assist the referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are “good hockey goals”). For example (but not limited to), pucks that enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the net from underneath the net frame, pucks that enter the net undetected by the referee, etc.
(i) Puck crossing the goal line.
(ii) Puck in the net prior to the goal frame being dislodged.
(iii) Puck in the net prior to, or after expiration of time at the end of the period.
(iv) Puck directed or batted into the net by a hand or foot. With the use of a foot/skate, was a distinct kicking motion evident? If so, the apparent goal must be disallowed. A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION is one which, with a pendulum motion, the player propels the puck with his skate into the net. If the Video Goal Judge determines that it was put into the net by an attacking player using a distinct kicking motion, it must be ruled NO GOAL. This would also be true even if the puck, after being kicked, deflects off any other player of either team and then into the net. This is still NO GOAL. See also 49.2.
(v) Puck deflected directly into the net off an Official.
(vi) Puck struck with a high-stick, above the height of the crossbar, by an attacking player prior to entering the goal. The determining factor is where the puck makes contact with the stick. If the puck makes contact with the stick below the level of the crossbar and enters the goal, this goal shall be allowed.
(vii) To establish the correct time on the official game clock, provided the game time is visible on the Video Goal Judge’s monitors.
(viii) The video review process shall be permitted to assist the referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are “good hockey goals”). For example (but not limited to), pucks that enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the net from underneath the net frame, pucks that enter the net undetected by the referee, etc.
That all makes sense. I was reading the "not included to" part of that final clause as being more open but after re-reading it all the stuff defined in that clause are "how the puck enters the net" type reviews. All the illegal "flow" possibilities are defined prior. Thanks.ForceAtHome said:
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Colin Campbell calls Totorella's attempt to get to Flames locker room "both dangerous and an embarrassment to the league,"
Colin Campbell calls Totorella's attempt to get to Flames locker room "both dangerous and an embarrassment to the league,"
Canes with another snow postponement, Flyers called tonight's game, they're playing tomorrow at 6.
Kind of ridiculous with both teams in town and ready to play, and with Carolina having games on Thursday and Friday. If I was the Canes I'd be pissed.
Kind of ridiculous with both teams in town and ready to play, and with Carolina having games on Thursday and Friday. If I was the Canes I'd be pissed.
I'm here outside of Philly (Reading, actually) and it's bad out, but it's certainly not THAT bad. I agree that canceling the game is extreme with both teams already here. That said, the drive from the Philly airport to here at midday was absolutely brutal.
Yea I'm hearing it's pretty nasty, but the cynical d-bag in me is thinking they did it because they don't want to lose 17500 people worth of concessions.The Four Peters said:
I was at a snow game in Hartford in '96 I think, there were probably 750 tops in the building. Including the Black Crows who apparently had a show, were staying at the Sheraton which was attached (yay mall), and had nothing else to do.
CBJ beat the Kings tonight, 5-3 for their 7th straight win. They've climbed into one of the wild card spots in the East.
Also- Good game at MSG tonight. The Isles come back from 2-0 and 3-1 deficits to win 5-3 in regulation. Vanek scored the GWG with about 5 minutes left. The Isles have fought their way back into the playoff discussion.
Edit: I'm no fan of the Canucks, but Kellan Lain has scored for them tonight. Good for him after getting run 2 seconds into his NHL debut in Saturday's fiasco.
Also- Good game at MSG tonight. The Isles come back from 2-0 and 3-1 deficits to win 5-3 in regulation. Vanek scored the GWG with about 5 minutes left. The Isles have fought their way back into the playoff discussion.
Edit: I'm no fan of the Canucks, but Kellan Lain has scored for them tonight. Good for him after getting run 2 seconds into his NHL debut in Saturday's fiasco.
Basically everyone in the east is in it with the exception of Buffalo. I mean it's probably a stretch to say Florida is "in it" but they're only 2 points behind the Isles and they've played 2 less games.
That's 2 straight comeback wins for the Islanders, they were down 3-1 in the 3rd at home on Monday and got the shootout win.
That's 2 straight comeback wins for the Islanders, they were down 3-1 in the 3rd at home on Monday and got the shootout win.
Nathan Horton has 6 pts in 9 games and CBJ is 8-1 since his return. Coincidentally, Bobrovsky has tightened up his game.cshea said:
Edit: fixed Cshea's quote
Did Abdelkader play soccer at MSU? Great use the foot there. Eaves ties it up, 2-2 Red Wings - Hawks almost at the end of 2.
Seabrook with a huge f up in his own corner. Nyquist puts the Red Wings up 4-3 in the middle of the 2nd. Maybe this is why team Canada didn't pick him. Not the Seabrook of old.
It was a very nice goal, and he played really well. Also this streak of theirs basically coincides with his return. They work hard and Bobrovsky is really good (I still say shoot high on him).
The Flyers just finished a stretch of winnable games (@Buff, Nash, NYI, @NYI, Car, @CBJ) and only managed 2 wins. Now they've got something slightly tougher coming (Bruins, Det, @LA, @Ana, @SJ, Col). They way they're playing 1-5 looks like a real possibility and 3-3 would be a miracle. I almost hope they get steamrolled; at least if they're out of it Homer won't trade a 1st for Ray Whitney or something.
The Flyers just finished a stretch of winnable games (@Buff, Nash, NYI, @NYI, Car, @CBJ) and only managed 2 wins. Now they've got something slightly tougher coming (Bruins, Det, @LA, @Ana, @SJ, Col). They way they're playing 1-5 looks like a real possibility and 3-3 would be a miracle. I almost hope they get steamrolled; at least if they're out of it Homer won't trade a 1st for Ray Whitney or something.
The Caps have lost 7 in a row. They've scored 1 or fewer goals in six of those games. Over the seven game losing streak, they have 8 total goals. They're only 4 points back of the current 56 point bar to make the playoffs, but fading quickly. (Come back soon, Ovechkin... hopefully tonight.)
Interestingly, they have just 1 UFA this offseason and that's Grabovski. There has been talk of mutual interest between the Caps and Grabo in signing an extension, so I'm not even sure they'd deal him as a rental. Otherwise, there just aren't that many pieces to deal. Neuvirth could probably be had for a pick to a team in need of goaltending, or John Erskine to a contender in need of a tough depth defenseman.
Otherwise, underperforming forwards Brooks Laich and Martin Erat seem like the other candidates barring a major shake up. Both Laich and Erat have cap hits of $4.5 that extend beyond this year. The Caps seem to still like Laich, whereas Erat has been the odd man out for much of the year despite his uptick in TOI lately. I can't tell if they are finally coming around on him or just showcasing him. After sitting out as a scratch for a handful of games, Erat has returned and averaged 16:00/game over the past four games. Part of that is due to Ovechkin being out, but the increase in minutes began before Ovechkin left the lineup. I don't even know if either Laich or Erat has positive or negative trade value at this point. Laich has just 12 points in 46 games combined between last season and this one. The former ironman has missed 53 of the last 99 games though. He's still a big penalty killer, gets some power play time, and can play all three forward positions in addition to being a team leader. I haven't been enamored with his game this year (nor last), and the downside is that he's owed $4.5 for the next three seasons. Martin Erat has been held off the goal sheet this year, and that giant goose egg is pretty glaring. I believe he has the most games played by a forward without a goal this year. In his 43 games (much of it spent with minimal minutes and on the 4th line), he has 0 goals and 16 assists. His assists are still fourth on the Caps among forwards and fifth overall on the team. I actually like his game, think he is a solid creator, and think he's played pretty well, but other Caps fans seem to disagree/hate him. He's on the books for next year as well, but again, I don't know how much value he has. There's also the question of whether McPhee is willing to deal Erat after giving up a top prospect less than a year ago...
Interestingly, they have just 1 UFA this offseason and that's Grabovski. There has been talk of mutual interest between the Caps and Grabo in signing an extension, so I'm not even sure they'd deal him as a rental. Otherwise, there just aren't that many pieces to deal. Neuvirth could probably be had for a pick to a team in need of goaltending, or John Erskine to a contender in need of a tough depth defenseman.
Otherwise, underperforming forwards Brooks Laich and Martin Erat seem like the other candidates barring a major shake up. Both Laich and Erat have cap hits of $4.5 that extend beyond this year. The Caps seem to still like Laich, whereas Erat has been the odd man out for much of the year despite his uptick in TOI lately. I can't tell if they are finally coming around on him or just showcasing him. After sitting out as a scratch for a handful of games, Erat has returned and averaged 16:00/game over the past four games. Part of that is due to Ovechkin being out, but the increase in minutes began before Ovechkin left the lineup. I don't even know if either Laich or Erat has positive or negative trade value at this point. Laich has just 12 points in 46 games combined between last season and this one. The former ironman has missed 53 of the last 99 games though. He's still a big penalty killer, gets some power play time, and can play all three forward positions in addition to being a team leader. I haven't been enamored with his game this year (nor last), and the downside is that he's owed $4.5 for the next three seasons. Martin Erat has been held off the goal sheet this year, and that giant goose egg is pretty glaring. I believe he has the most games played by a forward without a goal this year. In his 43 games (much of it spent with minimal minutes and on the 4th line), he has 0 goals and 16 assists. His assists are still fourth on the Caps among forwards and fifth overall on the team. I actually like his game, think he is a solid creator, and think he's played pretty well, but other Caps fans seem to disagree/hate him. He's on the books for next year as well, but again, I don't know how much value he has. There's also the question of whether McPhee is willing to deal Erat after giving up a top prospect less than a year ago...
I don't know if this is in the right place but NHL Nerwork killing time showing the Rangers practicing at Yankee Stadium. They interviewed Brian Boyle and his brother, who is straight out of "Boston stereotype" casting. They are both trolling the Yankees. "Yeah for a Sawx fan to stand down here, pretty cool."
Then Boyle: "I'm standing at Second where Robbie Cano plays. Well he's not here anymore, maybe I can brush up they need a second baseman."
Then Boyle: "I'm standing at Second where Robbie Cano plays. Well he's not here anymore, maybe I can brush up they need a second baseman."
Here's the goal that was reversed. Looks to me like Steen's skate pushed against Vanek's skate.
Spacemans Bong said:
I know you're not, but I read that in a Denis Lemieux-style Quebecois accent. I'll stop laughing eventually.
Caps with their first win in 8 games, this one in commanding 5-0 fashion. Ovechkin returned tonight and scored the first goal in addition to a beautiful assist. Holtby recorded the shutout, though Montreal struggled to generate much of anything offensively. At one point the Caps were up 21-3 in shots.
NBCSN's pregame show in LA is painful and horrible and all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly things.
The lone highlight was having the icemaking guru explain the technology, yet they talked all over him.
And now KISS is taking the stage. Quick, somebody alert JMOH.
The lone highlight was having the icemaking guru explain the technology, yet they talked all over him.
And now KISS is taking the stage. Quick, somebody alert JMOH.
Wearing full goalie gear and playing a hockey game in 65-degree weather has to produce twice the ball sweat of wearing a bear suit and waving at customers outside a car wash in Miami in July.
On a not-outdoor game related note, Kari Lehtonen just shut out the Penguins. I guess his last 3 games have seen him allow one goal on about 70 shots.
Maybe Tuukka's gonna get rest in Sochi after all.
Maybe Tuukka's gonna get rest in Sochi after all.
Did the Ducks' equipment department think that they were playing this game in the middle of the woods? Are they trying to alert hunters?
KISS? They couldn't find one LA band to play this? And then they come out and play Detroit Rock City. Amazing.
MiracleOfO2704 said:
When some English pig with no brain say this, for two minutes, you feel shame.
The Rags-Devils game is being delayed due to sun glare, quality of ice, and player safety. No word on how long.
Good times.
Good times.
Both jerseys look sharp, but these red and green Devils jerseys are fantastic. They need to bring them back/make them a regular thing, despite what Lou Lam may think about em.
F the Bronx. Although I have to say 2004 Games 6 and 7 were pretty good "sports moments," Liam.
sachmoney said:
Not a coincidence -- the Devils were the only team to not adopt the chrome design element for the Stadium Series.
Wow, what memories here at the Stadium, this where Ruth played, where Gehrig made that famous speech, where Reggie hit those home runs in the 1977 WS...........oh wait, this is the new Yankee Stadium?
Nevermind...................
Nevermind...................