Tony C said:
But that wasn't the question under discussion. No one should give a shit about anything on any of those shows (and we certainly shouldn't be wasting our time debating it), but he was answering the question as posed.
Jacksonity......or the Knick thread
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But that wasn't the question under discussion. No one should give a shit about anything on any of those shows (and we certainly shouldn't be wasting our time debating it), but he was answering the question as posed.
Marv Albert helping steer Kerr away from the Knicks is a pretty rich comeuppance from a guy forced out as Knicks announcer by Dolan for apparently not being enough of a homer.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/raissman-marv-denies-steered-kerr-knick-job-article-1.1794344
one of the money quotes:
Olbermann was gleefully reported that all the rumored candidates for the Knicks head coaching job will turn it down as well. I doubt that.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/raissman-marv-denies-steered-kerr-knick-job-article-1.1794344
one of the money quotes:
Olbermann was gleefully reported that all the rumored candidates for the Knicks head coaching job will turn it down as well. I doubt that.
Tony C said:
I don't know---if you were a candidate with a bunch of options would you sign up to work for one of the worst owners in all of sports with a weak roster where the foundation guy as an uncertainty?
Jackson taking the job is strange, and looks like an ego and money grab. I grant someone could describe it as contrary to the above---though it's also true that we have no idea if Jackson is any good at the GM/CEO role (we certainly know he's an inner-circle HOF coach, of course) and what his motivations are here.
Ultimately you may be right--NYC, Jackson, lure of getting Carmelo 'over the hump', and a big checkbook may still get them a top guy. But I think there's some tough questions there if you're that candidate too
Yeah, I think that's the more reasoned middle ground. First, the fact that Kerr almost took the Knicks job is indicative that Jackson, at least, has pull. And Brian Shaw is in a bad situation in Denver, so wouldn't be surprised by the rumor that he wants the Knicks job. But, as well, I totally agree that the Knicks situation is hardly the most appealing, due in no small part to their a-hole owner.
Derek Fisher finalizing a 5 year, 25 million dollar deal to become head coach of the Knicks, according to Woj.
It's increasingly looking like Melo is going to take the money and stay in NY, making it crystal clear that winning a title is far from his highest priority, as I was mocked the other day for saying in another thread. Staying in NY gets him the most money, keeps his wife happy (she wanted to stay in NY, from reports), and allows him to continue to be the best player on a team slated for mediocrity at best*.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--after-meeting-with-knicks--carmelo-anthony-aligned-with-team-s-plans-184612252.html
*Unless LeBron is a FA again next summer (possible) and signs in NY then.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--after-meeting-with-knicks--carmelo-anthony-aligned-with-team-s-plans-184612252.html
*Unless LeBron is a FA again next summer (possible) and signs in NY then.
"Joakim Noah, intimately involved in the Bulls' pitch to Anthony, has told several people he believes Anthony will re-sign with the Knicks."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-carmelo-anthony-pau-gasol-spt-0704-20140704,0,5321454.story?track=rss
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-carmelo-anthony-pau-gasol-spt-0704-20140704,0,5321454.story?track=rss
Fans as a whole place wayyyy too much emphasis on another individual relocating their entire family while signing for less money in exchange for a better opportunity to "win" a game. People lose sight that the NBA is a business in the entertainment industry......I doubt many people here would relocate to take less money in exchange for a greater chance at hitting their goal/quota.jon abbey said:
If Melo and his family are happy and comfortable in New York he would be foolish to leave. You don't mess with happy. Good for him if this is the case.
I don't disagree, but glory and praise follows championships, so I think there's also self-interested (in the sense of ego-driven) incentive to move to where championships can be won.
Is it naive to think that Jackson bringing back some professionalism to the Knicks -- both in the sense of his gravitas but I think some pretty smart (albeit necessarily limited) initial moves -- gives Melo some confidence that in 2 years the Knicks could be back in the hunt? Definitely takes some optimism, but the organization does now seem to be in a place that it least gives him the excuse to take the most money/not move etc without apology
Is it naive to think that Jackson bringing back some professionalism to the Knicks -- both in the sense of his gravitas but I think some pretty smart (albeit necessarily limited) initial moves -- gives Melo some confidence that in 2 years the Knicks could be back in the hunt? Definitely takes some optimism, but the organization does now seem to be in a place that it least gives him the excuse to take the most money/not move etc without apology
What's best for Melo is the money and keeping La La happy. He doesn't really care about winning. It's bad for the Knicks, though.
Any pretense that Melo is about winning goes out the window if he signs in NY; it's possibly the single worst roster/cap situation in the league (certainly in bottom five).
Hey, I get it too....if someone offered me that much money I might do the same thing.
Hey, I get it too....if someone offered me that much money I might do the same thing.
Grin&MartyBarret said:
It can be clear, if they don't need to make short-term signings to appease Melo...let's see how things play out.
Best case is the plan the Lakers are currently living with---one gigantic salary and a bunch of flotsam and cap space and hoping someone wants to sign. Knicks are a little better situated (Melo being younger and I suspect with a better rep than Kobe) but it's a plan that is very hard to make work.
PedroKsBambino said:
Well, they don't really have the ability to make short term signings barring a big Stoudemire/Bargnani trade. And the rumors of that all involved the Sixers, who just acquired Jeremy Lin and may have a limit to the amount of money they're willing to pay to expiring guys.
Next season, they'll have Amare, Bargnani, Dalembert, and Ellington expiring. They'll have about $35 million on the books once Melo signs. The cap that season will be about 68 million, if I remember the estimates correctly. They'll also, for once, own their own draft pick. 30 million in cap space and a draft pick gives them plenty of flexibility to build around Carmelo, and there's a solid free agent class next season.
Lin to Philly definitely isn't a done deal, it is contingent on Bosh agreeing to go to HOU and even then this report says PHI isn't sure:
http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/10/jeremy-lin-trade-rockets-76ers
http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/10/jeremy-lin-trade-rockets-76ers
I think that's just posturing by the sixers, trying to squeeze more juice from Lin.
If the Rockets want to move him it's just a question of what they can pick up. I can't see them not being able to do a deal.
Even more so as the mcw backup spot Pierre Jackson was expected to fill is empty after his really unfortunate Achilles injury.
If the Rockets want to move him it's just a question of what they can pick up. I can't see them not being able to do a deal.
Even more so as the mcw backup spot Pierre Jackson was expected to fill is empty after his really unfortunate Achilles injury.
Simmons on Melo. Nice piece, I think:
http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/
http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/
That is definitely Simmons on a good day. Hard to disagree with most of that, except that I don't think the Knicks are necessarily as far away as he does. They are certainly a better near term bet than the Lakers. They seem to finally have good and strong management that has made smart initial moves and a commitment to a system that imposes order both on the type of coach hired, the type of players acquired, and the type of players drafted -- having that in sync is key. They already have some okay complementary players (pretty good success late in the draft) and a star in Anthony, who I think will thrive in the triangle. And after one more year of pain they'll have a ton of cap space -- M. Gasol has been the rumored name, and god knows the logic of his match with the Knicks is hard to argue with, though obviously too many variables to predict any one player...except that it's easy to predict that whomever the money is spent on will be an improvement on Bargnani and Stoudemire. It's hard for me to imagine that 2 years from now they won't be at least a top 4 team in the East. Not exactly top of the peak, but if the rumors of the cap going up significantly again after 2 years, then the Knicks will obviously be willing to spend to it and over it (of course right around then Melo should start his decline....).
Melo has a no-trade clause, and also an opt out for year 5
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11220743/carmelo-anthony-took-less-maximum-contract-new-york-knicks
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11220743/carmelo-anthony-took-less-maximum-contract-new-york-knicks
@Chris_Broussard NYK trade Calderon,Shumpert, & Bargnani to Detroit for Jennings and Monroe.
— BC22 (@truthbc) August 4, 2014
@Chris_Broussard NYK trade Calderon,Shumpert, & Bargnani to Detroit for Jennings and Monroe.
Has anyone else reported this, or is this a fake twitter? Because... what?
— BC22 (@truthbc) August 4, 2014
@Chris_Broussard NYK trade Calderon,Shumpert, & Bargnani to Detroit for Jennings and Monroe.
Has anyone else reported this, or is this a fake twitter? Because... what?
For anyone that's curious, you can now check out Jim Dolan's new song, Under That Hood, an ode to Trayvon Martin. Holy shit, I just wrote that sentence. I honestly feel bad for Knicks fans at this point.
http://deadspin.com/noooope-1634186936
http://deadspin.com/noooope-1634186936
Has been a bit of a downward spiral for the Knickerbockers since the "signature" win against the Cleveland LeBrons to draw to a 1-1 record - now 1-6 since.... two "easy" western conference opponents coming up (Utah and Denver) at home, then 5 of the next 6 on the road, so pressure to win these next two.
Not sure this team's any better than the Lakers. The more I watch, the more I expect a lottery pick. Sure, they should improve as the offense clicks, but there just isn't much talent here. Jose Calderon will help, but the triple post offense just doesn't work when two of the three posts are Samuel Dalembert and Jason Smith.TheYaz67 said:
The good news is, however, that they're set up well for the future. A lottery pick--especially if they can luck into Okafor or Towns--coupled with wise use of their cap space and they can be a playoff team again in a season or two.
Grin&MartyBarret said:
Looking like a nice call (amazingly) on the lottery pick, and no, they are as it turns out not any better than the Lakers (5-15) - Knicks now 4-17, and working on a seven game losing streak. They look defeated and flat out there. Another tough run of games coming up, starting with Portland on Sunday....
The Knicks really are the NBA equivalent to the Jets, they are just the gift that keeps on giving. IDK if it was discussed already, but that Mag piece on Melo owning a whole business team and saying things like
is hilarious. I think it has become pretty clear that Melo doesn't really get it in same sense that guys like Lebron, Kobe, even Durant, get it when it comes to being a dominant superstar and how to really be a champion. He has talent to match those guys, but I don't think he has the basketball awareness to have success like those guys.
is hilarious. I think it has become pretty clear that Melo doesn't really get it in same sense that guys like Lebron, Kobe, even Durant, get it when it comes to being a dominant superstar and how to really be a champion. He has talent to match those guys, but I don't think he has the basketball awareness to have success like those guys.
I think they have only won once since I last posted. Caught a bit of their game yesterday against the Suns - a game they were leading at the half. Just tired looking and uninspired in the second half, a few blown fast breaks/sloppy turnovers, and way too many long jumpers (and 7 for 22 from 3). They don't get blown out a lot (their PS/PA is just -6), but they also seem to often finish poorly and let other bad teams hang around. They will be 5-25 after getting beat by Toronto today, and they have the Wizards and Portland on tap soon after that. I know preseason no one was picking them to be world beaters or anything like that, but I could swear I saw a few pundits picking to the Knicks to at least be a .500 club, so this is ridiculous - they have some talent on the roster, but they must be very frustrating to watch on a regular basis (which I admittedly do not)....
Yep, pretty frustrating. But I'm really not sure how much talent the roaster really has. Outside of Philly, who has less NBA talent? Who is the Knicks second best player? Calderon? Stoudemire's 20 minutes a game? Shumpert who is terribly inconsistent? It's a pretty ugly roster.TheYaz67 said:
Eleven loses in a row now - you have to go back to the 1980's I believe for the last time the Knicks lost that many game in a row. We are also now one Philly win (a team that started 0-18) away from the Knicks having the worst record in the NBA....
Huh.
So, in the end the Knicks turn Shumpert into cap space and a trade exception. Probably not the best package they've been offered for him over the years, but getting rid of JR Smith is worth its weight in gold.
Edit: And a protected 1st from OKC, I guess. Not sure the protections.
So, in the end the Knicks turn Shumpert into cap space and a trade exception. Probably not the best package they've been offered for him over the years, but getting rid of JR Smith is worth its weight in gold.
Edit: And a protected 1st from OKC, I guess. Not sure the protections.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 42m42 minutes ago
Oklahoma City is sending a protected future first-round pick to the New York Knicks, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 16m16 minutes ago
Misinterpreted where OKC's sending its protected first-round pick: It's headed to Cleveland, not New York. Apologize.
Oklahoma City is sending a protected future first-round pick to the New York Knicks, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 16m16 minutes ago
Misinterpreted where OKC's sending its protected first-round pick: It's headed to Cleveland, not New York. Apologize.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 9m9 minutes ago
Carmelo Anthony has been resisting idea of resting that sore knee, but Knicks have been encouraging him to sit, league sources tell Yahoo.
Carmelo Anthony has been resisting idea of resting that sore knee, but Knicks have been encouraging him to sit, league sources tell Yahoo.
