Is Mookie fragile?

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DublinRedSox

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He's beyond talented but he seems very slight in build and sure seems to pick up lots of nagging injuries. Hopefully it's not an issue throughout his career because his talent is off the charts.
 

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I hate the thread policing that seems to happen constantly on this site but this doesn’t seem like a post that needs a new thread.
 

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Yes. He’s fragile. And toolsy.

If only he was scrappy like Pedroia, who only gets hurt because he plays so hard.

But we should be thankful that he’s not uppity, or a head case. Yet.
 

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Mookie became a starting position player on August 18, 2014. This is how many times he's missed multiple games in a row in nearly four years since then:

2 games: 3x (June 13-14, 2015; July 23-24, 2016; Sept 26-27, 2017)
3 games: 2x (April 5-8, 2017; April 29-May 1, 2018)
5 games: 1x (Right now)
11 games: 1x (July 29-Aug 9, 2015)

How do you get "lots of nagging injuries" out of this?
 

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I think he has been sufficiently mocked can we just lock/delete this thread?
 

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Betts did play through some nagging injuries last year that many speculated could have hurt his overall offensive production. But I recall them most being late in the season (thumb injury and a wrist injury).
 

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Betts did play through some nagging injuries last year that many speculated could have hurt his overall offensive production. But I recall them most being late in the season (thumb injury and a wrist injury).
I do think the Sox are also being super careful with Mookie this year. By all accounts, Farrell rode the players pretty hard last year and it didn’t really serve anyone well.
 

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Betts did play through some nagging injuries last year that many speculated could have hurt his overall offensive production. But I recall them most being late in the season (thumb injury and a wrist injury).

I do think the Sox are also being super careful with Mookie this year. By all accounts, Farrell rode the players pretty hard last year and it didn’t really serve anyone well.

Didn't Alex Cora say something like that recently?

Right fielder Mookie Betts said he is feeling better but he is not expected to play until the first or second game in Houston Thursday or Friday at the earliest as he continues to try and heal a tight left side muscle.

“I'm running and moving around, so that's always a good sign,” said Betts, who said he is also working out in the weight room but has not been swinging at all.

He described his treatment as precautionary.

“If it were September, we'd be rolling,” said Betts.


Betts said he has not been told which muscle is “tight” and the team has not told the media, either. Betts did point to an area just above his left hip as the precise point of difficult.

" As you guys know, it's an area that you have to make sure he's ready to roll,” said Cora. :”But he's doing more stuff today. He was in the gym. He moved around. So, we feel comfortable. If these games were in September he'd be playing, but we've got to be smart about it.”
Yeah, I agree that caution before committing to an action is generally smart. Point in case, posting a thread about mookie being fragile is foolishly reckless.
 

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I do think the Sox are also being super careful with Mookie this year. By all accounts, Farrell rode the players pretty hard last year and it didn’t really serve anyone well.
That's a valid point. I can certainly see why they would wanna weap him in cotton wool.
 

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Something has to be done though. With both Mookie and Dustin out, there was an extremely short bench tonight. I think Nunez and Vazquez were the only two available bench guys. If Mookie is placed on the DL, they coukd backdate it to Sunday and he could be available next Wednesday..Either that or Dustin can go back on the DL. Either way somebody is going on DL.
 

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Mookie became a starting position player on August 18, 2014. This is how many times he's missed multiple games in a row in nearly four years since then:

2 games: 3x (June 13-14, 2015; July 23-24, 2016; Sept 26-27, 2017)
3 games: 2x (April 5-8, 2017; April 29-May 1, 2018)
5 games: 1x (Right now)
11 games: 1x (July 29-Aug 9, 2015)

How do you get "lots of nagging injuries" out of this?
And those 11 games were over a concussion he suffered after making that catch where he fell into the bullpen at Fenway. Nothing fragile about that.
 

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Rookishly feckless?
Holy shit.

That’s... apparently on a chart I’m not aware of somewhere... in the off. Or something.

But I also hope opposing pitchers stop drilling Mookie this year. Unless he wants them too.
 

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No. It's clearly a reference to Nietzche's "Beyond Good and Evil". The talented and the untalented are the same -- health simply is the will to power (when hitting).
This sounds like a wonderfully awful high school football coach half time speech.
 

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Something has to be done though. With both Mookie and Dustin out, there was an extremely short bench tonight. I think Nunez and Vazquez were the only two available bench guys. If Mookie is placed on the DL, they coukd backdate it to Sunday and he could be available next Wednesday..Either that or Dustin can go back on the DL. Either way somebody is going on DL.
Backdating with the 10 day list is a max of 3 days.

Your point stands, it's a possibility
 

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Something has to be done though. With both Mookie and Dustin out, there was an extremely short bench tonight. I think Nunez and Vazquez were the only two available bench guys. If Mookie is placed on the DL, they coukd backdate it to Sunday and he could be available next Wednesday..Either that or Dustin can go back on the DL. Either way somebody is going on DL.

I don't think too many teams would DL their best player (or the best player in the league) if they thought he'd be back in 7. The bench was short, and that could be a problem if someone gets hurt. But with Holt able to ply IF and OF, and Swihart at least nominally able to cover a few positions, they're probably OK. It's not like a guy they call up to replace the DL'd guy is going to be any good.
 

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I don't think too many teams would DL their best player (or the best player in the league) if they thought he'd be back in 7. The bench was short, and that could be a problem if someone gets hurt. But with Holt able to ply IF and OF, and Swihart at least nominally able to cover a few positions, they're probably OK. It's not like a guy they call up to replace the DL'd guy is going to be any good.
I believe Betts (or maybe Cora) said that if this was September/October, he'd be playing. But as it is late-May, they're being cautious. I only point that out to say that if something were to happen where they'd need to press Betts into action (say an in-game injury or an ejection), I think they would. Especially in a situation like last night where Pedroia was a late scratch, leaving only Nunez and Vazquez healthy on the bench.
 

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I don't think too many teams would DL their best player (or the best player in the league) if they thought he'd be back in 7. The bench was short, and that could be a problem if someone gets hurt. But with Holt able to ply IF and OF, and Swihart at least nominally able to cover a few positions, they're probably OK. It's not like a guy they call up to replace the DL'd guy is going to be any good.
Then DL Dustin..Its not like he was hammering the ball in his return. If he needs more time off to recover its ok. What I hate is the short bench because teams insist on hamstringing themselves. Are you sure Lin would not be an improvement over an injured Dustin at this point?
 

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I believe Betts (or maybe Cora) said that if this was September/October, he'd be playing. But as it is late-May, they're being cautious. I only point that out to say that if something were to happen where they'd need to press Betts into action (say an in-game injury or an ejection), I think they would. Especially in a situation like last night where Pedroia was a late scratch, leaving only Nunez and Vazquez healthy on the bench.
Sheds some light on Hanley's DFA. By keeping Swihart and his positional flexibility they aren't forced into a DL move. By August 1, they may decide Swihart is not worth it, but for now, he can be plugged into LF, RF, 1B and C. Similarly with Holt. It makes the idea of a 2-man bench for a game or 2 a bit less frightening, though still not optimal of course.
 

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Sheds some light on Hanley's DFA. By keeping Swihart and his positional flexibility they aren't forced into a DL move. By August 1, they may decide Swihart is not worth it, but for now, he can be plugged into LF, RF, 1B and C. Similarly with Holt. It makes the idea of a 2-man bench for a game or 2 a bit less frightening, though still not optimal of course.
Or Swihart at 2b, as it appears he played last night!

Edit: could have sworn in the pregame they said Blake was at second base
 
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I believe Betts (or maybe Cora) said that if this was September/October, he'd be playing. But as it is late-May, they're being cautious. I only point that out to say that if something were to happen where they'd need to press Betts into action (say an in-game injury or an ejection), I think they would. Especially in a situation like last night where Pedroia was a late scratch, leaving only Nunez and Vazquez healthy on the bench.
IF Cora said this, then I have to question why Swihart was allowed to hit with the bases loaded, two out and down by two runs last night against Houston. With the MFY trailing by two games and the Sox facing Cole, Verlander and Morton over the next three while New York plays Baltimore, last night's game had September written all over it. I get there are four months left to the season, but IF he was good enough to play with the season on the line perhaps he was good enough to PH with the opportunity to win that game against a struggling Giles.
 

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Then DL Dustin..Its not like he was hammering the ball in his return. If he needs more time off to recover its ok. What I hate is the short bench because teams insist on hamstringing themselves. Are you sure Lin would not be an improvement over an injured Dustin at this point?
DL Pedroia because of one day of soreness?

IF Cora said this, then I have to question why Swihart was allowed to hit with the bases loaded, two out and down by two runs last night against Houston. With the MFY trailing by two games and the Sox facing Cole, Verlander and Morton over the next three while New York plays Baltimore, last night's game had September written all over it. I get there are four months left to the season, but IF he was good enough to play with the season on the line perhaps he was good enough to PH with the opportunity to win that game against a struggling Giles.

Its not September. Whatever was written all over it. There is a wide gap between "season on the line" and May 31 in Houston.
“Honestly, we feel that if this was later in the season, he’d be leading off today,” Cora said. “But it makes no sense for us to push him. We’ve been taking care of guys since Day 1 in spring training and we will today.”
Betts didn’t take any swings Thursday but did go through some baseball activities, playing catch and spending time in the outfield during batting practice.
 

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I think Cora has been pretty consistent in that when a player is unavailable, he is unavailable, even for pinch hitting duties. While it would be ideal if the Sox were able to at least split this series, it's not essential. Losing Mookie for an extended period of time, or having him play but be ineffective, would be far worse. So, it's Next Man Up time, as there is no crying in baseball.

And, I'll take Stupid Thread Title for $500, Alex.
 

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DL Pedroia because of one day of soreness?




Its not September. Whatever was written all over it. There is a wide gap between "season on the line" and May 31 in Houston.
Like I said, I get that there are four months left to the season. There was opportunity in last night's game against a very tough opponent with another very tough opponent breathing down your back. Also now at one and a half games back, New York has played five less games that Boston. I'm OK with giving Betts time off if he needs it, but if Cora's going to tell us that he would have been out there if this were September or October, leading off, getting 4-5 ABs, perhaps playing in the field, then I think it's OK to question why he didn't pinch hit Betts in that situation. If the answer is that he's not ready, then so be it.

Edited to say that in no way, shape or form do I see Mookie as being fragile, nor would I be questioning him not pinch hitting last night if it weren't for Cora's statement. FWIW if Mookie wasn't able to go I would have rather seen Nunez than Swihart at that point, but that's probably a better discussion elsewhere.
 

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Your sarcasm meter is broken, but it was in response to the OP's ridiculous post.


edit: Oh, you are the OP.
Sharp. My question still stands. Where did the OP (that's me remember) or anyone suggest anything close to Betts should be traded? Yawn
 

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Or Swihart at 2b, as it appears he played last night!

Edit: could have sworn in the pregame they said Blake was at second base
He was after Pedroia was scratched. Then they gave Cora the smelling salts.
I wonder if that was a simple miscommunication to the press rather than Cora actually had planned to put Swihart at 2B. I'm thinking it was announced that Pedroia was scratched and Swihart was replacing him, and the media ran off to the twitters saying Swihart was playing 2B when the plan all along was what happened...Swihart to RF, Holt to 2B.
 

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I wonder if that was a simple miscommunication to the press rather than Cora actually had planned to put Swihart at 2B. I'm thinking it was announced that Pedroia was scratched and Swihart was replacing him, and the media ran off to the twitters saying Swihart was playing 2B when the plan all along was what happened...Swihart to RF, Holt to 2B.
I missed the game: did Swihart show anything of defensive value in right field? Offense was not great.
 

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DL Pedroia because of one day of soreness?




Its not September. Whatever was written all over it. There is a wide gap between "season on the line" and May 31 in Houston.
The games count just as much now as they do in September.
 

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I did, jokingly, based off your ridiculous assertion that Betts is fragile.
"assertion - a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief."

is mookie fragile?

Now think about this. Do you think this QUESTION above meets that definition? This is painful.
 
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