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Iran: Get New Cleats, Jerks

Discussion in '2018 World Cup' started by PedroSpecialK, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Team Melli has been handsomely rewarded for being the first team to qualify for the 2018 World Cup many times over:
    • Being drawn into Group B alongside Spain, Portugal, and Morocco - a veritable the Group of Death
    • Players not being paid for reaching the World Cup due to sanctions in consecutive tournaments (a great read overall on Queiroz)
    • Having Nike pull their cleat sponsorshop less than 100 hours prior to their first match, citing sanctions that went into effect last month

    Nevertheless, the squad will buy some off-the-rack Adidas cleats and stand in buckets of warm water to mold them to their feet ahead of the first match on Friday, 11 AM EST in St. Petersburg against the most talented team from Africa: Morocco.

    With Ashkan Dejagah struggling for fitness - I mean who could have guessed, with all of one match at Nottingham Forest under his belt in 2018 - it is looking like the starting lineup will be a 4-3-3

    GK: Alireza Beiranvand - Persepolis (Piece on his ascent to Team Melli in The Guardian)

    RB: Ramin Rezaeian - Oostende
    CB: Rouzbeh Cheshmi - Esteghlal
    CB: Morteza Pouraliganji - Al-Sadd
    LB: Milad Mohammadi - Akhmat Grozny

    CDM: Omid Ebrahimi - Esteghlal
    CDM: Ehsan Hajsafi - Olympiacos
    CM: Masoud Shojaei - AEK Athens

    RW: Alireza Jahanbakhsh - AZ Alkmaar
    ST: Sardar Azmoun - Rubin Kazan
    LW: Mehdi Taremi - Al-Gharafa


    Some thoughts on the lineup:

    • Queiroz seems to love Cheshmi at CB despite some suspect performances in recent qualifiers and friendlies. If one of the CBs doesn't make that lineup, the replacement would be Peiman Montazeri (Esteghlal)
    • Alternative lineup would potentially be 4-1-4-1 with Ebrahimi at CDM and Ansarifard in midfield behind Azmoun
    • If Ashkan can make the bench, expect him to spell Masoud later in the match
    • It's a tossup at LW between Taremi and Saman Ghoddos, capped this past qualifying season for Iran over his native Sweden. Ghoddos may get the nod as a more natural winger
    • Stronger bench than usual for Iran, with quality options off the bench including Karim Ansarifard, Saeid Ezatolahi, and Mehdi Torabi in midfield
    • Reza Ghoochannejhad is somehow 30 already, and has carved out a nice niche for himself in the Netherlands with SC Heerenveen, but hasn't brought it at the national team level recently

    Referee for match day 1 will be one of the few decent refs in FIFA's employ, Cuneyt Cakir.

    I will be looking for a chelo kabobi in San Francisco that's open at 8 AM to watch the likely 2-0 defeat.
     
  2. Dummy Hoy

    Dummy Hoy Angry Pissbum SoSH Member

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    That cleat fiasco is fucking criminal.
     
  3. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    Iran can beat Morocco. Morocco simply isn't that good a team, outside of Benatia. I'm not even sure they're the best team from Africa; CAF qualifying is chaos. They were in Pot 3 for the final group draw, for goodness sakes - put them in a group against Senegal, Tunisia and a Salah-equipped Egypt and I bet they finish last. They qualified on the back of 3 scoreless draws and two home blowouts, not all that differently from the defense-first approach that qualified Iran.

    Whether Iran can steal the point that would be necessary against the Iberian teams, I think that's a longer shot of course, but I wouldn't put a 1-1 draw past them entirely. They're not Australia.
     
  4. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

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    This is where I’m at. Iran has a path to the 2nd round. Beat Morocco and look for a non-draw result in the Portugal-Spain match. Quieroz’s knowledge of the Portuguese and Spanish rosters doesn’t hurt either. But I don’t think it will show up in their tactics. They will play to their defensive strength and try to hook or crook their way out of the group. Anything less than a victory vs Morocco will be a disaster.
     
  5. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Morocco has a lot more quality in midfield than folks give them credit for IMO. El Ahmadi, Boussoufa, Belhanda, and Ziyech are a solid core. Harit should be an impact sub in a more attacking role but Morocco has minimal talent there otherwise.

    I worry about Shojaei’s legs and the unpredictability of Cheshmi - if anyone can claw it out from this position it’s Queiroz but I’m not getting my hopes up in this group.
     
  6. AMcGhie

    AMcGhie The Robinson Canoe of RMPS SoSH Member

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    I really wish all sanctions excepted competitions for sport. Things like the world cup are healthy competition between nations that should be supported, not suppressed as a path to peace.

    I'm also sorry because at that hour you're going to be completely out of luck for anything but tacos or lo main. SF has 24/7 Hispanic and Asian foods, and there are certainly good restaurants representing almost every place on the globe, but not ones that are open at that hour.
     
  7. cgori

    cgori Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Generally this is correct, morning kebabs will be pretty tricky. This is the best summary of your world cup options that I found:

    https://www.thrillist.com/drink/san-francisco/san-francisco-world-cup-bars-2018

    (I watched a whole day of March madness at SF athletic club, it was a decent option for a sports bar, with good food.)
     
  8. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Nice, thanks guys - I’m actually staying w my sister in Palo Alto so venturing into SF proper is less likely.

    Luckily it sounds like the Old Pro in PA is open early tomorrow AM
     
  9. Spacemans Bong

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    There’s an Iranian place in Belmont called Shalizaar. I have a feeling they won’t open early, but it might be worth giving them a shout since they could know what Iranian place will.
     
  10. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    I bet this guy will have the game on - and would be a hell of a companion to watch a match with.
     
  11. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Good look - Shalizaar is the go-to spot when we're out here. I'll give them a call tonight

    Well played, I'll admit I started cackling when I hovered over the link
     
  12. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Well shit. Rouzbeh Cheshmi appears to be out for the WC after picking up an injury in training



    I expect Montazeri to take his place
     
  13. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Tough result today given the nature of Spain's goal and some missed chances / the Ezatolahi offside goal, but I don't think anyone questions the effort - and I don't really question Queiroz's tactics outside of not getting Jahanbakhsh on soon enough and bringing on Ghoddos on 85' instead of Dejagah. Regardless - win on Monday and Iran is into the knockout stages. Easier said than done, but there's a chance. I'd have bitten your hand off after the horrendous draw to get a chance to advance on matchday 3.

    Late in the match, Dani Carvajal decided to do execute a spinning simulation late on in the match in order to get Vahid Amiri booked. Post-match, Carvajal decided to (presumably) reference Alireza Beiranvand's simulation when Diego Costa stamped near his foot, and said "To simulate an injury is not football, is disloyalty, but each one there with his conscience."

    Queiroz responded "He should put his eyes on his teammates, and just look what happened with the Egyptian" - given my allegiances overall, I'm not sure there's anyone I like more right now than Carlos Queiroz
     
  14. ConigliarosPotential

    ConigliarosPotential Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    PSK - if you'll permit a slight thread hijack, I'm providing television commentary on Iran's World Cup game next Friday. By which I mean Iran's FIBA World Cup basketball qualifying game against Qatar, sadly, not anything soccer-related. Tomorrow I'll be researching the Iranian squad, which includes men with these surnames:

    Jamshidijafarabadi
    Mashayekhi
    Aslani Haji Abadi
    Nik Khahbahrami
    Davoudichegani
    Davarpanah
    Mirzaeitalarposhti
    Hassanzadeh Saberi
    Dalirzahan
    Kardoustpoustinsaraei

    I've called games involving players from many countries with very difficult names to pronounce...but I'm pretty sure I've never seen anything even remotely as terrifying as this. You don't have any hints or tips in this regard, do you? (I mean, you can't just use their first names or anything, can you? Not that that would necessarily be much easier, mind you!)
     
  15. Koufax

    Koufax Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    If anyone is up to it, you are. Is there a Google engine that will pronounce these names for you? Where do you begin?
     
  16. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Not a hijack at all - some of these names (Kardoustpoustinsaraei in particular) are hilarious on their own. First names in Persian commentary are actually somewhat common, though if one or more of the players share a first name, or if the player isn't particularly well known, the commentators will default to the last name.

    I can provide some more detailed guidance in the next day or so around the last names, but first I was wondering how you prefer pronouncing these names? i.e. using Davarpanah as an example, annunciating them with a native Persian intonation (da var pah-NAH) or as an English speaker would (d'VAR-pe-NAH)?

    IMO both would be acceptable to native Persian viewers, as the Persian intonation is almost comically drawn out and would potentially sound out of place otherwise. Though to be fair I'm not sure how your voice normally sounds when announcing.
     
  17. ConigliarosPotential

    ConigliarosPotential Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Heh - I my first assumption for that name was "DA-var-PAH-nah", so I can see I've got a long way to go. :) But to answer your question, while I normally do try to provide the native pronunciation of every player name in the games I call, I suspect the Anglicized version of Persian names would probably be more appropriate in this case, lest I sound too much like a caricature. Because my understanding and knowledge of European or, e.g., Japanese language and culture means I feel confident trying to go native with them, but I don't have any similar feel for Iran/Persia.

    I'm very happy to take this offline and leave this as a soccer thread - let me do my player research for Iran today and then maybe send you a PM with the complete list of the players I'm likely to have to commentate on. (Thankfully, some of the worse names on the above list are likely to be benchwarmers.) In any case, thanks for the offer of help!
     
  18. ConigliarosPotential

    ConigliarosPotential Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    FWIW, it turns out that most of the Iranian basketball players I've researched have shortened forms of their name that are commonly used. @PedroSpecialK, I may PM you tomorrow (or whenever I'm done) for some specific advice about specific pronunciations, but I'm now no longer terrified of my assignment next week. :)
     
  19. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Beyond proud of this team, and the supporters who drove, flew, and locomotive’d to Russia. A few cousins did the St. Petersburg / Kazan / Saransk circuit.

    VAR coming out for Cédric’s handball and not William’s football tackle is... quite FIFAesque. Almost as much so as the Russian / Saudi wet dream group B draw.

    I just hope this doesn’t mean the end for Queiroz with Team Melli. The man has worked magic with a shambolic FA and government.

    I also hope Taremi doesn’t take his miss to heart. It was far from an open goal would be challenging for any striker to deposit.
     
  20. Dummy Hoy

    Dummy Hoy Angry Pissbum SoSH Member

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    Cheers to Iran. Played more enjoyable football than I expected. I was rooting hard for them in this group.
     
  21. 67YAZ

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    Condolences, Pedro. But this team left it all on the pitch and have much to be proud of, especially considering the shoddy treatment by Nike.
     
  22. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Former Team Melli manager (and current Persepolis manager) Branko Ivanković has been historically difficult with releasing his players to the national team according to Team Melli schedules, and seemed to have butted heads with Carlos Queiroz frequently over the past three seasons.

    Current Persepolis & Team Melli players include only Ali Beiranvand and Vahid Amiri - former Persepolis players that have been either released / chased from the Persepolis squad and are currently on Team Melli include Ramin Rezaiean, Karim Ansarifard, Mehdi Taremi, Rouzbeh Cheshmi (trial), and Sardar Azmoun (trial).

    Today, Queiroz torched Ivanković on live TV (Queiroz's statements are in English). I really hope he's back for the next qualification cycle, I don't know of another manager who can get more out of this squad.

    Extended Iranian TV link (characters may break the URL): http://90tv.ir/video/461242/2018ارتباط-مستقیم-با-روسیه-و-مصاحبه-آتشین-کارلوس-کیروش-علیه-برانکو

    Youtube link:
     

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