iPhone 6 - BFD

Tony C · Sep 4, 2014

Moar Keyboardz! (lower case keys for the love of god!)

I'm admittedly not your target audience since not following closely, but i do have 5 and am either upgrading to the 6 when it comes out or switching to Windows/Nokia. What is this keyboard/lower case keys you're talking about? I do understand that Swype will finally be coming as an app along with the new OS, which will be long overdue.

Curll · Sep 4, 2014

H78 · Sep 4, 2014

I'm due for an upgrade in a month. I'm almost definitely going with something else, maybe one of the nice new Microsoft devices.

Why?

I'm bored with the iPhone. It feels like it hasn't delivered anything all that innovative in a long time. It's not a bad device, it has some cool apps and whatnot, but sort of as the original post insinuates...it's just not that interesting anymore.

derekson · Sep 4, 2014

Papelbon's Poutine said:
I'm not going to put myself through the hassle this time of waiting up until 3AM to grab one online like I did for the 5, but I will definitely be upgrading. I'm pretty happy with the functionality of iOS7, but if iOS8 gets better, then great, I just have not had issues with the OS and battery life like I did when my 4 was starting to reach retirement age, so I'm not as gung-ho about getting it the first day out.

I'd like to physically hold them before deciding, but I will most likely be going to the smaller one. I have no interest in the phablet sized phones and at least looking at comparisons I;ve seen online, I think the bigger one will be too big for my liking, tho I reserve the right to change that opinion.

How pricing works is of interest to me as well. Having spoken to people who have gotten new phones recently, it sounds like there is no more true phone purchase up front? Maybe it was just a detail of the work program my sister is under but she just got herself and my niece brand 5s and they paid zero down, with basically a leasing fee built into the monthly.

The phone price thing depends on which carrier and what kind of plan you're on. If you're on one of the newer "family share" type plans they are all pushing now, then you can do the payment by installments thing in lieu of buying a subsidized phone for $200+ and paying $20/month of a subsidy for the whole contract or forever even if you don't upgrade your phone. So it may or may not make sense for you based on your specific situation. Personally as an AT&T customer still on my unlimited data individual plan, if I wanted to do AT&T Next (their installment plan program), since I'm not on a "Mobile Share" plan, I wouldn't actually save the subsidy money and I'd be paying far more than sticking with the old model.

As for the size, I don't think 4.7" really misses on a sweet spot. I think that's probably a decent size to maintain one-handed usability for foks who don't have the gargantuan hands that allow one-handed use of a phablet-sized device. If you want a larger screen then just get the 5.5" model.

Personally the continuity features like Handoff and answering my phone through my Mac or iPad if its in the other room charging are more exciting iOS 8 features than anything else I've seen.

Saints Rest · Sep 4, 2014

By comparison, what size screen is the IPhone 5? Is the 4.7 and 5.5 measured diagonally? Any word on overall dimensions (not only LxWxH but also weight) of the new versions?

Tony C · Sep 4, 2014

H78 said:
I'm due for an upgrade in a month. I'm almost definitely going with something else, maybe one of the nice new Microsoft devices.

Why?

I'm bored with the iPhone. It feels like it hasn't delivered anything all that innovative in a long time. It's not a bad device, it has some cool apps and whatnot, but sort of as the original post insinuates...it's just not that interesting anymore.

I'm sort of here, too. The phone works great and it's irrational to be "bored" with a phone, particularly since I'll really miss some apps if I move. And yet....

I'm superficial.

rembrat · Sep 4, 2014

Papelbon's Poutine said:
Rumored sizes of the new iPhone 6 compared to iPhone 5, iPad mini, iPad air

Fantastic. Now all the iPhone nuthuggers that have made fun of the size of my Androids will have to eat delicious crow.

dirtynine · Sep 4, 2014

They need to add in the rumored 12" iPad to make it complete.

mauidano · Sep 4, 2014

rembrat said:
Fantastic. Now all the iPhone nuthuggers that have made fun of the size of my Androids will have to eat delicious crow.

Cottage industry grows for all the accessories, covers etc.

rembrat · Sep 4, 2014

Apple will discontinue that model and bring it back in a few years and buttrape you all over again.

I have man sized pockets.

teddykgb · Sep 4, 2014

Some of you discussing windows phone need to take a serious look at the App Store there. They've got some interesting stuff going on in the OS but for gods sales play with it for an hour in the Microsoft store don't buy one. There are no apps.

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

teddykgb said:
Some of you discussing windows phone need to take a serious look at the App Store there. They've got some interesting stuff going on in the OS but for gods sales play with it for an hour in the Microsoft store don't buy one. There are no apps.

What apps do they not have? I have a windows phone and there are no apps that my friends with IPhones have that I do not.

jayhoz · Sep 5, 2014

The following are apps (excluding games) that are in the top 100 on the App store, but not on the MS store.

WatchESPN
FIFA Official App
YouTube
Snapchat
Google Maps
Univision Deportes

SoundCloud
Gmail
CloudDownload for SoundCloud
Free Music Download Manager for SoundCloud
Tinder
Fly – A fast new video editor
Uber
Yahoo Mail
Flipagram
RetailMeNot Coupons
Dropbox
Google Translate
Music Download for SoundCloud
Fitbit
Chrome

http://www.wpcentral.com/ios-app-store-vs-windows-phone-store-2014

mt8thsw9th · Sep 5, 2014

WatchESPN, Youtube, Google Maps, Snapchat, full version of Instagram, GMail, Tinder, Dropbox, Google Translate, Google Chrome, Hailo, Starbucks, Amex, Nest, Fitbit, Candy Crush (for those who are into it), Square, iOOTP, Google Voice, Google Hangouts, pretty much every game popular on iOS and Android, etc. etc.

I'm sure others could add to the list, but that's just what I've been able to pull together from a quick Google search. And a lot of the newer WinMo versions of popular apps tend to be buggy beta versions of things that have been on iOS for years. Their store is expanding, but unless Microsoft dumps a ton of money on developers, the store isn't going to expand very fast because there is absolutely no reason for developers to waste resources developing for something that had 4.4% market share in January 2012, and has been stuck in the 3-4% range since, with no signs of growth in market share. No company in their right mind would focus on such a small demographic.

NortheasternPJ · Sep 5, 2014

mt8thsw9th said:
And a lot of the newer WinMo versions of popular apps tend to be buggy beta versions of things that have been on iOS for years. Their store is expanding, but unless Microsoft dumps a ton of money on developers, the store isn't going to expand very fast because there is absolutely no reason for developers to waste resources developing for something that had 4.4% market share in January 2012, and has been stuck in the 3-4% range since, with no signs of growth in market share. No company in their right mind would focus on such a small demographic.

This post makes me remember the days where I couldn't find a game for a Mac worth shit growing up in the 90's. Replace WinMo and Microsfot for Mac and Apple in 1998 and you wouldn't have to change anything in the post.

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

And how many of those do you use frequently? I mean the gall of having to access youtube through a browser (which you can pin to the start screen so it is like having an app) or use google maps app not built by google.
There is nothing on that list that you can not replace with a similar app.

Which of those could you not live without? And don't say GMail, surprisingly the Mail client works with Gmail perfectly.

Not using an OS/insulting it because of a few specific and replaceable apps is stupid.

I don't have much experience with android so maybe it is light years better than a windows phone, but from my personal experience a Windows phone provides a better user experience than IOS

Edit: Sorry to derail the topic, I am always interested to see what apple does. What new things they do that will be amazing and what old things they will do, that they are late to the party on but will be celebrate like geniuses for.

Ed Hillel · Sep 5, 2014

So when does Apple start with the iPhone 5 updates that actually start to slow down the phone's functions?

rembrat · Sep 5, 2014

Ed Hillel said:
So when does Apple start with the iPhone 5 updates that actually start to slow down the phone's functions?

Do they seriously do this?

mt8thsw9th · Sep 5, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
And how many of those do you use frequently?

A lot?

WatchESPN (I don't personally use this on anything but Apple TV, but everyone who watched the World Cup did), Youtube (whenever I load a video--good luck queueing up videos in the web version), Google Maps (daily), Snapchat (here and there), full version of Instagram (daily), GMail (I don't, but its look is far better than the stock mail app, I just prefer using the stock app so all my mail is in one place, or Mailbox--which isn't on WinMo), Tinder (daily), Dropbox (I use Google Drive, but I would imagine Dropbox users might like this), Google Translate (a few times a week), Google Chrome (daily), Hailo (every time I need a cab), Starbucks (I don't, but people who go to Starbucks daily do), Amex (whenever I use my card), Nest (don't have a Nest), Fitbit (don't have a Fitbit), Candy Crush (for those who are into it), Square (don't have it, but it's a very popular platform), iOOTP (a few times a week), Google Voice (a few times a week), Google Hangouts (daily), pretty much every game popular on iOS and Android, etc. etc.

I only listed stuff I use a lot or what others use a lot. Those aren't obscure apps, and no, the knock-offs aren't comparable. Check out the reviews online, Microsoft lists them all. It's pretty delusional to compare the app experience on WinMo with that in the Android/iOS ecosystems as of today. Could it be better a couple years down the road? Sure, but is it worth losing very popular apps for the hell of it? To each their own, but there's too much I personally rely on that I don't want to just leave behind.

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

mt8thsw9th said:
A lot?

I only listed stuff I use a lot or what others use a lot. Those aren't obscure apps, and no, the knock-offs aren't comparable. Check out the reviews online, Microsoft lists them all. It's pretty delusional to compare the app experience on WinMo with that in the Android/iOS ecosystems.Tinde

Tinder (daily) - good for you I think.

All I know is I have never been hampered by this terrible lack of apps as you are making it out to be. Also of all the apps you use, there are two that you use daily that are missing that can't be easily replaced (Amex and Tinder).

Again pointing to apps as a reason to not use a phone with a superior operating system (in my opinion) is stupid.

mt8thsw9th · Sep 5, 2014

What good is an OS if it doesn't have apps?

And I'm single and date, so why wouldn't I use a dating app that single women who date use? Tinder isn't the hookup app that it was when it was released. Women ruined that (or more specifically got the power to only communicate with those they choose to, unlike on the more entrenched OKCupid, Match, et cetera).

jayhoz · Sep 5, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
Tinder (daily) - good for you I think.

All I know is I have never been hampered by this terrible lack of apps as you are making it out to be. Also of all the apps you use, there are two that you use daily that are missing that can't be easily replaced (Amex and Tinder).

Again pointing to apps as a reason to not use a phone with a superior operating system (in my opinion) is stupid.

A smartphone without a solid suite of apps is a point and shoot camera that can make phone calls and making phone calls is in the bottom 3rd of the important things my phone does for me.

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

jayhoz said:
A smartphone without a solid suite of apps is a point and shoot camera that can make phone calls and making phone calls is in the bottom 3rd of the important things my phone does for me.

And the point I have made is of the 15 apps he listed only 2 can not be easily replaced on the OS. What are the top 5 apps you use daily? How many apps do you use daily?

edit:grammer

HriniakPosterChild · Sep 5, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
Again pointing to apps as a reason to not use a phone with a superior operating system (in my opinion) is stupid.

I bet you loved your Amiga back in the day...

AlNipper49 · Sep 5, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
And point I have made is of the 15 apps he listed only 2 can not be easily replaced on the OS. What are the top 5 apps you use daily? How many apps do you use daily?

I'm with you. As much as I fucking detest my Android, one of the things that I surprisingly didn't hate was the app store vs my Apple experience. I generally find replacements for whatever and in many cases it saved me from installing an app that I'd use once.

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

HriniakPosterChild said:
I bet you loved your Amiga back in the day...

I am not old enough to get that joke.
While I really enjoy having a windows phone I am not oblivious to the fact that I got on the horse that is going to be sent to the glue factory eventually.

derekson · Sep 5, 2014

rembrat said:
Do they seriously do this?

How big are you on conspiracy theories?

I understand that people get frustrated when a phone runs slower with a new OS update, but it shouldn't be as big of an issue in the future as it was a few years ago. As of a few years ago, the power of the CPUs and GPUs in these devices was advancing in a way desktop machines or laptops haven't seen in like 20 years. The A7 chip is comparable to low clocked Core2 Duo, which was a laptop chip about 5 years ago. SO if Apple wants to leverage the power of the newer devices to develop new features to draw people to iOS, some older devices are going to slow down or not support some of these features. It's just inevitable. The alternative would be Apple ceasing software updates after a year or two like most other phone vendors seem to be doing. Would you rather the iPhone 5 be stuck on iOS 7 forever, or prefer it to update to iOS 8 and 9 but not run quite as smoothly? It's nice to at least have the choice, and if you're happy with the current software and worry about slowdowns you always have the option of not updating.

jayhoz · Sep 5, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
And point I have made is of the 15 apps he listed only 2 can not be easily replaced on the OS. What are the top 5 apps you use daily? How many apps do you use daily?

Here's my list. I have no idea which are/are not on MS.

Daily
Gmail
Google Maps
Touchdown - Nitrodesk
Evernote
Twitter
Chrome
Clash of Clans
Flipboard
Hello
Level Up
TuneInRadio
SoSH
1Weather

Weekly
Feedly
Flickr
IFTTT
OfficeSuite Pro
Linkedin
Citizens Bank

Seven Costanza · Sep 5, 2014

I use Dark Sky, New York Times Now and Facebook Paper daily. None of these three apps are available outside of iOS.

Windows Phone is a platform that certainly has some advantages (I'm hearing a lot of good things about Cortana) but the notion that the Windows Phone app store leaves something to be desired is not exactly a controversial one. Different strokes for different folks.

derekson · Sep 5, 2014

Another issue with apps is that the mere existence of an app on a platform doesn't imply equivalence in quality or features. Even when a company cranks out a WP8 app, it probably isn't spending the same amount of resources keeping that app up to date and developing new features for it. The Android and iOS versions of the same app are likely to run smoother and have extra features. This isn't always going to be the case, certainly, but you can't just look at a list and say "oh hey, it has an app for this it must be equivalent".

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

Seven Costanza said:
Windows Phone is a platform that certainly has some advantages (I'm hearing a lot of good things about Cortana) but the notion that the Windows Phone app store leaves something to be desired is not exactly a controversial one. Different strokes for different folks.

I am not arguing that the app store doesn't leave something to be desired. I am arguing that the app store is not bad enough to be a reason to stay away from the phone.

glennhoffmania · Sep 5, 2014

Unless Windows has made a lot of progress in the last 4 years or so then there's no way you can reasonably compare it with Android or iOS. That was by far the worst device of any kind I've ever had. I just saw that the M8 is available for Windows and my reaction was, why would anyone consider buying that phone but decide that it's better without Android?

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

jayhoz said:
Here's my list. I have no idea which are/are not on MS.

Daily
Gmail - Mail Client (maybe the app is something special/different)
Google Maps - I use "gMaps"
Touchdown - Nitrodesk - I would be surprised if something did not exist but I do not know of one off the top of my head
Evernote - Exist
Twitter - Twitter
Chrome - Doesn't exist, but just a browser IE works well.
Clash of Clans - Game (?) probably doesn't exist
Flipboard -could be replaced with Wave News Reader
Hello - Don't know what this is, Google did not help.
Level Up - If payments platform doesn't exist and dont know a replacement - edit: "Would Paypal count?"
TuneInRadio - Exists
SoSH - "Tapatalk"
1Weather - Weather App

Weekly
Feedly
Flickr
IFTTT
OfficeSuite Pro
Linkedin
Citizens Bank

My only point is that is what 2 apps that you use daily that don't exist and a game, I'm sure you could find another game you liked.
The Windows App store is no where near as good as Google or Apple, but it still covers most of the options.

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

glennhoffmania said:
Unless Windows has made a lot of progress in the last 4 years or so then there's no way you can reasonably compare it with Android or iOS. That was by far the worst device of any kind I've ever had. I just saw that the M8 is available for Windows and my reaction was, why would anyone consider buying that phone but decide that it's better without Android?

What was the operating system you used 4 years ago? Was it 8 or 7. If we are not talking about the app store critics like windows OS alot

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

Papelbon's Poutine said:
Can you explain what is so much better about the OS that it is worth the difference in apps? Because the reason we have apps is so that we don't have to open a browser on a 4 inch screen in order to log into our bank account or order something online.

It is clean and fast. Does a great job of managing email and contacts. Live tiles are nice and comes with Office.
It is all personal opinion when it comes to OS in my opinion. Apple got stale and lagged behind and i never enjoy how they hold back features for the "next release". They somehow still do not have wireless charging. I don't know much about android like I said.

jayhoz · Sep 5, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
My only point is that is what 2 apps that you use daily that don't exist and a game, I'm sure you could find another game you liked.
The Windows App store is no where near as good as Google or Apple, but it still covers most of the options.

You'll need to answer Papelbon's question because I can't see why anyone would want to compromise on any of their apps to go to MS. I mean...it's MS after all.

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

jayhoz said:
You'll need to answer Papelbon's question because I can't see why anyone would want to compromise on any of their apps to go to MS. I mean...it's MS after all.

What is so bad about MS? There is almost no difference between MS and apple other than culture.

jayhoz · Sep 5, 2014

I don't own any Apple products outside of a couple of old iPods, but you can't be serious when you say MS products are on par with Apple in terms of quality, usability, reliability, etc. etc. etc.

Windows ME - Shit
Windows XP - Stable
Windows Vista - Shit
Windows 7 - OK
Windows 8 - Utter Shit

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

jayhoz said:
I don't own any Apple products outside of a couple of old iPods, but you can't be serious when you say MS products are on par with Apple in terms of quality, usability, reliability, etc. etc. etc.

Windows ME - Shit
Windows XP - Stable -Used by most of the world
Windows Vista - Shit
Windows 7 - OK - Will/is replace XP as the standard
Windows 8 - Utter Shit

If apple Operating Systems were so amazing they would be the global standard.

And you can not compare Apple and MS on those measurable since MS does not make hardware excluding the recent ventures and those have been good products.

Silverdude2167 · Sep 5, 2014

If people want to keep arguing with me I created a Windows Phone Tread so we can leave the poor IPhone 6 alone...It just wants a little attention.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/85440-windows-phone-why-your-app-store-sucks/

Max Power · Sep 5, 2014

bohous said:
That's where I am but ultimately any device is just a means to the same end. Email, camera, social media, internets, a few games, etc. Most of the rest is bells and whistles. I'm still leaning toward a switch to an Android device next month but I have a feeling once the playtime with customization features wears off I'll still be essentially just using the same 10 apps in much the same way I use my iPhone.

And this is exactly why having a billion apps is meaningless for 90% of phone users. They use them to keep in touch with people, take pictures, search for information, and figure out where they are. The rest is a bunch of dick waving that doesn't impact their usage in any meaningful way.

Ed Hillel · Sep 5, 2014

bohous said:
My 4s is running the most current ios 7.1.2 without issue. It may have slowed it down a tick vs the original v6.x but its not what I would call slow or sluggish.

My 4S got slower with every update before/around the time the 5 was released. When I went into the Verizon store to upgrade to 5, the person there essentially told me that most Verizon employees think they do it intentionally to slow down the phone. Obviously conjecture, but the thought struck me as well, as the phone kept getting slower, even as I freed up memory and cleaned it up. I never got to 7.1.2, so maybe that changed, or maybe it was just a result of poorly constructed updates.

mt8thsw9th · Sep 5, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
If apple Operating Systems were so amazing they would be the global standard.

My irony detector just exploded.

So, uh, you realize this discussion stemmed from you saying how WinMo was the awesome and Android and iOS are the worst, right? Check out market share vis-a-vis OS X and WinMo some time. However, I'll give you a mulligan on this one.

That aside, you may want to read up about about the history of Microsoft. Internet Explorer isn't the most popular browser because it's good.

mt8thsw9th · Sep 5, 2014

Ed Hillel said:
I went into the Verizon store to upgrade to 5, the person there essentially told me that most Verizon employees think they do it intentionally to slow down the phone.

A guy that worked at a sports bar once told me that JD Drew was a bum that didn't care. You gotta trust them since they're the experts on the topic, or else they wouldn't be hired there.

jk333 · Sep 5, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
If apple Operating Systems were so amazing they would be the global standard.

And you can not compare Apple and MS on those measurable since MS does not make hardware excluding the recent ventures and those have been good products.

Your points seems to be that 1) apps don't matter if the OS is nice 2) Microsoft's OS are great because they're used by many offices. Most people aren't going to agree with this for a mobile phone.

Apple is also supposed to be adding a touchless payment system to the iphone6, similar to what's already available in Android. There have been no rumors about waterproofing. For me, a waterproof phone would differentiate it. Samsung's current offer with an IP67 rating is nice but the Sony Xperia is what future phone's should aim for with a IP58 rating.

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