Hoyer, Patriots reach agreement on 3-year contract
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This makes a ton of sense for Hoyer, unless a starting job was available from another team. He goes from the bench on a winless team to the bench for the defending champions. Seems like a great deal.
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Patriots reached agreement with former 49ers QB Brian Hoyer on a three-year contract, per source.
Patriots reached agreement with former 49ers QB Brian Hoyer on a three-year contract, per source.
I mean the guy at this point probably has several million to potentially 10 million + banked (depending on how smart he's been with his earnings).
If he can eke out 3 more years, get a decent salary, and not have to worry about getting crushed under 300 lb behemoths for the next 3 years, he's probably okay with it at this point in his career.
If he can eke out 3 more years, get a decent salary, and not have to worry about getting crushed under 300 lb behemoths for the next 3 years, he's probably okay with it at this point in his career.
The contract details will be interesting.
Is this a legit 3-year commitment to Hoyer or a 1 year incentive laden thing.
Going to Hoyer instead of Kaep is defensible for the Pats because of system and team familiarity.
That said, they should sign Kaep, too, if he comes cheap enough.
Is this a legit 3-year commitment to Hoyer or a 1 year incentive laden thing.
Going to Hoyer instead of Kaep is defensible for the Pats because of system and team familiarity.
That said, they should sign Kaep, too, if he comes cheap enough.
Putting aside BB's (presumed) politcal leanings or feelings about the NA protest, why would he want to inject an element of potential controversy and disruption to his team mid-season, by signing Kap?
IMO the risk/reward trade-off is not favorable.
Hoyer may be low reward but he knows the drill.
IMO the risk/reward trade-off is not favorable.
Hoyer may be low reward but he knows the drill.
I doubt it's 3 guaranteed years, probably this year maybe some guarantees next year and that's it.
He made sense for his familiarity with the system. I'd still like to see them explore Kaep either this year or in the off season now that there is no young guy in the backup role
He made sense for his familiarity with the system. I'd still like to see them explore Kaep either this year or in the off season now that there is no young guy in the backup role
I think the most likely outcome here is that Hoyer is on the 2018 team, they draft a QB in 2018 in the #3 developmental role, then they cut Hoyer after 2018 and the drafted QB becomes #2. Then ideally that drafted QB takes over for TB12 when he retires, but who knows.
Wrong! Hoyer for 3 and then draft the heir apparent and let him be Brady’s understudy for 3 years before taking over. 5-6 more years of TB12
This would be my expectation or it all gets pushed out one year. If they think they have the next guy next year they'll grab him, if they don't see someone who they think they can take over that they can get, they push it out another year and keep Hoyer for 3 years.
If the right player is there it wouldn’t surprise me if they used their first rounder.
Something that looks like a three year commitment with snaps played incentives would make sense. Kind of gag inducing, but a relatively cheap Hoyer as a bridge option if Brady hits a wall isn’t the worst idea in the world.
That's my guess too.
This looks like a pretty good year to look for a QB in rounds 2-4, as its a highly rated class in terms of talent that is not performing very well this season.
What the fuck is with you guys wanting to sign Kaepernick? They aren't perfect stats, by FO has the following ranks for him over the last handful of years:
2016
DYAR: 29 out of 34
DVOA: 30 out of 34
2015
DYAR: 35 out of 37
DVOA: 34 out of 37
2014
DYAR: 28 out of 44
DVOA: 29 out of 44
I would cite Hoyer's numbers, but if youre clamoring for CK, they probably won't matter to you. They're better.
CK is a shit QB, and he has been for 3 years in a row. If you think the Pats should sign him, don't pretend it's because its a good football decision.
2016
DYAR: 29 out of 34
DVOA: 30 out of 34
2015
DYAR: 35 out of 37
DVOA: 34 out of 37
2014
DYAR: 28 out of 44
DVOA: 29 out of 44
I would cite Hoyer's numbers, but if youre clamoring for CK, they probably won't matter to you. They're better.
CK is a shit QB, and he has been for 3 years in a row. If you think the Pats should sign him, don't pretend it's because its a good football decision.
Curious to see what the money is like. Obviously, Hoyer was expected to fill a greater role in SF, but he signed a 2 year deal with them for $12mm (incentives up to $18mm) with $10mm guaranteed. Compare that to Garoppolo's $820k salary and you can see why Belichick has largely chosen to use draft picks to fill the backup QB role.
My guess is the money is around $2mm per year with a minor signing bonus.
My guess is the money is around $2mm per year with a minor signing bonus.
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Yeah, I was of the opposite opinion yesterday; but i've done a 180 and agree with this now
Thank you for posting that, I was thinking the exact same thing. He is not on any NFL team mostly because he is not a very good NFL QB.
Hoyer has eerily similar career rate stats as Eli Manning
Completion %
Hoyer: 59.3
Eli: 59.8
YPA
Hoyer: 7.0
Eli: 7.0
TD:INT
Hoyer: 1.6:1
Eli: 1.5:1
Passer rating
Hoyer: 83.3
Eli: 83.8
Anyway. Hoyer is pretty good veteran backup IMO. He won't kill you, and he know the offense. Gives the Pats a year or two of bridge.
Completion %
Hoyer: 59.3
Eli: 59.8
YPA
Hoyer: 7.0
Eli: 7.0
TD:INT
Hoyer: 1.6:1
Eli: 1.5:1
Passer rating
Hoyer: 83.3
Eli: 83.8
Anyway. Hoyer is pretty good veteran backup IMO. He won't kill you, and he know the offense. Gives the Pats a year or two of bridge.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/01/expiration-of-trade-deadline-means-all-released-players-are-subject-to-waivers/
So Hoyer must have cleared waivers; nobody was claiming even a pro rata portion of that contract, which the 49ers must honor for the balance of this year (perhaps subject to offsets).
Have little doubt Hoyer received some phone calls. A bet his Pats contract is pretty good for him.
So Hoyer must have cleared waivers; nobody was claiming even a pro rata portion of that contract, which the 49ers must honor for the balance of this year (perhaps subject to offsets).
Have little doubt Hoyer received some phone calls. A bet his Pats contract is pretty good for him.
Why would Kaep ever want to come to the Patriots after they signed Hoyer? My bet is they look at a QB in this draft to supplement Hoyer as this draft appears to look good in terms of quality QB prospects in the later rounds.
Kaep's ship sailed the moment he mentioned Kraft directly in the suit IMO. In Hoyer we trust now.
Kaep's ship sailed the moment he mentioned Kraft directly in the suit IMO. In Hoyer we trust now.
The right QB was signed and it wasn't a hard choice. As I said in another thread, quarterbacks are now coming into the league far more prepared than ever to have early success and the patriots have enough picks to get the next starter 3 years or so out. Hoyer knows his role is as backup works for the team. Carry on
Unless Hoyer demonstrates that he was benched because he might actually be *worse* than CJ Beathard, in which case the Pats hold their nose and pray for 2017 and get more QBs in 2018. (in other words, "who knows" is the right answer).
Pretty sure he was officially released on Monday thus making that article moot for Brian Hoyer in regards to waiver claim.
You sure about that?
Seriously, I like the move. I just remember this game every time I think of him. Man, it was awful.
My take on Kap is that absent the kneeling thing, he absolutely would have been given multiple shots to try to prove he doesn't suck. That said, I think he would have proved that he does in fact suck in each of those opportunities. I'm always glad when the Patriots field a QB that doesn't suck.
Hopefully Hoyer plays in week 17 after we've clinched the 1 seed.
Hopefully Hoyer plays in week 17 after we've clinched the 1 seed.
The other part of “who knows” is there’s some chance the Pats actually upgraded at backup quarterback.
The Pats probably get Hoyer for the minimum this year given the likely offset by the 49ers, right? How does it work if they gave him a signing bonus? Does it spread across the deal, with just the part counted against this year's cap counting towards the offset?
If there's some minor cap edge to be had here I'm sure they'll look for it.
If there's some minor cap edge to be had here I'm sure they'll look for it.
If the Patriots didn't even bother to contact Kaepernick, his lawyers must be giddy at the thought of Bob Kraft's team having a QB opening and not even giving their client a sniff. If you're Kraft, why not make the minimal effort and make a good faith effort to show he's not being blackballed? It would have been easy enough to at least talk with CK before coming to the obvious and defensible conclusion that Hoyer was a better fit.
By the same token, the kneeling thing wouldn't have mattered if he didn't already prove he sucks. Unless we think beating women, driving drunk, murder, etc. are lesser offenses than kneeling, this has been proven true time and time again. Hoyer was the right choice here for all of the reasons already mentioned.
Theres no Rooney Rule for players. They didn't like him on the field. Hell, Kraft could say, "I dont want someone on my team who is trying to sue me. Fuck that guy."
It doesnt matter.
Thanks for the correction.
It's going to be very interesting to see how they approach the 2018 draft. I also would not rule out the Pats using a first rounder on a QB.
Lots of sites out there "ranking" potential 2018 draftees.
Scouts:
- Sam Darnold, USC (35 points, 4 first-place votes, appeared on all 8 ballots)
- Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots)
- Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots)
- Luke Falk, Washington State (10 points, 6 ballots)
- Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State (7 points, 3 ballots)
- Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma (6 points, 4 ballots)
- Lamar Jackson, Louisville (5 points, 2 ballots)
- Ryan Finley, N.C. State (1 point, 1 ballot)
CBS:
- Sam Darnold, USC
- Josh Rosen, UCLA
- Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
- Josh Allen, Wyoming
- Luke Falk, Washington State
- Josh Allen, Wyoming
- Sam Darnold, Southern California
- Lamar Jackson, Louisville
- Tanner Lee, Nebraska
- Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
- Josh Rosen, UCLA
1. Lamar Jackson, Louisville (JR)
2. Sam Darnold, USC (RS SO)
3. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma (RS SR)
4. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State (SR)
5. Jake Browning, Washington (JR)
6. Josh Rosen, UCLA (JR)
7. Trace McSorley, Penn State (JR)
8. J.T. Barrett, Ohio State (SR)
9. Quinton Flowers, South Florida (SR)
10. Luke Falk, Washington State (SR)
11. Josh Allen, Wyoming (JR)
12. Deondre Francois, Florida State (RS SO)
13. Jalen Hurts, Alabama (SO)
14. Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State (JR)
15. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn (SO)
16. Will Grier, West Virginia (RS JR)
17. Logan Woodside, Toledo (SR)
18. Jake Bentley, South Carolina (SO)
19. Brett Rypien, Boise State (JR)
20. Brent Stockstill, Middle Tennessee (JR)
21. Mike White, Western Kentucky (RS SR)
22. Austin Allen, Arkansas (SR)
23. Shea Patterson, Ole Miss (SO)
24. Tanner Mangum, BYU (JR)
25. Riley Ferguson, Memphis (SR)
26. Jacob Eason, Georgia (SO)
27. Kyle Allen, Houston (JR)
28. Jesse Ertz, Kansas State (SR)
29. Justin Herbert, Oregon (SO)
30. Shane Buechele, Texas (SO)
31. Matt Linehan, Idaho (JR)
32. Nick Stevens, Colorado State (SR)
33. Wilton Speight, Michigan (SR)
34. Eric Dungey, Syracuse (JR)
35. Ryan Finley, N.C. State (JR)
Oh I hear you, but you have to remember that was a playoff game, against a very good KC team.
Hoyer had a pretty good year on a very mediocre Texans team and was a big reason they righted the ship and made the playoffs that year.
They also have the argument that Hoyer offers something Kap obviously doesn't, and they value that thing greatly.
In general it's a huge mistake to allow lawyers to run your business, even when faced with a big meritorious claim. But let's have no illusions about why Kraft was singled out in this case. It's not because the Pats had openings or because Kraft is an NFL heavy hitter. It's because of Kraft's Trump connections, which Kap's lawyers wanted to leverage for atmospherics. This was, in fact, a dirt bag move -- though, unfortunately, a common one (which is one reason people love lawyers so much).
99.9% of us, one the receiving end of such a tactic, would say 'eff you Kap and move on.
The week 17 thing ain't happening this year. If Hoyer or Kap for that matter plays significant minutes for the Pats this year the season is sunk.
That's quite true. By this time next year, 49er fans might be pining for Blaine GabbaGabbaHey.
Something something racism.
I love this sequence of events. Jimmy wasn't the future, not necessarily because of skill, that's yet to be seen, but because of timing. The Pats just gave themselves more flexibility and potential for what was essentially a swap that didn't downgrade their chances of winning at all. The point has always been that if Brady goes down, the SB is unrealistic. That hasn't changed, except now they have a high 2nd rounder.
Right. Even if they only need a backup for a few games this year, I'm not sure how much of a difference form JG to Hoyer really effects their winning %.
People kept drinking the KoolAid (myself included) on JG. People bought that we should be getting multiple first round picks. Fans of other teams - some on this board - tried to throw ice water on that idea. Getting what is essentially a backend first rounder for someone with almost no field experience is fucking awesome.