But if he does it somewhere else the vesting option is the responsibility of the team he's on at the time?
If that' the case Hanley isn't going to be on a major league roster.
Hanley DFA'd (5/25 Update)
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If that' the case Hanley isn't going to be on a major league roster.
Swihart is basically the entirety of our catching depth. Our next catchers who are even the ghosts of prospects are in A ball.
If you could trade Swihart for a AAA catcher with options, that might make some sense, but...
Globe piece on this here: http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/05/25/red-sox-part-ways-with-hanley-ramirez/V8PHkHq10EEMLEATQKCeQK/story.html
Hard not be a little sad. I loved Hanley when he was hitting.
Hard not be a little sad. I loved Hanley when he was hitting.
Yes, if traded the team assumes the contract and all options on it. If he passes the threshold, then it's on that team.
Is there anything of value that Hanley could fetch back in trade?
Probably because Swihart is still Leon/Vaz insurance, can play a couple positions, and they may still think there's potential there whereas they believe what Hanley was offering is exactly what they're going to get.
There’s no way the Sox would DFA him if they were on the hook for his 2019 option from another team giving him PAs.
I’m honestly hoping for a bad contract swap with an NL team, but I can’t see it with anyone else but the Dodgers or Rockies. Otherwise, it’s going to feel awful seeing Hanley on the Yanks, Astros, Angels or Clevelanders.
I’m honestly hoping for a bad contract swap with an NL team, but I can’t see it with anyone else but the Dodgers or Rockies. Otherwise, it’s going to feel awful seeing Hanley on the Yanks, Astros, Angels or Clevelanders.
No one's trading for him. If there's genuine interest in him, they're going to wait until he's released and sign him for the league minimum (and no obligation for 2019).
Bird is almost back, Neil Walker is hitting, and Adam Lind is chilling in AAA. The Yankees aren't signing Hanley.
They have three long relievers in the bullpen (Johnson, Velazquez, and Wright). And instead of pruning the obvious redundancy there, they DFA Hanley?
Edit: And unless I'm mistaken, JBJ has an option left and is looking up wistfully at the Mendoza line.
Someone will get hurt within the next week and they will be rueful of this decision.
Edit: And unless I'm mistaken, JBJ has an option left and is looking up wistfully at the Mendoza line.
Someone will get hurt within the next week and they will be rueful of this decision.
Not that this adds anything to the conversation. I just kinda forgot the account existed until it popped up on my feed and gave me a laugh.
Bird is back tomorrow, NY has their own personnel issues (although they have guys with options and likely won't DFA anyone), but they're not adding Hanley.
Yeah, I'd be totally unsurprised if this was the team getting out in front of a failed PED test.
Great move. At some point you can’t keep a guy around because of name recognition and Salary. He hasn’t been good for a long while and they have equal or better options hanging around.
I agree they're the least likely destination. Tyler Austin is filling that role fine — and besides, Hanley would never do that to his hair.
Could be possible too. I would think that MLB would stop it from happening though if that was the case. I understand stopping the vesting but why May 25th as opposed to June 25th? Not like he’s getting to 497 in a month
The Rockies have deadweight in Cargo, Ian Desmond, and Mike Dunn. None of whom the Sox have any use for, but if taking on Desmond's salary can get us a decent prospect, it's not the worst outcome given our situation.
This is a good move. The team is a lot better with Martinez at DH and Bradley in the OF, even when he's struggling with the bat.
That said, it's pretty weird to DFA your #3 hitter. I think that's what's fueling the concern that Cora and Dombrowski aren't on the same page.
That said, it's pretty weird to DFA your #3 hitter. I think that's what's fueling the concern that Cora and Dombrowski aren't on the same page.
I suppose it's possible he gets picked up and mashes for 2/3 of a season, but he looks like a guy who's finished as an impact bat. I won't cry about it if he's useful someplace else, but it's more likely he's in Sandoval territory a year from now.
The "why now?" seems obvious to me. They needed the roster spot. If Pedroia was still another month away, this probably doesn't happen until then.
I can't imagine anyone wants to take on Hanley's current contract and have to worry about his option vesting. Seems like wherever he goes, it'll be for the pro-rated minimum.
Oh, not as a trade, I don't think this can be a trade because then the 497 clause is preserved and no team will want that. COL should want him after he is a FA, like Sandoval and SF.
Why/how would MLB stop a dfa? Isn't the team within their rights to dfa anyone whenever they see fit?
If he’s going on the suspended list they might be able to. I’m not sure the protocol for suspended players for PEDs. That was the hypothetical
Dombrowski not fucking around.
And I assume Pedey replaces him on the 25? Does it mean more 1B for Holt/Nunez?
And I assume Pedey replaces him on the 25? Does it mean more 1B for Holt/Nunez?
Yeah I assume there are protocols in place to prevent that kind of gaming.
Since the Sox have to assume that no team is going to pick up Hanley's contract and the vesting option that goes with it, this move is obviously designed to have him clear waivers and become a free agent. Sox are on the hook for his salary this year but they get out of the potential vesting option. I am a bit confused by the timing, though - what is the downside of waiting a few more months to see if he can turn it around? The timing does, I guess, suggest there is more to the story.
Half the league will want him when he's a league-minimum FA. The Rockies may want him now if it's an exchange of salaries, since they should probably DFA Cargo, Desmond, or Dunn themselves.
If he puts up 300 PAs of 90 wRC+ in Colorado by July, they can release him too. But right now they're in first place and have nothing to lose by plugging Hanley in.
There's incentive for DD to pursue this route because it decreases the likelihood we see Hanley on an AL competitor.
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If you asked me the percentage chance of this happening this morning i might have guessed 1%.
Wow.
Wow.
The downside is clearly having to cut someone else because Pedroia has to come back.
Swihart doesn't cost 22 million dollars next year if he's played and has slightly more potential than Hanley
Nunez doesn't cost 22 million dollars next year if he's played and was better than Hanley last year
It sucks to have a 6 man bullpen, and cutting a reliever also won't save 22 million dollars next year
And all 3 contributed to save the real bullpen in a lost cause last night.
6-7 starter depth as long relief is a good trend
Taking the medium- to long-term view, this makes sense. Hanley is not the future. You can play around with lineup configurations and roster moves to maybe find something that makes more sense short-term IF Hanley hits like he has been capable of. Between his age, the option vesting, his pattern of decline, and his defensive liabilities, I don't see that his positives merit keeping him around. This is the time to cut bait. No point in vesting the option if he's not in the long-term plan.
Kind of sucks because I like the guy, and he is capable of mashing still when he's hitting well.
Kind of sucks because I like the guy, and he is capable of mashing still when he's hitting well.
Yes, though they've built a memorial to his career that will be on display in Pawtucket through 2020.
Yeah that's fair. I still would have thought they would cut Brian Johnson instead of Hanley, but I guess factoring in the option Hanley was the DFA that made sense. And, of course, if Thornburg ever puts it together they'll probably still have to cut Johnson (or Wright) anyway.
He doesn't hit RHP, to be more precise. LHP is another story. Even with the awful start he's had, he's OPSing a semi-respectable .767 vs. LHP so far this year. Not good enough, of course, but he's always hit LHP well (over .900 at most of his stops) so I'd expect it to improve. I doubt we'll see him unless/until he gets hot, but put it this way: the downside of Travis would probably more or less replicate what Hanley has been doing, only without the vesting-clause gotcha. The Hanley DFA converts him from a semi-blocked spare part to a useful puzzle piece.
Can we just say how smart the Moreland signing looks now?
Sure, but they'd still owe him all of his $22M for this year. And if the whole thing was just to negate the vesting option, I could see the players union putting up a huge stink about it.
