Gordon Hayward 2020: I'm standing here in pieces and you're having delusions of grandeur!

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Wyc needs to takeover Pure Sweat.

Move Drew and his team to Cambridge. Have them work strictly with Celtic and Red Claw players 24/7.
The funny thing is that, relative to most NBA expenditures, this would be very doable. At least that's my guess--I don't know exactly what price Hanlen commands these days.
 

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I spent some time rewatching last years preseason. Some of the two man game that Kyrie and Hayward were running and even some 3 man action w Horford we’re generating just wide open looks (yes I know, preseason defense). Can’t wait to have Hayward back out there this season. Aggressively jab stepping and laterally jumping on the ankle so smoothly is a great sight to see.
 

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The funny thing is that, relative to most NBA expenditures, this would be very doable. At least that's my guess--I don't know exactly what price Hanlen commands these days.
The money wouldn't be a problem, but I'd imagine that Hanlon has a certain cachet from training so many top players/prospects that couldn't be replicated of he works with 1 team.
 

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There are non NBA players who do shooting drills where they just make endless 3 pointers in a row. I don't remember his name but people in this very forum have talked about him before. NBA athletes are ridiculous. If you ever watch the pre game or half time warm ups, Jaylen Brown will hit like 90% of his FTs.

Some dude named Tom Amberry made 2750 consecutive FTs in 12 hours as a 71 year old guy.
 

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He was offered a job after by the Bulls and Lakers to teach their players FT shooting I believe. He didn't take the offers.
 

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There are non NBA players who do shooting drills where they just make endless 3 pointers in a row. I don't remember his name but people in this very forum have talked about him before. NBA athletes are ridiculous. If you ever watch the pre game or half time warm ups, Jaylen Brown will hit like 90% of his FTs.

Some dude named Tom Amberry made 2750 consecutive FTs in 12 hours as a 71 year old guy.
I'm not sure of the time limit but Ted St Martin holds the world record at over 5,000 as well as many other FT records he holds in Guinness. I know way too much about him from when he traveled under his Pepsi sponsorship in the 80's.
 

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Watching some of The Basketball Tournament reminded me how good the shooters are in the NBA.
 

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A sobering thought for the rest of the NBA. Hayward ranks third in career FG% and 3FG% compared to Tatum and Brown, and Hayward was brought here to be a shooter/scorer.
 

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Hayward is about to be a free agent again.

When Gordon Hayward can start meeting with sneaker companies about his next endorsement deal in August, expect New Balance to make a strong push for the All-Star, according to Nick DePaula of ESPN.com.

The Celtics forward has spent the bulk of his career playing in Nike shoes, but he has the chance to join a new brand before this upcoming season.

New Balance, which has its headquarters in Boston, partnered with the Celtics on their new practice facility recently as part of the company's attempt to gain more traction in the basketball world. Currently, the shoe company does not have a section on its website for basketball sneakers.
 

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A sobering thought for the rest of the NBA. Hayward ranks third in career FG% and 3FG% compared to Tatum and Brown, and Hayward was brought here to be a shooter/scorer.
I imagine the more sobering thought most coaches are having is "What the fuck do I do about Jayson Tatum if Hayward and Irving are on the floor?"
 

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Voiceover: "Nike destroyed my foot 5 minutes into the season .... so I switched to New Balance."
 

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I don't hang out at playgrounds any more. Are the New Balance basketball shoes well-regarded, either as an actual basketball shoe or as a fashion statement?
 

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I don't hang out at playgrounds any more. Are the New Balance basketball shoes well-regarded, either as an actual basketball shoe or as a fashion statement?
There really are none. They are hoping to jump back into market.
 

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I don't hang out at playgrounds any more. Are the New Balance basketball shoes well-regarded, either as an actual basketball shoe or as a fashion statement?
They stopped making basketball shoes altogether shortly after the infamous Matt Bonner sole explosion on the court. That was pretty much the end of their basketball brand until now.
 

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I don't hang out at playgrounds any more. Are the New Balance basketball shoes well-regarded, either as an actual basketball shoe or as a fashion statement?
NB are well regarded as running shoes. I've actually worn their basketball shoes (as they are one of the few manufacturers that makes wide BBall shoes) and let me assure you that you don't see them very often - if at all - on any court.
 

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I'm familiar with New Balance running shoes. I thought Adidas and Nike had pretty much locked up the basketball market, although I suppose some folks still wear Chuck Taylor all stars (Converse).
 

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There really are none. They are hoping to jump back into market.
Like in the disaster capitalism sense I think, hoping a space will open up with the recent college basketball scandals, as I understand it.

Good opportunity.
 

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I'd assume it was a joke with anyone else, but no, no one wears Chucks.
I haven't played up the Y in a while, but there might be some born in the 50s guys there still wearing them, all elbow and knee pads and shit.

Yeah NB makes wides. Would be nice if they splash the hoop market. Current options for us sasquatches are rough.
 

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Hipsters? You'll see plenty of people wearing chucks. They've never really gone out of style. I own maybe five pairs.

But we're talking basketball shoes.
 

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I imagine the more sobering thought most coaches are having is "What the fuck do I do about Jayson Tatum if Hayward and Irving are on the floor?"
...and Horford and Brown.

The Celtics should be a top 5 offensive efficiency team next year or something is wrong.
 

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This man. This team.

Can the season just start already? The 2007 Patriots and 2008 Celtics might have to take a back seat to this team if Gordon can come back at 95% or better.
 

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Drew Hanlen on GH:
You’re helping Gordon Hayward as he comes back from that devastating injury that he sustained in the first game of last season. How is Gordon looking and what’s the latest on his recovery?

DH: He’s doing really well. He’s up to full-speed workouts now, so he’s able to cut and play and do everything; there are no limitations in his workouts. Then, in the next week or two, he’s going to be able to start competing again, which is awesome because then we can begin to make adjustments and do stuff as he starts playing live – that’s super important so we can make sure everything we’re working on translates into games.

His biggest thing is being able to create his own shot. We want him to be able to create his own shot better. Playmaking is our No. 2 focus – being able to drive-and-kick and find shooters and just become a better passer. Then, No. 3 is giving him a mid-post game because we know a lot of teams in the NBA are starting to switch 1-through-4 or 1-through-5 and especially with the Celtics, with Al Horford playing as their 5 sometimes. We know a lot of teams are going to switch 1-through-5 and Gordon can be involved as a screener and get smaller guys on him. Basically, his main thing is isolation stuff, whether it’s mid-post or perimeter-oriented, and then becoming a better playmaker so that he can continue to make plays with all of those talented guys that the Celtics have around him.
https://hoopshype.com/2018/07/29/nba-offseason-training-joel-embiid-gordon-hayward-jayson-tatum-markelle-fultz/
Hanlen is also working with Tatum and thinks he'll be an All-Star next year.
 

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Drew Hanlen on GH:

https://hoopshype.com/2018/07/29/nba-offseason-training-joel-embiid-gordon-hayward-jayson-tatum-markelle-fultz/
Hanlen is also working with Tatum and thinks he'll be an All-Star next year.
Off topic, but for the last question, DH brings up a good point:

If you could work with any college or NBA player you haven’t trained yet, who would it be?

DH: I get this question all the time, so I have an answer prepared: It’d be Giannis [Antetokounmpo], the Greek Freak. The biggest reason is that I feel like if we worked together in the summer, he’d have a knock-down three-point shot and mid-range shot. And he’s already one of the best players in the NBA, I just think this would make him literally unstoppable. Giannis is the only guy I don’t currently work with that I think would be a really fun project, just because I think I could really help him in the shooting category, which would really open everything up.
 

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Giannis would be unstoppable if he were a lights-out shooter — who knew?

Am I the only one who this Hanlen dude is starting to annoy the shit out of, with his self-congratulatory promo vids about how early in the morning he wakes up, his “I get this question all the time,” and his irritating implication that he’s the only one on the planet who can do what he does? I wonder how much he must annoy the dozens of other less self-promoting player development guys in the league (say, Chip Engelland in SA, who helped turn Kawhi into Kawhi, or Darren Erman in NO, who did most of the heavy lifting with young Klay, Draymond and Barnes that Mark Jackson gets credit for, etc. etc.)

Edit: fwiw, Gordon Hayward was already fantastic at creating his own shot (23 pts per 36 on nearly .600 ts his last season with Utah) though I don’t doubt that Hanlan will take credit for it when he continues to be great.
 
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I think the point is that Hanlen likely could help Giannis's shot. I know Giannis has improved his mechanics over the years (he used to have a hitch) but from what I see from Hanlen, he does have a knack for improving form.

As for self-promotion, I doubt the other trainers care a ton. It's like that in every profession - there are some guys who are really good at marketing and some who just want to stay under the radar. The really great ones probably have more requests than time anyways.
 

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Giannis would be unstoppable if he were a lights-out shooter — who knew?

Am I the only one who this Hanlen dude is starting to annoy the shit out of, with his self-congratulatory promo vids about how early in the morning he wakes up, his “I get this question all the time,” and his irritating implication that he’s the only one on the planet who can do what he does? I wonder how much he must annoy the dozens of other less self-promoting player development guys in the league (say, Chip Engelland in SA, who helped turn Kawhi into Kawhi, or Darren Erman in NO, who did most of the heavy lifting with young Klay, Draymond and Barnes that Mark Jackson gets credit for, etc. etc.)

Edit: fwiw, Gordon Hayward was already fantastic at creating his own shot (23 pts per 36 on nearly .600 ts his last season with Utah) though I don’t doubt that Hanlan will take credit for it when he continues to be great.
You're not the target audience. Those other guys you mention are affiliated with teams, and players have no say in whether they get to work with them.

When players are evaluating a 3rd party coach like Hanlen, they want to see that his entire life is about his clients and the techniques of the game. Players appreciate having someone whose whole waking life is spent thinking about how to make them better

As for the marketing, what looks to you like self-promotion looks to them like skin in the game: if Hanlen clients start flopping in large numbers, his business is done.
 

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The guy works with the top people on earth in their profession and makes them better. It shouldn't be a surprise that he has a bit of an ego.
 

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This is interesting.

According to former Cavaliers general manager David Griffin, Irving had garnered commitments to bring in Gordon Hayward, Trevor Ariza and Channing Frye. James’ return to Cleveland, though, naturally caused that deal to fall apart.
Looks like Kyrie and Gordon have wanted to play together for a while. Can't wait to see it actually happen.
 

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This is interesting.



Looks like Kyrie and Gordon have wanted to play together for a while. Can't wait to see it actually happen.
Kyrie and Hayward discussed this back in early Sept at their dual presser in Boston. Young's piece, and the weird timing of it (slow news day?), doesn't clearly describe what Hayward meant by not provided context to Hayward's quote of "LeBron kinda squashed that"...….making it sound as if LeBron did something more than simply requiring the necessary cap space for him to sign back in Cleveland.
 
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