Giselle is a model this isn't her area of expertise. I mean if it was, vaccines and autism, sure then you rely on the opinion of somebody who made their money by getting photographed, but concussions? No way.
Gisele: Tom has had Unreported Concussions Every Year
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I'm happy with another four game suspension/vacation for Tom while Jimmy plays. Worked out fine last year.
Whether this will continue to blow up into a story that grabs the news cycle, and the NFL pursuing discipline against the Pats, are mostly discrete issues. The former is pretty much a lock, and the latter is some serious Ballghazi PTSD shit.
Next one is a full season + ??. If somehow this infraction turned out to be the next one (unlikely, I know), it wouldn't be Tom's fault, so we'd probably lose Bill.
The idea that the NFL will be rational with discipline has almost never been correct - I'm not sure why people keep starting with that assumption.
The Patriots should react aggressively to this.
Yep, there just might be enough "there" there for the NFL to get more involved and yes, levy penalties. The idea that they would be constrained by a lack of "there" is simply wrong.
And to me, penalizing Brady or more likely, the Pats, for not reporting a concussion (assuming they can actually gather some evidence) given the emphasis on player safety (whether they actually give a shit or not) is a lot easier to understand than penalizing the Pats and Brady for the ball deflation fantasy, regardless of the level of proof.
Gisele: hun you look beat up, do you have a concussion??
Tom: i might. We should go to the dark room together to make sure it goes away.
Gisele: ok hun lets go again, dont know why you keep getting concussed!
Tom: i might. We should go to the dark room together to make sure it goes away.
Gisele: ok hun lets go again, dont know why you keep getting concussed!
How could Brady possibly be penalized? The CBA makes no obligation on the part of the player to do anything; it's all on the team. Contrary to what's often quoted in the press and on this forum, Goodell does not have a blank check to totally ignore the CBA.
As for the Pats, there's still no there there.
Regarding Edelman in 49, his odd stagger off the turf seems much more related to his hip injury and not a concussion. The guy traveled to Disneyland the day after the SB and rode in an open vehicle in the sun = not concussed in all probability.
There's never really going to be rationality about things like this after deflategate.
Hence reading that NFL release and worrying about penalties, which aren't going to happen here unless the Pats were up to some actual scumbaggery this time and the Pats and Brady were super dumb about it, both of which probably didn't happen.
By far the most likely outcome is that the non medical professional speaking in a second language calling something a concussion that wasn't a concussion.
The CBA makes no obligation for players to travel to see Goodell for PED investigations, but Goodell compelled players to do that when the Manning thing came out. Article 46 trumps all.
There's no reason for people to be rational about this stuff because the NFL has never been rational about it.
More to the point, it's perfectly rational to have some concern that an irrational and power hungry commissioner will seize on whatever he can to flex his muscles. We know that Goodell was humiliated by Kraft's podium remarks and Patricia's t-shirt. The notion that he would turn himself into a pretzel, especially if he is egged on by the same owners who used DG to correct the perceived SpyGate wrongs, as he seeks some revenge isn't hard to grasp. And he has the perfect fig leaf to wrap himself in -- player safety.
To be clear, I do not think that anything will come of this. I agree there is not much in the way of evidence. Gisellle's comments can be explained away, I suspect. But Roger is a drunken sheriff with a gun, and saying that we know he won't aim it recklessly defies our experiences with him.
Yes, both parts of this are important for this forum, I think, more generally:
1. Sadly, it is not irrational to worry about the NFL acting unethically. Anyone who questions that simply has not paid attention to Deflategate (and/or doesn't understand the precedents that were uprooted by the way the NFL conducted itself)
2. That being true does not change that you need at least some facts to exist in order to screw the Pats. Right now, those don't exist on the concussion matter and we have no reason to believe they ever will. If they begin to appear, I'll get worried but right now it's all item 1 without any item 2.
There was a guy in the neighborhood we kids called Dingle. It didn't mean a county of origin. It was a reference to the fact that anything and everything set him off, the bell on the ice cream truck, let alone the garbage trucks on their weekly pass. And by set him off -- ducking for cover, running, yelling and so forth.
It was really funny -- till a parent explained that Dingle had been blown out of several tanks during the War. PTSD before that was the name for it.
Not that the experiences are comparable -- of course they are not -- but we're Dingles on everything the League does.
That statement from the NFL had to issue for business and legal reasons that dwarf the anti-Pats sentiment in the minds of the evil Commish and the most evil of owners (yes, Mr. Mara as well).
I expect this to go away quickly.
NFL Launches Inquiry into Brady's Medical Records.
Everyone still comfortable saying that nothing will come of this? Personally, I think the probability that Belichick is banned for a season has just gone up to about 20%. Because if the NFL feels motivated to find something, they will. And if they can claim to be taking a "hard line" on concussions in the process, well, all the better.
Everyone still comfortable saying that nothing will come of this? Personally, I think the probability that Belichick is banned for a season has just gone up to about 20%. Because if the NFL feels motivated to find something, they will. And if they can claim to be taking a "hard line" on concussions in the process, well, all the better.
I don't understand why people here talk as if there is any rationality or logical consistency in how the NFL handles....ANYTHING. We could spend all day easily listing the ways that Goodell has been wildly inconsistent and almost (maybe not "almost") arbitrary in his decision-making. Given that it's clear he's been sticking it to the Pats, it's hardly irrational or unreasonable to worry that he could find a way to make this a huge deal and penalize the Patriots accordingly, even if he's not done that in other cases where injuries and/or concussions have been hidden.
Not only could he stick it to the pats, but by making a huge deal out of this, Goodell would only look like he's cracking down on concussions. I think you're nuts if you're feeling like this will just go away. (But I hope you're right.)
Goodell has done a remarkable job sealing off liability on this issue -- the settlement covers most former players, and the risks are so well-known now that the league will likely be able to defend future suits on "assumption of risk" grounds (even states that have abolished that defense usually reach similar results on other grounds).
That structure falls apart, however, if the clubs don't do their part -- following protocols, getting concussed players out of games, and keeping them out until they are medically cleared to play again. I expect the NFL's investigation will focus exclusively on whether the Patriots followed the rules; if they did and Brady deceived them, that's on him. But if the league concludes Brady was in fact concussed, and that the Patriots' medical staff knew or should have known about it, then I would expect the Ginger Hammer to come down hard on the organization (and rightly so).
The other owners will all be frightened -- they don't have their arms around this issue any better than the Pats do -- so I don't think you'll have the same dynamic as DFG with other owners pushing Goodell to make an example of New England. I'm therefore cautiously optimistic that nothing will come of this investigation.
We have multiple situations in the last year where a player has said in a news conference that he had an injury during the season that the team failed to report. Nothing to speak of came of those revelations. I get that the NFL can be inconsistent, but unless there is some hard evidence that the Pats, their doctors, or training staff concealed info on a Tom head injury, I don't expect anything to come of his wife saying he had a concussion where nothing else supports that position.
This is an issue the NFL will take serious because its a head injury, but they've got independent neuro guys on the sidelines and spotters. If the Pats were concealing a condition, there are checks in place to discover it independently. I expect nothing will come of this.
This is an issue the NFL will take serious because its a head injury, but they've got independent neuro guys on the sidelines and spotters. If the Pats were concealing a condition, there are checks in place to discover it independently. I expect nothing will come of this.
I bet if Brady threatened to sue the league and use whatever they "Dredge up" against the league/Patriots in that Suit this would get dropped quickly.
If the league does go after this, it will show that their hate of the Pats is bigger then there own self preservation.
If the league does go after this, it will show that their hate of the Pats is bigger then there own self preservation.
The problem is that the Seahawks precedent involved Sherman's knee. Goodell could say that the Patriots failed to disclose a head injury, something that the league takes much more seriously and has protocols in place to protect, and therefore the punishment is a draft pick rather than a warning. And thanks to 2/3 of the Second Circuit, he has the authority to do that.
I agree with you, though, that the more likely outcome is nothing comes of this. There would need to be documentation somewhere of a concussion. If there were, it would have come out before Mrs. Brady's comments.
It seems that the CBS story, although time-stamped today, might be behind the curve? This is from the ESPN story yesterday:
"In a statement issued later Wednesday, the league said records it reviewed did not indicate Brady had suffered any type of head ailment.
'We have reviewed all reports relating to Tom Brady from the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultants and certified athletic trainer spotters who worked at Patriots' home and away 2016 season games as well as club injury reports that were sent to the league office,' an NFL spokesman said. 'There are no records that indicate that Mr. Brady suffered a head injury or concussion, or exhibited or complained of concussion symptoms.'"
"In a statement issued later Wednesday, the league said records it reviewed did not indicate Brady had suffered any type of head ailment.
'We have reviewed all reports relating to Tom Brady from the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultants and certified athletic trainer spotters who worked at Patriots' home and away 2016 season games as well as club injury reports that were sent to the league office,' an NFL spokesman said. 'There are no records that indicate that Mr. Brady suffered a head injury or concussion, or exhibited or complained of concussion symptoms.'"
They basically need to come up with evidence Brady told a Patriot employee (perhaps someone on med staff, perhaps anyone---not sure how concussion protocol guidelines are written) that he had a concussion and they did not report it for this to be an issue.
I doubt they get either part of that, ever. If there is one guy in the entire NFL predisposed to tell the NFL he is not answering questions from them about anything, it is Tom Brady. That's especially true if the real lawyers he eventually brought into the last persecution keep Don Yee locked away somewhere.
I doubt they get either part of that, ever. If there is one guy in the entire NFL predisposed to tell the NFL he is not answering questions from them about anything, it is Tom Brady. That's especially true if the real lawyers he eventually brought into the last persecution keep Don Yee locked away somewhere.
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That structure falls apart, however, if the clubs don't do their part -- following protocols, getting concussed players out of games, and keeping them out until they are medically cleared to play again. I expect the NFL's investigation will focus exclusively on whether the Patriots followed the rules; if they did and Brady deceived them, that's on him. But if the league concludes Brady was in fact concussed, and that the Patriots' medical staff knew or should have known about it, then I would expect the Ginger Hammer to come down hard on the organization (and rightly so).
The other owners will all be frightened -- they don't have their arms around this issue any better than the Pats do -- so I don't think you'll have the same dynamic as DFG with other owners pushing Goodell to make an example of New England. I'm therefore cautiously optimistic that nothing will come of this investigation.[/QUOTE]
Let's assess any potential discipline for any "alleged" concussion from a couple undisputed facts
1) The NFL's concussion program is brandy new and has been exposed on multiple occasions for being nonsense. The clubs last year sent numerous players (especially QBs Henne Savage R. Wilson the Rams guy before Goff , A Smith the list goes on) back onto the field looking at the least dazed.
2) Why did the NFL's latest iteration of concussion "improvement" come in response to ? Shocker in response to a Patriot player (Edelman) playing after being destroyed on a play in the biggest game.
3) So the NFL is going to try once again to whack the Patriots with some type of "repeater punishment" once they get an "independent" medical examiner to comb through some medical records ? ( let's assume the NFL is stupid incompetent etc and wants all Brady's medical record like when they claimed to have a right to "all" his communications. )
4) So RG theoretically could want to go down the road of punishing Pats/Brady for not wanting to provide league info on how he treats his cranium in a particular way under the "best interests of the game" ? This after the NFL has spent years denying the cumulative impact of sub concussive never mind concussive hits. Good fucking luck Rog.
Bottom Line
Unlike the picture perfect leak job that was the initial framing of DFG the NFL will have/has no credibility in arguing their current concussion program should engender any faith in either the current NFL player participants or the Moms and Dads of children all over the country or the retired vets popping up in weekly articles acknowledging brain issues already taking effect.
The NFL as noted has done an expert job at minimizing their exposure from concussion liability. Litigating in the court of public opinion how the GOAT QB playing at an elite level at 40 is treating/protecting his brain and consequently shining the brightest of lights on the NFL's biggest long term danger, sub concussive/concussive hits, would be beyond incredibly stupid ( RG's wheelhouse). It would be near suicidal for the league on an issue they are "winning" in financial terms.
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If you think Tom or the Patriots are going to be cooperative or have any illusions about the NFL acting in any sort of "good faith" in any investigation I've got some real estate to sell you.
I thought that at first too, but the full statement says that the league has been in contact with the players' association and they will work together to gather additional information from the Patriots' medical staff and Mr. Brady.
It's certainly possible, then, that CBS is reporting on that aspect of the statement.
I would think RG does not want to appear going after the Pats again. Of course I thought Nick Cafardo would not want to defend Bobby Valentine again.
My hope is that they are just reviewing the med files again and making calls to people in the Pats org, and Brady himself, to ask "Hey, did Brady ever report a concussion? Or symptoms that a reasonable person would conclude was a concussion? No? Ok."
And that's probably what it will end up with, and soon, to take advantage of all this Trump press cover.
And that's probably what it will end up with, and soon, to take advantage of all this Trump press cover.
I think one has to conclude that she and Tom have different views about if and when he should retire, right? Isn't that by far the most likely explanation?
It feels somehow more likely that Tom Brady hid any concussion symptoms from the team than that the team would hide it.
Why?
Jimmy Garoppolo.
Brady plays for a coach that's about 'next man up'. And he's likely (and probably quite accurately) concerned that if Garoppolo plays, Brady may never get the job back.
Why?
Jimmy Garoppolo.
Brady plays for a coach that's about 'next man up'. And he's likely (and probably quite accurately) concerned that if Garoppolo plays, Brady may never get the job back.
Yes, I remember last training camp where BB held a press conference to specifically say "if Jimmy G plays well he can win the quarterback job".
Correct. Unless 1) The Pats were up to actual scumbaggery like knowingly playing guys that have concussions and violating NFL protocols and 2) were dumb enough to do so in a way such that they can be shown circumventing the rules nothing is going to come of this. Its not going to be like deflategate where massive penalties are assessed over nothing. If they were fucking with the concussion protocols after everything that's happen they kind of deserve whatever they get, but doubt that was happening here.
I think one has to conclude that she and Tom have different views about if and when he should retire, right? Isn't that by far the most likely explanation?
Im guessing she doesnt spend a lot of time brushing up on her medical diagnosis skills or a lot of time on espn.com learning about the nuances of the injury report and the concussion protocols.
Whatever Gisele might want in regards to Tom's future, to purposely sabotage his career rather than negotiating or convincing him to retire on his own would show what kind of selfish person she really is. If she wants him to retire, it's because she cares about him, and that behavior would be counterintuitive.
The simple answer is she had a huge brain fart.
Hopefully it doesn't come to this, but if the league makes "subpoena" demands of the Patriots, do they acquiesce and risk discovery of a stupid "deflate" text, or do they lawyer up and show they're willing to fight everything in the courts - both legal and public opinion?
She implied he's susceptible to a particular injury that could impact future contracts/career options. She implied that Brady -who has been labeled a liar and a cheat by the whole nation and has fought for his reputation-is,in fact, a liar and a cheat.
It's probably tough to be married to a supermodel too but you wouldn't go around implying your wife had an eating disorder.
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r maybe plastic surgery is more apropos.
I think it's incredibly poor judgement on her part.
It's probably tough to be married to a supermodel too but you wouldn't go around implying your wife had an eating disorder.
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r maybe plastic surgery is more apropos. I think it's incredibly poor judgement on her part.
The simplest way out here is for Brady to throw his wife under the bus a bit here since she is the one that outed him on TV. It would be a simple matter to say something along the lines of:
"My wife like all good spouses is looking after my best interests. There are often times when I come home from work with headaches, aches and pains. With the issues of CTE being in the forefront of many players minds her concern for me is understandable. I do however have to remind her on occasion that a few hours googling medical symptoms doesn't yet confer her a medical degree. Have I mentioned I love my wife?"
And let it ride.
"My wife like all good spouses is looking after my best interests. There are often times when I come home from work with headaches, aches and pains. With the issues of CTE being in the forefront of many players minds her concern for me is understandable. I do however have to remind her on occasion that a few hours googling medical symptoms doesn't yet confer her a medical degree. Have I mentioned I love my wife?"
And let it ride.
Out of here?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19416415/aston-martin-signs-new-england-patriots-qb-tom-brady-endorsement-deal
That's our Brady news for the day. On PFT too.
How salty are we going to get when the actors in this play fail to justify our victimhood?