And here we go, for our next Patriots scandal!
I don't blame Gisele, because she's probably right and is talking out of concern for her husband. But that's not the point. We all know what this will lead to.
Gisele: Tom has had Unreported Concussions Every Year
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And here we go, for our next Patriots scandal!
I don't blame Gisele, because she's probably right and is talking out of concern for her husband. But that's not the point. We all know what this will lead to.
Nothing. As knowingly flouting the injury report means a sternly worded letter from the league per the Steelers and Seahawks violations.
12 wins and a deep playoff run?
Are people honestly worried about consequences for this or is this just part of the running deflategate joke? Honestly can't tell anymore.
Slow news time for the NFL so this will get some airtime but no, this isnt going to cost the Pats a 1st round pick.
Which is supposedly worse: not following the protocol, or fudging the injury report?
(obligatory: how good would this guy be if he wasn't hampered with a brain injury?)
(obligatory: how good would this guy be if he wasn't hampered with a brain injury?)
Nah, wont have that much in terms of legs unless the Pats were really doing something dumb. Not that juicy or interesting and after Deflategate I dont really think Rog or even the owners would even want to go there.
Does seem like Rog could make Brady turn over all cell phone communications between Giselle and Tom if he really wanted to though given the previous court ruling.
Does seem like Rog could make Brady turn over all cell phone communications between Giselle and Tom if he really wanted to though given the previous court ruling.
Honestly if this was the case it falls on the NFL spotters for failing to pickup on any of this. Nothing will come of this
I'm sure Tom's thrilled about this interview. She probably thinks she said something completely harmless and had no idea people would jump on it.
What's interesting is the growing vocal rift about Tom's professional future. Tom's a football lifer who would gladly get his body smacked around for the rest of his life, and Gisele clearly doesn't get it or want to see any more of it. She's retired, and he's 40, so she probably wants them both to just be retired, rich, and host charity galas together. I wonder if this issue gets worse for Tom or them.
What's interesting is the growing vocal rift about Tom's professional future. Tom's a football lifer who would gladly get his body smacked around for the rest of his life, and Gisele clearly doesn't get it or want to see any more of it. She's retired, and he's 40, so she probably wants them both to just be retired, rich, and host charity galas together. I wonder if this issue gets worse for Tom or them.
Wasn't it reported that she asked him to retire after SB51 and he said no? Her going vocal with her concerns about his long-term health are a natural response to that.
How encompassing a term is concussion? Do you technically suffer a concussion every time you get hit in the head with any real force, or is it a higher threshold?
He caught a knee to the back of the head towards the end of the Super Bowl. If she's referring to that concussion it wouldn't be disclosed anyway.
Who knows what their nutjob fake doctor thinks a concussion is? He claims it can be prevented with electrolytes, so he probably has a pretty loose understanding of it. If Brady and the Mrs. think tomatoes cause inflammation, they can buy anything.
Or maybe she doesn't want a 3rd child...a 50 year old ex-QB who doesn't know what day it is. Given their financial position, i.e., he doesn't have to keep playing to put food on the table, and assuming a reasonably healthy marriage, I would think that's a regular topic of conversation. And it's not like he's 30 and this shit only happens to "old" players. He's 40 and it happens to guys not that much older than him. She'd have to be nuts *not* to be freaked out. And she *should* have a say in it.
If he did come out and say, "I've played 20 years and have been very lucky with my health. I owe it to my family to keep it that way, so I'm done" leather-lunged couch potatoes would be firing testosterone fueled missile at Ms. B.
I think the most likely explanation is a disconnect between what Giselle thinks is a concussion and what needs to be listed as a concussion on the injury report.
But even if he did have concussions, when they occurred matters for injur report purposes.
Brady wouldn't be the first player to conceal concussion symptoms and the spotter system isn't perfect. Given that the source of the report isn't a league/team employee or a medical expert, I doubt the NFL does anything publicly.
The concussion issue is too much of a third rail and I don't think the league has the energy to go 12 rounds with the Pats again.
The concussion issue is too much of a third rail and I don't think the league has the energy to go 12 rounds with the Pats again.
My guess he was trying to get out of some family obligation and pulled the "Sorry, Honey, I am a little concussed. Can't do it."
Putting aside any league stupidity, if the organization is ignoring his concussions and enabling him to avoid the protocol, that's disgusting.
Not surprising given this is the NFL, but still disgusting. If this is true, I wish he would retire. As fans we couldn't possibly ask for more than what he's already given us.
Not surprising given this is the NFL, but still disgusting. If this is true, I wish he would retire. As fans we couldn't possibly ask for more than what he's already given us.
"Who did I vote for? No idea, keep blacking out from these concussions."
Come. On. Guys.
The NFL isn't blowing up any concussion related scandal, Patriots or not. It's a lose-lose game for them.
The NFL isn't blowing up any concussion related scandal, Patriots or not. It's a lose-lose game for them.
I share the view that nothing will likely come out of this.
But when you step back, what's a more reasonable cause for discipline -- it being more probable than not that one of your team's lackeys adjusted air pressure in footballs or your wife admitting that you had unreported concussions?
Again, I think it's highly unlikely that anything comes of this. But let's not put anything past the most incompetent and frankly corrupt (in the sense that he allowed the other owners to bully him into engaging in a witch hunt) commissioners in North American professional sports history.
Ironically, the savings grace may be that Goodell may be reluctant to make it look like he has a continuing obsession with Brady.
But when you step back, what's a more reasonable cause for discipline -- it being more probable than not that one of your team's lackeys adjusted air pressure in footballs or your wife admitting that you had unreported concussions?
Again, I think it's highly unlikely that anything comes of this. But let's not put anything past the most incompetent and frankly corrupt (in the sense that he allowed the other owners to bully him into engaging in a witch hunt) commissioners in North American professional sports history.
Ironically, the savings grace may be that Goodell may be reluctant to make it look like he has a continuing obsession with Brady.
Precisely, then there is the whole Seahawks thing with Sherman and everything else.
Whether anything comes of it, solely depends on whether the media starts to make a big deal out of it to the point where the NFL feels it needs to "react".
So let's give it time to percolate and see where it goes.
Florio is already on his second piece in less than 2 hours.
So let's give it time to percolate and see where it goes.
Florio is already on his second piece in less than 2 hours.
@edmunddantes is exactly right.
The thing is, the NFL can't actively do anything to bury this story, or that becomes a story itself. All they can do is sit back and pray. The default position is likely to not stir the pot and make things worse themselves. But if the media and public backlash becomes great enough, their best course of action suddenly flips to taking a strong stance against this great injustice to the integrity of the game. Consider me slightly terrified. It's irrational...but so is the NFL.
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Things we dont actually have evidence of
1) TB had a concussion
2) The Patriots knew TB had such concussion
3) The Patriots didnt go through proper protocols regarding such concussion.
There's no "there" here. Brady, most likely, will make a statement at some point and this will disappear. Spygate had a guy with a camera and an issue owners were gleefully looking to bury the Patriots with.
Deflategate had balls under the allowed PSI level, shady characters with incriminating text messages, cell phone intrigue, and an issue owners were gleefully looking to bury the Patriots with.
This has an offhand comment from a players wife about an issue thats an existential threat to the existence of the league which owners have zero desire to create a circus around.
1) TB had a concussion
2) The Patriots knew TB had such concussion
3) The Patriots didnt go through proper protocols regarding such concussion.
There's no "there" here. Brady, most likely, will make a statement at some point and this will disappear. Spygate had a guy with a camera and an issue owners were gleefully looking to bury the Patriots with.
Deflategate had balls under the allowed PSI level, shady characters with incriminating text messages, cell phone intrigue, and an issue owners were gleefully looking to bury the Patriots with.
This has an offhand comment from a players wife about an issue thats an existential threat to the existence of the league which owners have zero desire to create a circus around.
Brady gets clobbered in the head on I think the second play from scrimmage of the game tying drive in the Super Bowl. I thought he looked a little woozy. The ref actually even appeared to check on him.
I think I remember having a momentary fear that the eye in the sky would buzz down, but it didn't seem likely in the Super Bowl.
I guess that would become a story with some legs -- if a reporter wanted to push it. The angle would be whether the NFL has a sliding scale for when it decides to buzz down depending on the player and the size of the moment. I think this story has already been written. Heck, it could have easily been speculated on for Edelman in 49. But Brady, especially given the enormity of what happened, would definitely be more of a story that people might care about. I guess I wouldn't care, because it really has nothing to do with the Patriots. I suppose that the haters would use it to say that the win is somehow not legitimate because Brady should have had to be evaluated, but I don't care about that. They aren't taking the trophy away.
But I definitely have noticed some plays where I'm pretty surprised that there is no buzz or evaluation and I guess if anyone tends to focus on that play or one like it somewhere else in the season, we might get the NFL having to play defense on defending its eye in the sky policies.
I think I remember having a momentary fear that the eye in the sky would buzz down, but it didn't seem likely in the Super Bowl.
I guess that would become a story with some legs -- if a reporter wanted to push it. The angle would be whether the NFL has a sliding scale for when it decides to buzz down depending on the player and the size of the moment. I think this story has already been written. Heck, it could have easily been speculated on for Edelman in 49. But Brady, especially given the enormity of what happened, would definitely be more of a story that people might care about. I guess I wouldn't care, because it really has nothing to do with the Patriots. I suppose that the haters would use it to say that the win is somehow not legitimate because Brady should have had to be evaluated, but I don't care about that. They aren't taking the trophy away.
But I definitely have noticed some plays where I'm pretty surprised that there is no buzz or evaluation and I guess if anyone tends to focus on that play or one like it somewhere else in the season, we might get the NFL having to play defense on defending its eye in the sky policies.
We do know Pats didn't meet the reporting requirement under 3 if 1 and 2 occurred. However, as you note, we have no real evidence 1 and 2 occurred and 3 is not applicble without those both occurring.
At initiation, Deflategate had only the PSI measurements so that's the comparison to this story right now, not the subsequently discovered baloney.
However, your larger point there is not right now any 'there' there is quite true.
Wasn't there a recent high profile story which taught us we shouldn't require proof to take a claim seriously? Just like Adam Jones at Fenway Park, I'm believing Brady's wife when she claims he had a concussion last season.
If Brady got a concussion during the Super Bowl, which protocols did the Patriots violate? Second point is fair, but "11 out of 12 balls measured under the required PSI, league office is distraught and ashamed" is something pretty tangible. This is an offhand comment made by his wife in her second language.
Rest easy, this is a smart crowd. No one here will be dumb enough to make that kind of comparison.
I think you're giving football fans way too much credit for how they will react to her comments.
I agree with your larger point, of course. To the degree we give any credence at all to her quote (which I think we should not absent more info), she said 'concussions' plural, so even if there was one in the Super Bowl there was at least one other one which would need to have been reported. I suppose one could come up with various hypotheticals where there was not a violation of 3---this year's super bowl and last game of some other season; this year's super bowl and years before the concussion protocol was in place, etc. But we're way, way beyond the evidence already...
This is what the NFL should look into. I doubt they will and there is a decent likelihood that there is nothing to see. However, the NFL should follow up on it but, as others have posted, they really don't want to know about these things which is why they've ignored similar things in the past.
Here's an entirely plausible scenario:
Sunday evening:
TB: "Man, that hit knocked me pretty hard today. I've still got a rip roaring headache from it".
Giselle: "Are you going to talk to Alex about it?"
TB: "Yeah, just texted him. He's got some concussion water ready for me".
Tuesday morning:
Alex: "How are you feeling today?"
TB: "Mucho better. "
Alex: "Did you tell the training staff?"
TB: "Nah..., I really need the time to prepare for next Sunday's game"
The idea that Tom Brady, a QB in the NFL for 16 seasons, has had some unreported concussions is not exactly a Comey-like revelation. But I do realize such subtlety will be too much for the hot takez media folks. Belichick and the evil Patriots covering up a concussion to a star player and leaving it unreported is just too juicy for the mediots.
Sunday evening:
TB: "Man, that hit knocked me pretty hard today. I've still got a rip roaring headache from it".
Giselle: "Are you going to talk to Alex about it?"
TB: "Yeah, just texted him. He's got some concussion water ready for me".
Tuesday morning:
Alex: "How are you feeling today?"
TB: "Mucho better. "
Alex: "Did you tell the training staff?"
TB: "Nah..., I really need the time to prepare for next Sunday's game"
The idea that Tom Brady, a QB in the NFL for 16 seasons, has had some unreported concussions is not exactly a Comey-like revelation. But I do realize such subtlety will be too much for the hot takez media folks. Belichick and the evil Patriots covering up a concussion to a star player and leaving it unreported is just too juicy for the mediots.
It is possible that Tom Brady had a concussion (or that he thought he was concussed or that Gisele thought he was concussed), that the Patriots put him through the concussion protocol, and that he was cleared to play. We've seen several game day examples of guys getting cleared when it looked for the whole world that they were concussed.
Edit: Although I guess as pointed out above then we should have heard about this.
Edit: Although I guess as pointed out above then we should have heard about this.
I just heard on WFAN that the NFLPA is looking into the matter.
Edit link
http://nesn.com/2017/05/nfl-rumors-nflpa-looking-into-concussions-gisele-said-tom-brady-suffered/
Edit link
http://nesn.com/2017/05/nfl-rumors-nflpa-looking-into-concussions-gisele-said-tom-brady-suffered/
Yep, the Seahawks got a warning. The Colts got no penalty for not disclosing Luck's broken ribs.
But it's the Patriots. And it's Brady. So that means we have to go through this nonsense until something more interesting comes along.
Good thing, though, that Brady isn't polarizing
The league absolutely has a reason to attack this and take it seriously. It's not that they want the head trauma issue to go away, that's impossible. They want to appear as proactive as possible to avoid getting their behinds sued off when things get nasty on this issue very soon. Their stance is the CTE equivalent of appearing "tough on crime."
Those of you giving precedent of lack of penalties on situations like this are hilarious. They mean nothing and have consistently meant nothing in the past. Why would that matter now?
Those of you giving precedent of lack of penalties on situations like this are hilarious. They mean nothing and have consistently meant nothing in the past. Why would that matter now?
I'm sure this is nothing more than Tom playing through feelings of being woozy and not reporting it to a trainer. Then telling his wife he has a severe headache as a result of some hits. Just because she is claiming he's had concussions as termed within the house doesn't mean the team, trainers, spotters did anything wrong in their protocol on treatment and reporting. I'm sure they've got records of every time he was put through concussion protocol out of precaution. Doubt there is much to see here. Plus the dude headbutts anyone that will get near him pregame. I can't say I've ever seen him not look like he's ready to go after a hit. Unlike Edelman in SB49 after the hit by Cam.