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soxfan121

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Why do people assume that Goodell is anything but a reflection of how the owners want this League run?

Rice would not make a dime of difference, which she undoubtably understands. I don't believe she would be into spinning awful things more artfully to the fans.
I agree. She's reached the career pinnacle in spinning awful things more artfully by working directly for the NCAA. There's no higher achievement for an American. She'd have to emigrate to Switzerland or something to get the #1 spinning awful things job in the world.

Yep, this is your bi-annual reminder that as bad as Goodell is, he doesn't work for the NCAA and FIFA would judge him a wannabe poseur.
 

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Estadio Azteca was apparently damaged during the recent earthquake in Mexico and according to reports has a massive crack in the side. Obviously it is too soon to know how serious the damage is (and its trivial in light of everything else going on down there), but the NFL will presumably have to make a decision relatively soon whether or not to have the Raiders - Patriots game relocated.
 

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Estadio Azteca was apparently damaged during the recent earthquake in Mexico and according to reports has a massive crack in the side. Obviously it is too soon to know how serious the damage is (and its trivial in light of everything else going on down there), but the NFL will presumably have to make a decision relatively soon whether or not to have the Raiders - Patriots game relocated.
Charles Robinson‏Verified account @CharlesRobinson 11m11 minutes ago
Following Mexico City earthquake, #NFL is having the stadium hosting this year's international game inspected. Initial reports are good.
 

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If Azteca is found to need repair, there are six other 40,000+ stadiums that might be able to host the event.
 

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I agree. She's reached the career pinnacle in spinning awful things more artfully by working directly for the NCAA. There's no higher achievement for an American. She'd have to emigrate to Switzerland or something to get the #1 spinning awful things job in the world.

Yep, this is your bi-annual reminder that as bad as Goodell is, he doesn't work for the NCAA and FIFA would judge him a wannabe poseur.
I would still prefer an African American woman in this role – even if she was every bit as bad if not worse than Goodell.
 

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Is that really so hard to understand? People on this board talk as if Goodell is 100% a proxy for the owners – as if any and every human in that role would be almost exactly the same, make all the same choices and lead the league with exactly the same style.

It's a lazy point. Exhibit A is Paul Tagliabue who not only ran the league with a very different style (think he would've let Mara and Irsay run wild during DFG?) but actually disagreed with a prominent appeal decision that Goodell made. Yes he led in a different era (tho not Rozelle different) with different owners (tho again, not that different) and is probably Public Enemy #1 when it comes to player safety concerns compared to Goodell who mostly inherited the problem. But this isn't exactly apples and oranges, and it's not hard to imagine Tagliabue disapproves of the job his successor is doing.

Exhibit B is that Goodell has never had a job outside the NFL. He is in every sense of the word a Company Man – which of course the owners wanted but which also has proven to come with a number of drawbacks. Not least of which is the ability to turn the page on said player safety issue.

An African American female commissioner is by its virtue someone from the outside. This is a league that has been openly hostile to women for at least a half century, deeply misogynistic in its practices and culture and has no women in significant leadership positions (outside of that phony player safety position). And unless I'm mistaken, she would be the only African American in the room during owners meetings.

Rice would of course have the same overall priorities as Goodell – crushing the union, expanding the game to other solar systems, and squeezing profits to the nth degree out of the league before it legal bills do it in. She would also be talking about all the same stuff: how "the game is safer than its ever been," etc.

But she would also come with a very different set of public expectations, fair or not, that the All Powerful Owners would be forced to grapple with. These include issues of gender and race most obviously but also violence and other cultural issues, as well as heightened scrutiny over the league's use of taxpayer dollars.

If you can't see how that would be an improvement on what we have now then I don't know what to say to you.

Edit: Mods, feel free to split this out since we have gone pretty far afield from news and transactions.
 

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It's like you think you're being progressive, but the "even if she's as bad if not worse than Goodell" is a shit thing to say. You can make all those points you made above while still recognizing that there are an incredible amount of black women who could do the job much better than Roger.
 

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How on earth are you concluding that I don't think an African American woman could be more competent than Goodell?

In case it wasn't clear, the point I was making was not "Even a black woman could do this job" – it's "Having a black woman in this job would be a good thing all things being equal."
 

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How about, the most competent applicant?
Man is that a narrow choice based on some superficial factors.
Also, why would we want a shitty African American female to be commissioner, just as bad if not worse than Goodell?
I still hang my head thinking about how I and many of my friends worked ourselves into a masturbatory lather over how Condi would be the serious adult influence in foreign affairs that W so sorely needed. Right.
 

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Per Schefter Rog is getting extended
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The source confirmed that Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones raised issues about the deal and wanted to open up the search during the process. ESPN reported Sunday that Jones had inserted himself into discussions.

"That's what he tried to do," the source said, "but he got shot down."

A conference call on Wednesday of the compensation committee helped seal the deal. The committee consists of six owners: chairman Arthur Blank (Falcons); Clark Hunt (Chiefs); Robert Kraft (Patriots); John Mara (Giants); Bob McNair (Texans); and Art Rooney II (Steelers).

"It's done from ownership perspective," the source said, adding that the committee "wouldn't approve something that Roger wouldn't agree to."
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20770546/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-new-contract-getting-done

Predictable, but at least we can take solace that Jerry Jones was told to shut up and go along.
 

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Predictable, but at least we can take solace that Jerry Jones was told to shut up and go along.
I don't take much solace in that. If Kraft didn't tell him to shut up about the non cap violations then maybe some other things would have been different.
 

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20770546/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-new-contract-getting-done

Predictable, but at least we can take solace that Jerry Jones was told to shut up and go along.
I am in Dallas' corner on the Elliott matter for reasons explained in that thread.

But this just confirms NFL owners are like spoiled 11 year old brats. DFG -- Jerry tells Kraft to suck it up for the greater good and that he Jerry has been nicked too. Elliot gets suspended and Jerry goes nuclear attempting to replace the Commish.

Man these guys suck.
 

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I am in Dallas' corner on the Elliott matter for reasons explained in that thread.

But this just confirms NFL owners are like spoiled 11 year old brats. DFG -- Jerry tells Kraft to suck it up for the greater good and that he Jerry has been nicked too. Elliot gets suspended and Jerry goes nuclear attempting to replace the Commish.

Man these guys suck.
Again Jerry just repeated what Kraft told him when the cowboys got hit with penalties for violating the cap in a non cap year.
If people want to call Jones a hypocrite then they should also be calling Kraft one.
 

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Again Jerry just repeated what Kraft told him when the cowboys got hit with penalties for violating the cap in a non cap year.
If people want to call Jones a hypocrite then they should also be calling Kraft one.
More than enough hypocrisy in the NFL ownership ranks to go around, I think.
 

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Again Jerry just repeated what Kraft told him when the cowboys got hit with penalties for violating the cap in a non cap year.
If people want to call Jones a hypocrite then they should also be calling Kraft one.
The problem with that argument is the penalty wasn't, strictly speaking, for the impact on the uncapped year---it was because the benefit extended to capped years after it and teams were specifically told not to structure deals in that way. If they were penalized for one-year deals that only impacted the capped year you'd have a point---but that's not the case.

I get MSM has said 'penalized for cap in an uncapped year' but even the crappy NFL was able to understand that what Cowboys and Skins did was impact the capped years subsequent to that, for which they were rightly (and pretty much inarguably, if one actually reads the relevant documents) penalized.

There's little comparison between that and Deflategate.
 

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Again Jerry just repeated what Kraft told him when the cowboys got hit with penalties for violating the cap in a non cap year.
If people want to call Jones a hypocrite then they should also be calling Kraft one.
Do you have a source on what Kraft said? I just spent 10 minutes Googling and couldn't find any public statements on the the cap penalties.

The problem with that argument is the penalty wasn't, strictly speaking, for the impact on the uncapped year---it was because the benefit extended to capped years after it and teams were specifically told not to structure deals in that way. If they were penalized for one-year deals that only impacted the capped year you'd have a point---but that's not the case.

I get MSM has said 'penalized for cap in an uncapped year' but even the crappy NFL was able to understand that what Cowboys and Skins did was impact the capped years subsequent to that, for which they were rightly (and pretty much inarguably, if one actually reads the relevant documents) penalized.

There's little comparison between that and Deflategate.
There are counter-arguments to this viewpoint, too, but I'll add that the penalties levied against Dallas and Washington were corrective, not punitive. The league judged that they circumvented the cap and reduced their cap space accordingly - there was no additional loss of draft picks or team fines or suspensions. Even the amounts of the penalty fairly matched up with the money that was moved into the uncapped year.
 

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More than enough hypocrisy in the NFL ownership ranks to go around, I think.
Agreed.

I'm not going to argue the cap thing that's been done as I don't think deflategate is similar in that regard.
My point is Kraft told Jerry to be a team player. Jerry threw it back at him. I have no problem with that.

Now Kraft did drop it and had publicly backed Goodell before and after so I guess in that regards maybe I am incorrect in calling him a hypocrite.
Still while nor a can of Jones or the cowboys I have no problem with him throwing a wrench into the extension talks even if he knew it was futile or just for PR
 

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Of course telling owners "not to structure deals that way" was shady as fuck to begin with.
Absolutely.

As for Kraft, true enough I guess. But he didn't try to whack Goodell. He stood down.
 

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Before this topic dissipates with Goodell's presumed extension, and to follow up on the comments by @Marciano490 and @Nator , I did want to bring up one additional point. I just came across this passage from a Conference Board study of French companies being forced by quota to add women to their corporate boards. Here is what board members and other stakeholders concluded:

In general, interview participants reported that adding women to corporate boards:
  • affected the process of board decision-making (the procedures the group followed) because the newcomers were women.

  • were more likely to care about stakeholders.

  • improved the quality of participation by asking questions and introducing

    new points for discussion.

  • reduced confrontationalism.

  • improved attention to a more accurate measurement of risk faced by organizations.

  • broke down the cronyism and group think.
  • affected the substantive outcomes of corporate decision-making...
Why, might you ask, does adding women in the corporate boardroom have this effect? The report goes into that the French executives themselves believed this happened not because they were women, per se, but because they brought to the table outside perspectives. They were more likely to be foreign, more likely to be non-CEOs and less likely to have attended an elite school (the report basically found that the vast majority of executives in France went to the same cadre of elite boarding, universities and graduate schools that resulted in this interlocking network of professional networks that had the--perhaps unintentional--effect of excluding most women).

You can read the rest of it here (you have to sign in to read it, I believe).

I think there's a number of great parallels here. There is a lot of evidence (not just this report) that having women on boards (which the NFL owners effectively are) has profound impact on decision making and culture. I actually don't think someone like Rice, even with her checkered history, would make exactly the same decisions as Roger -- but even if she were to have roughly the same priorities as he does, I think simply having her in the room would change the conversation that's happening now. And unquestionably for the better.
 

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I've never understood why the NFL Commissioner makes so much money. If it was in the range of $10 million or something I could see it but $44 million (and, who knows, maybe more in this new extension) seems ridiculously exorbitant as I assume there are plenty of competent candidates who would gladly take the job for a quarter of that amount if not less. My only explanation is that this is yet another dick-swinging move by the owners ("our league is so awesome and rich our commissioner has to be paid better than 99% of CEOs in the country").
 

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yeah, great post VE. I might have phrased the original post differently, but I now see what you're saying. In a similar pattern, many Japanese companies are trying to put foreign executives in senior operating roles or on the boards, seeking similar gains, and are having very similar cultural challenges in getting those perspectives to diversify.
 

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I've never understood why the NFL Commissioner makes so much money. If it was in the range of $10 million or something I could see it but $44 million (and, who knows, maybe more in this new extension) seems ridiculously exorbitant as I assume there are plenty of competent candidates who would gladly take the job for a quarter of that amount if not less. My only explanation is that this is yet another dick-swinging move by the owners ("our league is so awesome and rich our commissioner has to be paid better than 99% of CEOs in the country").
To the best of my knowledge, the NFL does not have stock options and things of that ilk, so he presumably has to get paid in all cash. I don't imagine it's too far off of $14 billion revenue companies when you take into account the value of non-cash compensation once it becomes vested.
 

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To the best of my knowledge, the NFL does not have stock options and things of that ilk, so he presumably has to get paid in all cash. I don't imagine it's too far off of $14 billion revenue companies when you take into account the value of non-cash compensation once it becomes vested.
I dunno, this article appears to include stock options etc. in the calculation and, as of last year, has only two CEOs beating the $44 million mark.
 

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It's also based on an opaque estimate calculated by the AP and an executive data firm. The link below seems like a more reasonable, or at least transparent list. Most of the pay for the top guys comes from non-salary comp. We don't know enough about what the $44 million actually is since I'm assuming it's not just straight cash homey.

https://aflcio.org/paywatch/highest-paid-ceos
 

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It also appears to be highly variable. He earned that in 2014 or 2015, one of those years, whenever it was reported - but apparently a very different number in other years. What is Goodell's AAV? We don't know.
 

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Former binky and IR specialist Tavaris Cadet signing with the Jets (Forte is week-to-week with a toe injury):

@MMehtaNYDN Jets confirm Cadet signing. WR Charone Peake placed on IR
 

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That sucks, even though I'm not a Raiders fan.

Older folks will recall Larry Bird had a transverse process fracture right before the 89-90 season.
 

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Derek Carr has a back fracture and will be out at least two weeks. Doesn’t sound like a good injury to have...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20898072/derek-carr-oakland-raiders-transverse-process-fracture-back
Not a huge issue from a structural standpoint (not a supportive bone for the spine, doesn't compromise the spinal canal or involve the discs) - just have to let it heal to the point where it's not painful anymore.

But for a guy who's constantly getting hit and twisted... it's PAINFUL
 

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Not a huge issue from a structural standpoint (not a supportive bone for the spine, doesn't compromise the spinal canal or involve the discs) - just have to let it heal to the point where it's not painful anymore.

But for a guy who's constantly getting hit and twisted... it's PAINFUL
That's what the drugs are for, right doc?

Seriously, though, if he misses multiple games their season might be sunk by an injury to him for the 2nd year in a row.
 

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I've been a Cam Newton defender since I think he gets a lot of shit unnecessarily for being a "show boat" etc. and singled for it for whatever reason, but I'm out on Cam Newton as of today:


He really is a man-child isn't he?
 

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I've been a Cam Newton defender since I think he gets a lot of shit unnecessarily for being a "show boat" etc. and singled for it for whatever reason, but I'm out on Cam Newton as of today:


He really is a man-child isn't he?
meanwhile, in Hell, Victor Kiam lifted his head off the bar and raised his empty glass
 

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And looking into this apparently there was more:


sad and it's 2017 and this stuff still happens. Coming from an area that treats all reporters like shit, even this stands out. She didn't even have her question out before he just started laughing at her because she was a dumb woman.
 

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I didn't need this situation to convince me that Newton is an asshole and not the sharpest tool in the shed, but it adds to it .

Of course, the CEO of the league, who is apparently getting extended, has also been condescending to female reporters (in particular the Rachel Nichols Q and A at the Superbowl a year or two ago), so it shouldn't be surprising that the players are in some cases, too.
 

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And looking into this apparently there was more:


sad and it's 2017 and this stuff still happens. Coming from an area that treats all reporters like shit, even this stands out. She didn't even have her question out before he just started laughing at her because she was a dumb woman.
I've generally liked Newton and think a lot of the agita about him has been at least somewhat driven by angry old white guys. But this is def. bullshit. Also, good on Rodrigue:

 

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I didn't need this situation to convince me that Newton is an asshole and not the sharpest tool in the shed, but it adds to it .

Of course, the CEO of the league, who is apparently getting extended, has also been condescending to female reporters (in particular the Rachel Nichols Q and A at the Superbowl a year or two ago), so it shouldn't be surprising that the players are in some cases, too.

Be careful so you don’t step in it Park Ave.

In a statement, the NFL said "the comments are just plain wrong and disrespectful to the exceptional female reporters and all journalists. They do not reflect the thinking of the league."

“Note: excluded from this statement are Rachel Nichols and our commissioner.”
 
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