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Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by RedOctober3829, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. InstaFace

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    Meaning the contract, or Peterson himself?

    That seems like fair value for his risk/reward at this point. I'd have been OK with Belichick picking him up for that money, though not with Gillislee coming aboard as well.
     
  2. BigSoxFan

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    Yeah, I kind of hope we get in on that if Gillislee is matched but doubt he's under consideration anymore.

    Nevermind, Gillislee a Pat.
     
  3. DanoooME

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    They have about $7M now. They could cut/restructure Jairus Byrd. A cut would free up $7.4M. They have a couple of guys they could restructure to get some cap room too (although probably not Drew Brees).
     
  4. dcmissle

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    This made absolutely no sense to me. Period. Full stop.

    Then, as noted in JG thread, I heard Polian expound this morning on the steep price he would extract if the Browns approached him as a GM trying to jump teams from the 12 spot. And he made it clear, based on the Wentz deal and the RGIII deal, that he would demand a fukton.

    Viewed from that perspective -- twisted though it may be (not Polian's, the Browns in their estimation of Trubisky) - it not entirely out of the question. Add a "new breed" half crazy and full of himself owner like Haslam -- anything may be possible.

    I still think it's a bluff.
     
  5. tims4wins

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    Jags picked up Bortles' 5th year option. Not an easy decision for them I would imagine.
     
  6. kelpapa

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    It's guaranteed against injury only, so they can still cut him after this year. They have about $50M in cap space, and they will roll a lot of that over. Of course, if he tears an ACL, $18M is a lot to be investing in a shitty player. It's a good risk to see if he can turn it around.
     
  7. tims4wins

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    Ah thanks for the clarification I didn't realize that part. It does make sense to pick up the option. Of course, they still shouldn't have drafted Fournette... but of course this draft had no great OL to pick from
     
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  9. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Oh please. Glennon and his agent knew the deal when they signed a contract structured like it was. He was never anything but a stopgap. If he wanted to go to the Jets or someone else for a longer stint he could have. He grabbed the cash (rightfully so) and we know from Peter King's article yesterday that the Bears - while having intentions - didn't know they were going to get Trubisky until after the Browns picked and they outbid the competition for the #2 pick. Glennon has $18.5M worth of Cherrios to cry in, I think he's probably fine with that.
     
  10. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Glennon's response should have been: "I welcome the challenge of a young player as good as Mitch Trubisky. His presence can only push me to be a better player."
     
  11. RetractableRoof

    RetractableRoof Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    It's one thing to bring him in and draft someone in the third round to compete with him for the job. If they wanted Trubisky and didn't tell him that's what their goal was then I get Glennon's side.

    The Bears needed a lot of talent - it's not quite accurate to say Glennon should have known they were going to dump major assets in another QB when there were defensive studs to be had.

    The Bears fans reaction was a decent indicator that bringing in another QB wasn't an obvious play. Maybe the agent is being disingenuous here but my gut is it was the Bears.
     
  12. 67YAZ

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    That article sounds more like Glennon's agent covering his own ass.

    Glennon's dead cap money:
    2017 - $18.5m
    2018 - $4.5m
    2019 - $1m

    This is the NFL. If you want to guarantee your stay with a team, you spread your cap hit as evenly as possible. Everyone knew when Glennon signed this front-loaded deal - and Glennon had to know, too - that this was essentially a 1-year deal with 2 team option years. If he plays well this year, then he's in the driver's seat - the Bears either hold on to him for $15m or the Bears promote Trubisky, cut Glennon, and Glennon signs a lucrative deal elsewhere. The hardest part will be playing well with that offense.
     
  13. Sportsbstn

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    I think the point that Trubisky was stunned as he had almost no contact with the Bears before the draft, screams that something big changed that day. Hell, the coach didn't even have a clue what was happening till an hour before it.
     
  14. RetractableRoof

    RetractableRoof Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Read the Peter King embedded draft article and you'll see differently.
     
  15. RetractableRoof

    RetractableRoof Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    No one is saying he was promised the keys to the kingdom. All anyone is saying is that it appears the Bears weren't upfront about their intentions and that it was weak to ask him to attend the draft party as the face of the team and then trade a bucket load of resources to draft the real face of the team. Just weak.
     
  16. BigJimEd

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    What did Sportsbstn ever do to you? Advising someone to read Peter King is just cruel.
     
  17. RetractableRoof

    RetractableRoof Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Point taken... lol
     
  18. tims4wins

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    Jamal Charles to Denver
     
  19. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    Denver has signed Jamaal Charles per Schefter.
     
  20. dbn

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    I'm confused. Does anyone think that it would have been in the Bears interest to tell Glennon, during contract negotiations, that they might draft a QB with their top pick?
     
  21. mwonow

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    For $18M+, would he have cared?
     
  22. SydneySox

    SydneySox A dash of cool to add the heat Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    It depends on whether he'd have gotten something like the $18m+ from somebody else.
     
  23. mwonow

    mwonow Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    True. Of course, this is Mike Glennon we're talking about, so the lineup of folks carrying $18.5M guaranteed might not have been that long
     
  24. Super Nomario

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    I know $15 MM / year sounds like "starter money," but the reality is that it makes Glennon the 22nd-highest-paid QB in the league. Factor in that there are some young guys who are underpaid, and Glennon is getting paid like, I dunno, the 27th-best QB in the league. He's a fringe starter, getting paid like such, and obviously the Bears are treating him like such.
     
  25. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    or you could say he's getting paid more than the $14 million the Super Bowl Champion QB is getting paid for the upcoming season.
     
  26. tims4wins

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    Apparently Cutler tried out for an announcing role with Fox last week
     
  27. NortheasternPJ

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    What's the policy on smoking in the booth?
     
  28. BigSoxFan

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    Which is one of the few times he hasn't been picked
     
  29. BigSoxFan

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    Or not. FOX did pick him. Solid few months for them.
     
  30. DrewDawg

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    Cutler retires after 11 seasons: 17-20 in Denver, 51-51 in Chicago, and 1 career playoff game.

    He's 37th all time in yards, 35th in TDs, and 31st in passer rating.
     
  31. GammonsSpecialPerson

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    Josh McDaniels did a lot of bad things as head coach of the Broncos, but he made the right call on Cutler.

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  32. kenneycb

    kenneycb Hates Goose Island Beer; Loves Backdoor Play SoSH Member

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    He played more than one playoff game since they made it to the NFC Championship the year the Packers won. That said, he got injured in the game, so he didn't finish it.
     
  33. bakahump

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    2025 HOF inductee!

    I ked I ked.
     
  34. Stitch01

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    Did he? He ended up playing Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow and getting fired after the team went into the tank. Peyton Manning shook loose, so that was good, but they could have just as easily ended up the Jets or Buffalo or the Browns or one of the eternal quarterback needy franchises.

    Cutler is in that Joe Flacco/Matt Stafford bucket of quarterbacks where paying them sucks, but when a team replaces them they're probably going to get worse at QB. Damned if I know what you are supposed to do when they need to get paid. It was unfortunate for Cutler that he got hurt in 2011 on the one Bears team that seemed like it could go somewhere in a weak conference.
     
  35. GammonsSpecialPerson

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    Orton and Tebow are addressed indirectly by the "lots of bad things" that led off the sentence. Indefensible, and terrible but also separate from whether the right call was made on Cutler. Because if they are part of the conversation, so is Von Miller, Peyton Manning, and a Super Bowl title. Decisions have consequences, and almost all of McDaniels's decisions as head coach of the Broncos were bad.

    However, he did make the right decision on Cutler - investing in him would have been a franchise killer. The Bears are proof. Cutler was not a guy to build around and McDaniels gets credit, however small, for recognizing it.

    Cutler is significantly worse than Flacco & Stafford, both of whom have shown the ability to win and follow a team to the playoffs. Cutler proved he lacked "IT" and his teams suffered because of it.

    As for what to do - do what McDaniels did and get the best trade return you can. Again, that he subsequently made terrible decisions with those picks is not the issue. (Though they really do matter when thinking McDaniels could someday be in charge in NE...but that's a totally different discussion). The act of recognizing and exorcising Smoking Jay Cutler was the right call.
     
  36. BigSoxFan

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    And he did get 2 first round picks and a 3rd for Cutler.
     
  37. PedroKsBambino

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    I think the problem is that on the field he's in that tier, but by multiple descriptions off the field he's well below those guys in ways that matter to a team. I think McDaniels' goal was to have the QB model the behavior the franchise should follow and he was right about Cutler not being the QB who could do so. At least, there's plenty of evidence that is the case---obviously, we are all stuck with media reports, etc.
     
  38. Stitch01

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    I guess, but for all Cutler's flaws, the replacements were Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow. McDaniels got fired and might have been in real career trouble if the Pats opportunity hadnt opened up at the right time. Meanwhile the franchise went 3-13 the next year.

    So yeah, I guess he was right that Cutler wasnt a budding young superstar but since he screwed up the harder part of "repeal and replace" it didnt really matter. Im not even trying to argue getting rid of Cutler was bad, just I dont know what to do with that type of decision, every option probably sucks.
     
  39. PedroKsBambino

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    Yeah, there's no arguing that McD was successful in Denver.

    I would say that he made a tough choice and somewhat increased the chances the franchise won a Super Bowl by moving away from a guy who had the numbers but likely was never going to lead a good team (and didn't, as it turned out). The picks of course were also blown (more or less) http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/201...go-bears-jay-cutler-kyle-orton-trade-details/ complicating the assessment. And ultimately, he failed and so did the picks he got it's hard to argue the trade was brilliant.

    Agree that once you have a guy like Cutler put up good numbers you kind of don't have good options---hope he matures, trade and look for replcaement, or keep and assume same play but will be 'good enough' and cross fingers? All not great bets.
     
  40. Stitch01

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    Im not really convinced the causation is in the right direction in that sentence. Flacco, Cutler, and Stafford all look like the same sort of adequate quarterback to me. Hard for me to get super excited about "getting rid of adequate quarterback to create dumpster fire at the most important position" as a winning decision. Then again, hard to get excited about tying up the position in mediocrity so, meh.
     
  41. Tony C

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    Flacco and Stafford should not be put in the same tier of QB as Cutler. Yes, they're all strong-armed QBs and none are great. But Flacco won a Super Bowl as an underdog by throwing 3 TDs matching a record for most consecutive playoffs games with 3 TD passes. As Pats fans we've seen he's quite good in the playoffs -- yes he's quite overpaid, but that's not really his fault. Stafford is in between the two and definitely has given off whiffs of Cutler-ness, but statistically he looks improved over the last year+, and i think there's still hope for him.
     
  42. Stitch01

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    Flacco ran hot for four games and had Rahim Moore do a Rahim Moore. Cutler got tackled against the Chargers in 2011 when he had a team getting ready to make the playoffs after going to the NFCCG the year before. I chalk a lot of it up to variance.

    Career ANY/A

    Stafford: 6.10
    Cutler: 5.88
    Flacco: 5.75

    Prefer Flacco because of his playoff run sure, fine, I wouldnt argue, but these guys are all the same kind of mediocre quarterback.
     
  43. dcmissle

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    As good a home as any. Time flies dep't --

    Samardzija probably would have been a first round pick in Calvin Johnson's class. Calvin made $100 million and is retired. Samardzija is beginning a contract that will have his career earnings at $123 million by 2020. Calvin is beat up; Samardzija is not. Samardzija is accurately characterized in this article as a middle-of-the-pack major leaguer.

    Do the math. It really pisses me off when people bitch about "greedy" NFL players.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...es-its-better-to-play-baseball-than-football/
     
  44. Oil Can Dan

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    The Eagles have signed LeGarrette Blount to a one year deal.
     
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    I think this is ignoring the organizational shitshow that Chicago has been basically forever. Cutler has continually played behind a worse line than Flacco, has generally (although not always) had lesser skill position players, and has almost always had a significantly worse team defense than Flacco. Cutler would have to be a drastically better QB than Flacco to have had a similar W-L ratio (playoffs, etc). The Ravens draft well, and are well run. The Bears don't, and aren't.

    Stafford is a way better QB than Flacco.
     
  47. Tony C

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    I think that's a really good signing. I have no regrets about the Pats losing him -- love their signings in the backfield -- but he's an above average back and getting him on short money/short years is a good get for Philly. Really thought the Lions could use him.
     
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    #599 kelpapa, May 19, 2017
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