Fox to Pull Entercom Advertising

[JimD]

 
That sounds like wishful thinking more than anything.  Is EEI going to blow up their most profitable show and put ratings and earnings at risk to do the right thing by the minimally and temporarily outraged masses?  Doubtful. 

 
Getting a sponsor to pull $1.2 million in advertising isn't putting earnings at risk?
 
Entercom management is going to put a spotlight on WEEI, if it wasn't there already.  I find it hard to believe that they will find D&C's act acceptable, no matter what the ratings. 

 

[AlNipper49]

This new reality has also created a culture of meaningless apology - including stuff like both Minihane's on-air apology and the Entercom statement.  Apologies should be heartfelt and show a real indication that the party feels some kind of shame and growth of character.  These, like so many modern apologies, are box-checking, transparent, insincere and cynical statements.   

There was that recent run of virulent racism at MSNBC and the guy that got the most crap (Baldwin) was the only honest one of the bunch. Its a weird freaking world that we live in.

 

[Dirty Sanchez Forever]

 
Getting a sponsor to pull $1.2 million in advertising isn't putting earnings at risk?
 
Entercom management is going to put a spotlight on WEEI, if it wasn't there already.  I find it hard to believe that they will find D&C's act acceptable, no matter what the ratings. 

Let's see if it actually happens first. Dunkin pulled advertising after the Metco incident. Everyone applauded their integrity. And then they came back for 10 years until Callahan made fun of the munchkin.

The last thing corporate radio has is business ethics. If they did, the plug on Callahan's virulent racism and homophobia would have been pulled a long time ago.

 

[Steve Dillard]

As evidenced by my posts on the subject, as a left wing kid raised by a feminist mother who grew up in part in the 68 to 70 Palo Alto mom, I agree that it's a messed up world where fox sports and Nesn, procurers of barbi eye candy sideline reporters gets to tell us what is anti-women's rights.

Minihane says all sorts of offensive things like stories of madturbating in a car, calls joe haggerty fat and lazy. But none of that is offensive.

What is offensive is when he calls a woman fat and lazy and complains that Erin Andrews has her job only because she is pretty and thin. As we know him attacking man for this not noted, because men can protect themselves. But attack a weak woman, and the network that hires women to look pretty rushes to protect their beautiful darlings. Did comcast fire minihand when he called haggerty fat and lazy? No. But we need to protect beautiful women who are incapable of either ignoring it or defending themselves. Thank you fox and Nesn, purveyors of Elle Duncan, Heidi Whitney, Jenny dell and 20 thousand blond anchors for defining women's rights and protecting our women from slights.

Between words and deeds, I'll always judge who advances the women's cause more by deeds than words. But, as nip points out, we live in a world where we judge by the words used and the apology.

 

[Buffalo Head]

Did your mom do a lot of drugs in the late 60s, because it seems your ability to understand things is really impaired.
 
Kirk Minihane wrote a column this spring calling for Jenny Dell to be fired because of her relationship with Middlebrooks being a conflict of interest. There were plenty of people here who disagreed with him, some pretty emphatically. But no one was calling for Minihane to be reprimanded, suspended or fired. You know why? Because he didn't call her a "bitch," a "gutless bitch" and expressed his desire for her to be dead. And then "apologize" by adding on some more sexist comments.
 
Surely you're smart enough to see the distinction here. Or maybe you're not. Acid is groovy.

 

[Dirty Sanchez Forever]

His point - that the masses are bunch of patronizing and selectively outraged hypocrites - seemed pretty spot on.

 

[Buffalo Head]

You might want to take a peek at the Minihane vs. Andrews thread for Steve's previous work on this topic.
 
Among the highlights, calling her a "gutless bitch, drop dead." is exactly the same as Felger calling someone a douche and Minihane's original apology was "sincere."

 

[Dirty Sanchez Forever]

Oh. Well that changes everything.

 

[JayMags71]

that the masses are bunch of patronizing and selectively outraged hypocrites - seemed pretty spot on.

What is "selective" about the outrage in this instance?

 

[Buffalo Head]

Oh. Well that changes everything.

All I'm saying is he's carved out a nice little position for himself, and that it's the body of his work that inspired my response. You don't have to agree with it -- maybe I'm totally off-base -- but "his point" over the past week or so isn't nearly as simplistic as your take on it.

 

[Dirty Sanchez Forever]

What is "selective" about the outrage in this instance?

No one bothered to spend time on Benz and Merloni speculating that she welcomed being a victim of a sex crime because it helped her career. For example.

 

[soxfan121]

No one bothered to spend time on Benz and Merloni speculating that she welcomed being a victim of a sex crime because it helped her career. For example.

 
Link to that audio? If that was said, it is despicable and worthy of outrage. 

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Benz and Merloni? If a tree falls in the woods...

 

[Dirty Sanchez Forever]

 
Link to that audio? If that was said, it is despicable and worthy of outrage. 

 
Ken Fang listened to it so that we don't have to:
 
http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2014/07/friday-notes-is-minihane-too-good-for-his-comments

 

[Reverend]

 
Link to that audio? If that was said, it is despicable and worthy of outrage. 

 
As I recall, many of us at least were busy castigating our own indigenous posters who were making that claim.

 

[Byrdbrain]

 
Ken Fang listened to it so that we don't have to:
 
http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2014/07/friday-notes-is-minihane-too-good-for-his-comments

The most surprising part about that exchange is that Fauria wasn't involved, he must have been out that day.

 

[JayMags71]

Good catch. Did each of them get turned down by her for a date to the prom or something. The fact that she seems to be such a lightning rod for them is almost as mystifying as it is disgraceful.

And, yeah; that exchange deserves much more public scorn than it's receiving.

 

[soxfan121]

 
Ken Fang listened to it so that we don't have to:
 
http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2014/07/friday-notes-is-minihane-too-good-for-his-comments

 
Thanks. Hadn't heard it but the transcript is chock full of awful. I suppose we could organize a boycott of the MFB show...but who would be able to tell?
 
The idea that Andrews "benefitted" in any way from having her privacy violated is so stupid and disgusting. Any respect I had for Merloni is gone. Benz is a non-entity and a waste of oxygen. 
 
 

 
As I recall, some of us at least were busy castigating our own indigenous posters who were making that claim.

 
Either I missed it or my brain is mushy. I do recall the thread when the tape came out - this place has improved immensely since.

 

[riboflav]

I mentioned their comments about Andrews being stalked in the MFB thread but that's a lonely place - I don't think anyone saw it. Bruce Allen also had something on it shortly after the show aired.

 

[richgedman'sghost]

 
Link to that audio? If that was said, it is despicable and worthy of outrage. 

Overall, I think the Merloni/Benz comments were worse than what Minihane said but that is not saying much. I think the fact that they were virtually ignored on here has less to do with "selective outrage" and morso  with the popularity or lack thereof of the show. D + C probably have twice as many detractors as M/B have listeners, and many posters go into the D + C thread  hoping to read that the show is canceled for good.  Merloni/Benz does not attact that level of ethuasiasm for good or bad (and will not for the forseeable future.)

 

[luckiestman]

 
 
Thanks. Hadn't heard it but the transcript is chock full of awful. I suppose we could organize a boycott of the MFB show...but who would be able to tell?
 
The idea that Andrews "benefitted" in any way from having her privacy violated is so stupid and disgusting. Any respect I had for Merloni is gone. Benz is a non-entity and a waste of oxygen. 
 
 

 
 
Paris Hilton benefited from "one night in Paris" so I don't think saying the publicity Andrews received from the peephole camera benefited her career is that far fetched. I'm not saying the professional benefit was worth whatever personal cost she felt. 
 
Fox boycotting anyone due to misogyny is rich but it couldn't happen to a better company, so win win for anyone that loves irony

 

[Reverend]

Paris Hilton benefited from "one night in Paris" so I don't think saying the publicity Andrews received from the peephole camera benefited her career is that far fetched. I'm not saying the professional benefit was worth whatever personal cost she felt. 
 
Fox boycotting anyone due to misogyny is rich but it couldn't happen to a better company, so win win for anyone that loves irony

There's the part about Andrews already having a career independent of the tape . . .

 

[Darnell's Son]

There's the part about Andrews already having a career independent of the tape . . .

And the involuntary nature of Andrews' tape...

 

[soxfan121]

 
 
Paris Hilton benefited from "one night in Paris" so I don't think saying the publicity Andrews received from the peephole camera benefited her career is that far fetched. I'm not saying the professional benefit was worth whatever personal cost she felt. 

 
I don't think comparing a fabulously wealthy heiress desperate for publicity to a woman who worked for a career in sports journalism is fair or relevant. Paris Hilton consented to being on camera; Erin Andrews did not. 
 
Please explain what you mean by "professional benefit". You really think it is a "benefit" for your boss, your bosses' boss and just about every other male in America and quite a few around the world to have seen you naked? 

 

[Reverend]

And the involuntary nature of Andrews' tape...

Ha! Nice...

But people speculated she staged it to further her career.

No shit.

 

[edoug]

Ha! Nice...

But people speculated she staged it to further her career.

No shit.

But, but she brought luggage. So you you know she was going to change her clothes.Any pervert could stand out there for hours waiting for enter the room. She was definitely asking for it.

 

[luckiestman]

 
I don't think comparing a fabulously wealthy heiress desperate for publicity to a woman who worked for a career in sports journalism is fair or relevant. Paris Hilton consented to being on camera; Erin Andrews did not. 
 
Please explain what you mean by "professional benefit". You really think it is a "benefit" for your boss, your bosses' boss and just about every other male in America and quite a few around the world to have seen you naked? 

She is in the business of being famous and she got a lot more famous from that event. I thought Paris did not consent to the release of that tape. Then you have Kardashian who apparently did plan the leak of a sex tape but pretended she didnt. 
 
I don;t think Andrew's staged anything but thinking the tape furthered her career doesnt seem outlandish to me. 

 

[luckiestman]

There's the part about Andrews already having a career independent of the tape . . .

If you used the release of the tape as the event and ran an event study on tv face time, do you think Andrews minutes went up or down after the event.
 
I don;t know the answer. but saying "benefited her career" sort of presupposes she had a career. Paris had a "career" too, but she got way more famous from the tape and got a lot more tv time. 

 

[Darnell's Son]

That video went viral when she was 31 years old. How many 31 year olds that are successful get less screen time after the age of 31 as opposed to before? Comparing her stalking video to the porn videos the two rich girls put out is insulting. Yes Erin Andrews has her looks to thank for a lot of her success, but I fail to see how that makes it comparable to releasing a porno.

 

[Reverend]

If you used the release of the tape as the event and ran an event study on tv face time, do you think Andrews minutes went up or down after the event.
 
I don;t know the answer. but saying "benefited her career" sort of presupposes she had a career. Paris had a "career" too, but she got way more famous from the tape and got a lot more tv time. 

Minutes associated purely with the tape, though, could hurt her--there is research on this. For example, the dressing "slutty" at work is negatively correlated with earnings in many studies. People often have negative attitudes towards people associated with things they don't like to think about.

A tape like that is used these dad to put you on the map, not move you forward. Andrews was already well established on the map--almost all the people talking about the tape were people who already knew who she was.

 

[PBDWake]

She is in the business of being famous and she got a lot more famous from that event. I thought Paris did not consent to the release of that tape. Then you have Kardashian who apparently did plan the leak of a sex tape but pretended she didnt. 
 
I don;t think Andrew's staged anything but thinking the tape furthered her career doesnt seem outlandish to me. 

Do you want to give me an example of exactly how it did? Because for almost two years from when it was released, the only gig she picked up was covering the Spelling Bee. It wasn't until 2010 that she landed on Dancing With The Stars, who, in their 10th season, had such other success stories as Jake Pavelka and Kate Gosselin, people who are less famous than Andrews pre-tape. 

 

[tomdeplonty]

If you want to criticize her job performance, criticize it. There's plenty of ammo. She isn't a good interviewer, and her knowledge of the subject she reports on leaves a lot to be desired.
 
The only reason you bring up the video and imply that her career is due to the attendant publicity is that you're a sexist dolt who wants to talk about something salacious. The host of a show on EEI, for instance.
 
She was the victim of a crime, for Pete's sake.

 

[Buffalo Head]

Barstool Sports ran wild with the "It was staged" theory at the time. Of course, EEI does now employ Jerry Thornton.

 

[luckiestman]

That video went viral when she was 31 years old. How many 31 year olds that are successful get less screen time after the age of 31 as opposed to before? Comparing her stalking video to the porn videos the two rich girls put out is insulting. Yes Erin Andrews has her looks to thank for a lot of her success, but I fail to see how that makes it comparable to releasing a porno.

 
A: Erin Andrews had a few advantages for breaking into tv besides her looks
B: Paris still maintains that she did not leak the tape and she sued the guy that did. It is not the equivalent of what Kardashian did. 
 
from wiki:
"On July 16, 2009, one of these videos, in which Andrews appeared totally nude, was posted online and quickly went viral.[21]
 
Season ten of Dancing with the Stars premiered on March 22, 2010. "
 
Who knows when they start filming? Maybe she was scheduled to be on anyway
 
 
I just don;t get how thinking the tape benefited her career is "stupid and disgusting." 
 
It doesn't really matter, this is off topic to the thread. 

 

[tomdeplonty]

I just don;t get how thinking the tape benefited her career is "stupid and disgusting." 
 
It doesn't really matter, this is off topic to the thread. 

 
When we talk about a man who has a job, or fame, we don't think he deserves, we basically never deal in narratives about the sex video he was in, or who he slept with. It happens to women all the time.
 
Edit: clarity

 

[Tony C]

it's stupid because her career trajectory wasn't altered by it, if anything her career seemed to go into a bit of a dip. Maybe I'm wrong, it's not like I know her career so well, but that's my impression. If that's not true, show your work: how did it specifically advance it?
 
As for disgusting, I don't know that it is...but it does seem of a piece of the sort of vitriol that attractive women receive. I have more sympathy for plenty of others before worrying about Erin Andrews, but there does seem to be a certain type of guy (from Minihane to sons of Palo Alto feminists) who are super bugged by a hot chick who makes it.
 
 

If you want to criticize her job performance, criticize it. There's plenty of ammo. She isn't a good interviewer, and her knowledge of the subject she reports on leaves a lot to be desired.
 
The only reason you bring up the video and imply that her career is due to the attendant publicity is that you're a sexist dolt who wants to talk about something salacious. The host of a show on EEI, for instance.
 
She was the victim of a crime, for Pete's sake.

 
All this and, hell, I'll go all in and even defend her performance a bit, too. I have no doubt that Erin Andrews is in Pam Oliver's old position due to lookism to some degree. That said Pam Oliver was god awful at her job, topped by that pathetic weepy interview she did with Harbaugh after Seattle beat the 49ers. If Erin Andrews had done that interview, it would be exhibit A in the "how did this blonde bimbo get a job?" case. Though she's not actually my cup of tea in the looks department, she obviously fits the model of tall/blonde/attractive, etc. But she is also well spoken, interviews fine, can run a set as well as James Brown or whomever, and is as qualified as any ESPN/Fox talking head to do her job. I mean, who is better? Sure as hell is better than Tony Siragusa, just because he's fat and ugly doesn't make him more qualified.

 

[luckiestman]

 
When we talk about a man who has a job we don't think he deserves, we basically never construct a narrative about the sex video he was in, or who he slept with.

Tommy Lee's whole second act was probably due to his sex tape with pam anderson. 
 
I'm also not saying Andrew's got jobs she didnt deserve. WhoTF "deserves" to be on a corny dancing show anyway? Most of the time when we talk about why a man has a job he doesn't deserve, we talk about nepotism. Nobody ever gets that far with Andrews because she is smoking hot and it doesnt even matter that her dad is a TV guy. Andrews deserves every job she has had insofar as the job description is about the same as being a pharmaceutical sales rep. Good for her. 
 
 

 

[luckiestman]

it's stupid because her career trajectory wasn't altered by it, if anything her career seemed to go into a bit of a dip. Maybe I'm wrong, it's not like I know her career so well, but that's my impression. If that's not true, show your work: how did it specifically advance it?
 
 

 
I already wrote above: July 2009 stalking tape viral....March 2010 Dancing with the Stars (aired)
 
Where's the dip?

 

[Tony C]

where's the rise? (edit: that was my only point -- I have a vague memory of her disappearing from view a bit, but no idea really. I tend to equate DWS type of programs with a dip, i.e, sort of a desperation act for celebrities on their 3rd act...but, again, that's not really the point)
 
(leaving aside that, as you originally pointed out, maybe she was booked already -- no idea really, just know that she's absolutely the level of "star" that gets on that show all the time, before or after being the "lucky" victim of a sex crime )

 

[Reverend]

I already wrote above: July 2009 stalking tape viral....March 2010 Dancing with the Stars (aired)
 
Where's the dip?

Dancing with the Stars IS the dip you fucking moron.

 

[Tony C]

or, as Rev puts it more delicately......

 

[Reverend]

or, as Rev puts it more delicately......

That made me laugh.

 

[luckiestman]

Dancing with the Stars IS the dip you fucking moron.

That's deep bro.
 
June 2009
 
http://thearena.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/bill-simmons-talks-to-erin-andrews/
 
On Dancing With the Stars:
Simmons: “So we have to launch this campaign. I like to use my powers in a benevolent way from time to time. You need to be on Dancing With the Stars. You’ve thrown it out there, I didn’t feel like it made enough of a splash.”
Andrews: “Are you kidding? I told one person in the media and it was everywhere the next day.”
 
July 24,2010
http://www.onlygators.com/07/24/2010/gators-dazzler-espn-reporter-erin-andrews-i-really-dont-think-im-that-big-of-a-deal/
The last year has been one of ups-and-downs for former Florida Gators dazzler and ESPN reporter Erin Andrews. From having to deal with an unfathomable episode regarding her privacy to performing on ABC’s Dancing with the Stars and just recently signing a new two-year deal to remain a featured member of the ESPN broadcast team, Andrews has appeared strong, resilient and unrelenting. On the brink of the greatest undertaking of her career – hosting the first hour of College GameDay live on ESPNU and joining the cast of Good Morning America – she took time out of her schedule to speak exclusively with OGGOA about her career as a Gators dazzler, recent trials and tribulations, perspective on her own fame and love for the University of Florida.

Read more: http://www.onlygators.com/07/24/2010/gators-dazzler-espn-reporter-erin-andrews-i-really-dont-think-im-that-big-of-a-deal/#ixzz38jlPoZes 
ONLY GATORS Get Out Alive 

 

[Reverend]

That's deep bro.
 
June 2009
 
http://thearena.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/bill-simmons-talks-to-erin-andrews/
 
On Dancing With the Stars:
Simmons: So we have to launch this campaign. I like to use my powers in a benevolent way from time to time. You need to be on Dancing With the Stars. Youve thrown it out there, I didnt feel like it made enough of a splash.
Andrews: Are you kidding? I told one person in the media and it was everywhere the next day.
 
July 24,2010
http://www.onlygators.com/07/24/2010/gators-dazzler-espn-reporter-erin-andrews-i-really-dont-think-im-that-big-of-a-deal/
The last year has been one of ups-and-downs for former Florida Gators dazzler and ESPN reporter Erin Andrews. From having to deal with an unfathomable episode regarding her privacy to performing on ABCs Dancing with the Stars and just recently signing a new two-year deal to remain a featured member of the ESPN broadcast team, Andrews has appeared strong, resilient and unrelenting. On the brink of the greatest undertaking of her career hosting the first hour of College GameDay live on ESPNU and joining the cast of Good Morning America  she took time out of her schedule to speak exclusively with OGGOA about her career as a Gators dazzler, recent trials and tribulations, perspective on her own fame and love for the University of Florida.

Read more: http://www.onlygators.com/07/24/2010/gators-dazzler-espn-reporter-erin-andrews-i-really-dont-think-im-that-big-of-a-deal/#ixzz38jlPoZes 
ONLY GATORS Get Out Alive 

I read this conclude that you are intimating that you have some sort of point, is that correct?

Make it and we will let other judge; I am going to sleep.

 

[BoredViewer]

You guys are nuts.
 
The Andrews tape absolutely helped raise her profile... and you know who else thinks it was more than a bit helpful to Andrews... none other than paragon and protector of female-kind... Michelle Beadle.

 

[JayMags71]

Link?

 

[Darnell's Son]

You guys are nuts.
 
The Andrews tape absolutely helped raise her profile... and you know who else thinks it was more than a bit helpful to Andrews... none other than paragon and protector of female-kind... Michelle Beadle.

Prove it. You're being an asshole. She was a victim of a crime. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you. Go talk to a female or PM one of our female members and have them explain this to you. You have shown you are absolutely clueless on this subject. Educating yourself might help.

 

[mabrowndog]

Actually, he's kinda sorta right about the Michelle Beadle thing. However, she only suggests it through innuendo rather than making explicit statements to that effect.
 
Even if she had made such statements, that wouldn't justify BoredViewer's conveyance of this attitude as acceptable fact, or even as a plausible theory. It's Beadle's opinion, but it's also clearly biased and embittered in light of her long-running feud with Andrews.

 

[luckiestman]

Prove it. You're being an asshole. She was a victim of a crime. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you. Go talk to a female or PM one of our female members and have them explain this to you. You have shown you are absolutely clueless on this subject. Educating yourself might help.

 
 
This is such a strange point. Her being personally violated is horrible. That personal violation possibly helping her career doesn;t mean what happened to her is any less terrible.
 
What does "prove it" even mean? You want some kind of closed form solution to a situation with qualitative data?
 
Here is the "stupid and disturbing" quote from  Beadle (known "sexist dolt who wants to talk about something salacious"):
 
I think things might have been handled differently, but she seems to be moving on. Sometimes these things turn out better for people.
Which for Andrews, career-wise, they did. If the implication was subtle in the above quote, Beadle was more straightforward in a phone conversation about Andrews's leap from college football's sideline to Oprah's couch to the stage of Dancing with the Stars (during which time ESPN all but put Erin Andrews in bubble-wrap). "Funny how that all worked out," Beadle says.
I asked her about the potential backlash from Bristol regarding her quote — how extraordinarily sensitive the whole ordeal was and how even acknowledging that she watched the video is something ESPN won't much appreciate. "Fine," she said. "But who didn't watch that video?"

 

[Reverend]

Where the fuck are the goalposts at this point?

Are we talking about if she benefitted or not, or of she welcomed it or staged it?

Here's the thing: whether or not she benefitted doesn't reflect on her at all.

The criticisms up-thread are of those who said she welcomed it or stages it. Those criticisms are valid, IMO, even if we could prove she benefitted.

Victims of sexual assault sometimes win civil damages, but that doesn't make a person any less of an asshole for calling them a lucky ducky for it.