Fox to Pull Entercom Advertising
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Doesn't (didn't) EEI air a lot of promo ads for Fox shows like "24" and the like? This is no small thing, Entercom losing that advertising, right?
On the Portland affiliate, we get a ton of Fox News promos. If that isn't included, I hope he's saved some vitriol for Megyn Kelly.
The radio advertising market isn't exactly growing, in case you've been wondering. When advertisers pull their budget, it's pretty hard to make it up from another advertiser. It's not like WEEI (or any radio station) has been turning advertisers away because there's no room at the inn.
Fox Sports pulled ads. Unless 24 is a Manny Ramirez reality show (I don't watch it)Buffalo Head said:
The letter to Entercom says fox entertainment and sports. He also mentions specifically Film and TV ads.Lose Remerswaal said:
So basically all TV, film and sports ads are included. Fox News is probably separate.
Wow.
Update, 8:19 p.m.: WEEI has released a statement announcing they will suspend Kirk Minihane for a week:
Kirk Minihanes statements regarding Erin Andrews were offensive and deplorable. It is clear by the response from our listeners, advertisers, and employees that Kirks efforts to apologize and make this right have been insufficient and ambiguous. We want to make it unequivocally clear that his comments were unacceptable and do not reflect Entercoms values and standards. As a result, we have suspended Kirk for the upcoming week.
One week is pathetic. Summer books don't count at all towards ad revenue.offensive and deplorable bit he'll be back on august 3rd!?!
Update, 8:19 p.m.: WEEI has released a statement announcing they will suspend Kirk Minihane for a week:
Kirk Minihanes statements regarding Erin Andrews were offensive and deplorable. It is clear by the response from our listeners, advertisers, and employees that Kirks efforts to apologize and make this right have been insufficient and ambiguous. We want to make it unequivocally clear that his comments were unacceptable and do not reflect Entercoms values and standards. As a result, we have suspended Kirk for the upcoming week.
One week is pathetic. Summer books don't count at all towards ad revenue.offensive and deplorable bit he'll be back on august 3rd!?!
WEEI has a small problem. They can cover it up by dinging Minihane for a long suspension or letting him go, but the problem remains.
That's what D&C is as a show. They are kinda racist, homophobic highly misogynistic assholes, that is the whole point of the show. That a sponsor chose to take action on this one incident hurts them, but the show is one of their highest rated because that's a big chunk of the talk radio audience, Misogynistic, racist, homophobic angry at the world white guys. Their sponsors would prefer not to be associated with that likely (since they sell to a much wider audience), but WEEI isn't going to compete in AM talk radio if they dump D&C for measured smart sports talk, there isn't a market for it on drive time radio.
That's what D&C is as a show. They are kinda racist, homophobic highly misogynistic assholes, that is the whole point of the show. That a sponsor chose to take action on this one incident hurts them, but the show is one of their highest rated because that's a big chunk of the talk radio audience, Misogynistic, racist, homophobic angry at the world white guys. Their sponsors would prefer not to be associated with that likely (since they sell to a much wider audience), but WEEI isn't going to compete in AM talk radio if they dump D&C for measured smart sports talk, there isn't a market for it on drive time radio.
You nailed it. That's the sweet spot of their male demographic. EEI owned it most of this century with Ordway, Sheppard, DeOsse and Smerlas offering a tamer version of it in the afternoon while still tapping Meathead Nation. The outliers were Dale and Holley.Cellar-Door said:
I don't know when or where he got started, but I first heard of him on EEI when the B's beat the Habs in 7 games on their way to winning the Cup. He was on the air the next day and devoted all the hockey coverage to yelling at Jack Edwards for his over-the-top style. He was on SOSH for a Q&A at the time and a lot of people called him out for making Edwards the story and completely ignoring what the B's had just done. He responded kind of the same way he is now: acknowledging his critics made some good points (without saying what they were), playing the macho martyr "I can take it" card (implying the criticism was disproportionately harsh), and building himself up as the lone truth-teller standing up to a straw man army of Jack Edwards acolytes.Corsi said:
Man, I'd watch the shit out of a Manny Ramirez reality show.
As others have indicated, one week is a weird length. It won't teach him a lesson, and it won't appease the people mad at 'EEI for standing by him up to now. Maybe it's "we do something now, then don't bring him back when contracts are up." Or maybe this, like the proverbial camel, is a design-by-committee outcome.
As others have indicated, one week is a weird length. It won't teach him a lesson, and it won't appease the people mad at 'EEI for standing by him up to now. Maybe it's "we do something now, then don't bring him back when contracts are up." Or maybe this, like the proverbial camel, is a design-by-committee outcome.
I don't remember this, but it appears that was Matt Perrault(?):
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/63527-big-changes-at-weei/?p=3432612
Edit - short story, someone criticized him, he came on to respond (in a generally positive way, judging by the posts that still exist), then deleted his posts, and Bradford came in.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/63527-big-changes-at-weei/?p=3432612
Edit - short story, someone criticized him, he came on to respond (in a generally positive way, judging by the posts that still exist), then deleted his posts, and Bradford came in.
Here's Kirk's appearance:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/64746-rob-bradford-will-take-your-questions/page-2
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/64746-rob-bradford-will-take-your-questions/page-2
Entercom is also likely losing its top rated talk radio show on WRKO (Howie Carr) at the end of the summer, which will further reduce ad revenues.
Good for Fox for hitting Entercom where it hurts and spreading the pain beyond WEEI. I hope other outfits and guests follow suit.
As good as Jackie MacMullen is on Dale and Holley, I hope she stops appearing on the network until D and C are gone.
The surprising thing here is Minihane. He was great on the radio for months arguing with those morons. He would say exactly what I'd be thinking in response to their bigotry. He's always been wound. I can't help but think this is a pre planned stunt where they bit off more than they could handle.
The problem goes well beyond Minihane and his comments about Andrews. The show caters to angry white men. They've done nothing but throw red meat to their audience.
What's interesting is that they've survived all sorts of offensive comments about every one for years. What Minihane said about Andrews wasn't extraordinary for the show - it was par for the course.
But America responds when a pretty white woman is attacked. They underestimated this.
As good as Jackie MacMullen is on Dale and Holley, I hope she stops appearing on the network until D and C are gone.
The surprising thing here is Minihane. He was great on the radio for months arguing with those morons. He would say exactly what I'd be thinking in response to their bigotry. He's always been wound. I can't help but think this is a pre planned stunt where they bit off more than they could handle.
The problem goes well beyond Minihane and his comments about Andrews. The show caters to angry white men. They've done nothing but throw red meat to their audience.
What's interesting is that they've survived all sorts of offensive comments about every one for years. What Minihane said about Andrews wasn't extraordinary for the show - it was par for the course.
But America responds when a pretty white woman is attacked. They underestimated this.
Sports talk shows - TV and radio - are always looking to be edgy. It's one thing I appreciate about Francesca. Despite his condescending "know it all" attitude, he sticks to sports and doesn't engage in that edgy crap. It's sports, sports, sports.
Compelling sports radio does not need to be edgy. It needs to be *QUALITY*. And, frankly, it's not that hard to do.
Compelling sports radio does not need to be edgy. It needs to be *QUALITY*. And, frankly, it's not that hard to do.
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Thanks, Nip. Crazy couple of days between the NESN stuff, the pulled ads and now the suspension.
From what I understand, WEEI is hopeful this placates Fox but has no assurances. Expect an announcement one way or the other from Fox by Monday at the latest.
From what I understand, WEEI is hopeful this placates Fox but has no assurances. Expect an announcement one way or the other from Fox by Monday at the latest.
One factor is that this was a woman who had previously been the very public victim of a sex crime. There was fairly obviously - and I would argue appropriately - going to be an army of supporters ready to jump in and defend her against way over the top personal and sexist language like this. He is an idiot if he didn't see this coming.Trautwein's Degree said:
There aren't many in this country who can go home at the end of a work day and tell their spouse, "Hey, I was personally and completely responsible for my employer's parent firm losing a corporate-wide advertising sponsorship worth $1.2 million annually."
And most of those who actually can say that are equally capable of making such revenue back up in short order.
Kirk Minihane is not among them.
And most of those who actually can say that are equally capable of making such revenue back up in short order.
Kirk Minihane is not among them.
This thought has already been posted but it strikes me as utterly amazing that Entercom could say 'no suspension' for almost two weeks until a major advertiser pulls their $$ only to come out with the "WE WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS" response.
Jesus what a joke.
Jesus what a joke.
And to take it the step further, how pathetic to say, "see, we suspended him! Please take us back!" I'd be even more annoyed if I were Fox.
We are in an era, I think, of creeping political correctness, fueled by social media that enable people to pop off without giving any thought to what they are saying.
PC brings both good and bad. With regard to this station in this time slot, I think it brings unalloyed good.
These two -- or three -- clowns will no longer be able to give full throated voice to their mean spirited crap. I don't think you can survive it anymore (I tend to think the infamous monkeys comment of years ago would get D And C fired today because every sponsor would pull out, as they did with Imus.). And that is good because it is mean spirited and hurtful.
So the question then is, can they survive in muted form?
PC brings both good and bad. With regard to this station in this time slot, I think it brings unalloyed good.
These two -- or three -- clowns will no longer be able to give full throated voice to their mean spirited crap. I don't think you can survive it anymore (I tend to think the infamous monkeys comment of years ago would get D And C fired today because every sponsor would pull out, as they did with Imus.). And that is good because it is mean spirited and hurtful.
So the question then is, can they survive in muted form?
There's no way they survive the METCO thing if it happened in 2014. They took a pretty good beating in 2003, and that might as well have been the dark ages compared to the impact of social media and places like Deadspin now.
Is there more "political correctness" or does the public have more voice on these matters due to changes in technology, I wonder?
Certainly, views on race, gender, orientation, etc. have become more progressive. But one wonders if the METCO gorilla comment would have gotten them fired back then if it had been more widely dispersed beyond the fan base and people had more opportunity and ability to respond with the appropriate level of scorn.
Certainly, views on race, gender, orientation, etc. have become more progressive. But one wonders if the METCO gorilla comment would have gotten them fired back then if it had been more widely dispersed beyond the fan base and people had more opportunity and ability to respond with the appropriate level of scorn.
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It's a good question but I think the answer is most certainly "yes". Really in the past 5 years (esp. with the rise of twitter and facebook) anyone, anywhere, can talk back. Most all of human history has been defined by being talked at. Now there is conversation. Instead of a controlled response, you get an actual response. Even as recently as 2003, the only option to talk back and have a conversation was letters to the editor or calls into talk radio. And both of those things were controlled to some extent by producers and editors.
What's profound is that in this very new world - people across are more accepting and more decent than previously thought. It's no coincidence that the rise of the conversation happens at exactly the same moment we elect a black president. Those things are intertwined.
Maybe we're more decent or maybe we're more willing to share our decency and other people are more willing to listen?
This new reality has also created a culture of meaningless apology - including stuff like both Minihane's on-air apology and the Entercom statement. Apologies should be heartfelt and show a real indication that the party feels some kind of shame and growth of character. These, like so many modern apologies, are box-checking, transparent, insincere and cynical statements.
JimD said:
That sounds like wishful thinking more than anything. Is EEI going to blow up their most profitable show and put ratings and earnings at risk to do the right thing by the minimally and temporarily outraged masses? Doubtful. Not only is it their most profitable show, but look at the rest of the talent* they have on staff. The remade mid day show? Fauria is illiterate, the new guy is no different than Mike Salk - no discernible personality and ESPN mechanics of running a talk show. Lou Merloni is good talking about baseball I suppose. Anything else, he's out of his depth and a deeply discounted Felger knockoff to boot. I still can't believe there was a bidding war over that guy. How about afternoon drive where you have Arnold and Holley treading water and keeping the chair warm? Arnold, who bathes in conventional wisdom each day, doesn't get more milquetoast. Holley hasn't found a show that he can't kill. Is anyone from the outside going to take a high leverage job on a flagging station? The one person I'd like to give it a shot is Tom Curran, but he's got a good job now.
This Minihane suspension is basically like a loser leaves town match in pro wrestling.
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