Dismiss Notice
Guest, I have a big favor to ask you. We've been working very hard to establish ourselves on social media. If you like/follow our pages it would be a HUGE help to us. SoSH on Facebook and Inside the Pylon Thanks! Nip

Flowers Springs to Detroit

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by rodderick, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,468
    Also because having the greatest QB and greatest HC in NFL history makes it so you can really be patient and look for bargains. They approach free agency very well most of the time, but those two cover up a whole lot of holes.
     
  2. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,569


    Patriots DE Trey Flowers intends to sign with Detroit, per source.
     
  3. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

    Morgan's Magic Snowplow Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,065
    Bummer if true, although not surprising.
     
  4. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,468
    All things considered, you could do a lot worse than getting Wynn and Bennett as replacements for Brown and Flowers. Intrigued to see how they choose to spend money.
     
  5. SemperFidelisSox

    SemperFidelisSox suzyn SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,640
    This sucks. The window to win Super Bowls is maybe 2-3 more years. They should be spending like a kid with his parents credit card.
     
  6. jsinger121

    jsinger121 @jsinger121 SoSH Member

    Messages:
    14,345
    Peace out Trey. Can't wait to see those numbers. Detroit hasn't learned a thing. Will be another mediocre season there.
     
  7. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    58,024
    Repainting the tail on the team plane
     
  8. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,569


    Per @AdamSchefter, Trey Flowers deal with the Lions is expected to something close to $16M-$17M per season. Massive.
     
  9. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    LOL it's like you've learned nothing
     
  10. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,468
    This kind of money sounded a whole lot crazier about half an hour ago.
     
  11. The Social Chair

    The Social Chair Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,450
    I really hope we dont rehire Patricia when he gets fired in 2021.
     
  12. jsinger121

    jsinger121 @jsinger121 SoSH Member

    Messages:
    14,345
    Or Bob Quinn for that matter. Both are dumb
     
  13. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    He'll be fired before 2019 is over
     
  14. Joe D Reid

    Joe D Reid Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,104
    This is why we've seen the Pats focus on trades for vets recently. The cap is going up so fast that every year's crop of FA's becomes the highest-paid, almost regardless of talent. So the value is in guys still under contract they signed a couple of years earlier when the cap was lower. You get those guys through trades.
     
  15. loshjott

    loshjott Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,717
    I think if BB retires in 2023 and the Pats are competitive in the division and making the playoffs semi-regularly in 2025-30, he'll consider that a huge achievement.
     
  16. BigSoxFan

    BigSoxFan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    30,273
    We’re on to compensatory picks...
     
  17. Brand Name

    Brand Name thinks there's no 'i' in denial Staff Member Dope Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,380
    Broken out from the offseason thread, as this likely gets a good amount of traction.
     
  18. Tyrone Biggums

    Tyrone Biggums nfl meets tri-annually at a secret country mansion SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,036
    Yeah I like Flowers but not 10 million a year over Bennett. Thats crazy. I expect some type of move in Foxboro this week.
     
  19. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,569
    It's just about what I expected him to sign for. Range of 5 years/$75 million. Will be interesting to see the guarantees. I think it will be around $35-$40 million.
     
  20. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    58,024
    The AFC East is wide open
     
  21. BaseballJones

    BaseballJones goalpost mover SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,430
    Well the Pats won't have to worry about facing Flowers for a few years anyway. Bummer to see him gone but again, not surprising. Bennett is a sweet replacement. Hoping now for some further development from Wise.

    Draft needs now include DL.
     
  22. jablo1312

    jablo1312 lurker

    Messages:
    490
    Not sure what his markets gonna look like but would love to take a shot at Ziggy Ansah (who presumably won't be back in Detroit) if the price is right
     
  23. kelpapa

    kelpapa Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,501
    The Darrelle Revis argument.
     
  24. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    19,799
    Buying up Jupiter.

    Like MMS, I am sad yet not surprised. This one hurts more than Brown, since he was homegrown, spent more time here, and you need subs at his position more.
     
  25. BigSoxFan

    BigSoxFan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    30,273
    As open as the running lanes against our D?
     
  26. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    19,799
    Yup, if he coaches even a down in 2020 in Det, I'll be shocked.
     
  27. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    58,024
    Wait until they come up against offenses like KC and the Rams in the postseason
     
  28. Rusty13

    Rusty13 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,947
  29. Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt

    Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt lurker

    Messages:
    2,241
    If the Patriots sign a Justin Houston or Ziggy Ansah, then draft a DE on Day 1 and/or Day 2, that'll be fine. It'll be fine no matter what. The fact that Flowers lands in the other conference, as opposed to within our own division, takes the sting out of it a bit, too.

    Edit tweaks
     
  30. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,468
    Why would they need an extra 2 players to replace Flowers considering they've traded for Bennett?
     
  31. Reggie's Racquet

    Reggie's Racquet Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,202
    Now we have lost flowers in English and in Spanish in the same year.
     
  32. BigSoxFan

    BigSoxFan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    30,273
    Foles beats us again! The value of those 2 picks has the trade equivalent of an early 3rd.
     
  33. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    58,024
    Because Flowers isn't the only d-lineman who won't be back?
     
  34. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,468
    So we're replacing DTs with Houston and another DE?
     
  35. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    33,151
    Bueno
     
  36. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    58,024
    A stronger DT could reduce the need for Flowers's replacement from having to work the middle as much as Flowers did
     
  37. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    24,748
    And later that night when his lights went outta sight
    Came the wreck of the Matty Patricia
     
  38. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,569
    Michael Bennett can go inside or outside so the Pats could add at either DT or DE and be fine. They do need to add at least 1 big body to play inside next to Guy.
     
  39. jsinger121

    jsinger121 @jsinger121 SoSH Member

    Messages:
    14,345
  40. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,468
    That's great, but the poster I originally responded to wasn't talking about signing a DT. He said they could replace Flowers with Houston/Ansah and another DE in the draft. That seemed to me like a poor use of resources considering they already brought in Bennett.
     
  41. Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt

    Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt lurker

    Messages:
    2,241
    Um...because Bennett is on the older side, Clayborn is no great shakes, and we need to get younger at the position since Bennett, while possibly still productive, is pretty old. Ditto, though less so, when it comes to a potential Houston signing.
     
  42. BaseballJones

    BaseballJones goalpost mover SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,430
    For 2019, Bennett should be pretty close to a Flowers equivalent, against both the pass and run. It's moving forward beyond that that the Flowers loss will be largely felt. But I guess worry about 2020 later.

    Draft a DL. Trade for one. Rivers and Wise improve. Dynamic secondary with the young guys all improving. Getting Bentley back at LB. The D should be pretty solid.
     
  43. Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt

    Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt lurker

    Messages:
    2,241
    I hope BB has faith in the glide path he's seen from Wise, and has some reason to hope Rivers is anything. It's an area of serious need, ALL positions on the DL.
     
  44. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,468
    I'm all for drafting a DE, just think signing another expensive player at the position is pointless. They already have Bennett, no need to replace Flowers with 3 guys. If the price is right then yes, they could cut Clayborn and go after someone else in the market.
     
  45. ifmanis5

    ifmanis5 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    32,971
    The Deion Branch Syndrome.

    Of all the players that have left that Pats for big money, how many made a Pro Bowl with another team? Maybe Adam Vinatieri? Who's got the answer?

    EDIT: Curtis Martin made the 2004 all-pro team and Vinatieri made the 2014 all-pro team and Talib made the 2016 all-pro team and Chandler Jones made the 2017 all-pro team.
     
    #45 ifmanis5, Mar 11, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2019
  46. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,003
    Welker? Talib?

    EDIT: never mind, I thought you said 'Super Bowl'. Still, those are two of the few guys who left and were more or less successful.
     
  47. BaseballJones

    BaseballJones goalpost mover SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,430
    Flowers is a good player and he should be just fine with Detroit. We'll never see him again though, not for 4 more years anyway, as Det is not making the Super Bowl, and the Pats don't play the Lions until 2022. So he may as well be playing in Timbuktu.
     
  48. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    19,799
    Fantastic!
     
  49. The Big Red Kahuna

    The Big Red Kahuna Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,298
    First year following the team? Welcome! It's a lot of fun, especially during the season. You'll enjoy it.
     
  50. Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt

    Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt lurker

    Messages:
    2,241
    If they're wicked expensive, I agree. I would rather have splurged on Flowers. But my sense is that Houston and Ziggy will not command 16-17 million dollars per year. I like the idea of getting two veterans - slightly less production for less $$$ combined - and drafting one or two (at least) young linemen to develop as eventual top tier replacements.
     

Share This Page