Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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You know, I have to say that despite all the criticisms I have of the show, I do think They're doing a good job, and they are a fascinating contrast to the Ordway show. There is no doubt in my mind that they harp on things that are fairly frivolous FAR too often--I really never need to hear Mazz talk about Teixeira ever again, nor Felger about Moss, there is literally nothing new under the sun there--but the format and flow are very congenial.

Maybe I'm in the minority, as someone who enjoys both stations. I never listen to the morning slots, but the only person I really find tedious beyond repair is Dale Arnold. Holley plus Felger would really be fascinating radio.
 

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Until I read this page I didn't know that you couldn't trade draft picks in baseball and I follow baseball closer than I do any other sport. I just don't follow the draft or the minor leagues really, so I would bet that you could ask 100 baseball fans (not just sports fans or people on the street) and maybe 5 or 10 of them know you can't trade draft picks.
 

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QUOTE (kolbitr @ Dec 15 2009, 10:45 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730603
You know, I have to say that despite all the criticisms I have of the show, I do think They're doing a good job, and they are a fascinating contrast to the Ordway show. There is no doubt in my mind that they harp on things that are fairly frivolous FAR too often--I really never need to hear Mazz talk about Teixeira ever again, nor Felger about Moss, there is literally nothing new under the sun there--but the format and flow are very congenial.

Maybe I'm in the minority, as someone who enjoys both stations. I never listen to the morning slots, but the only person I really find tedious beyond repair is Dale Arnold. Holley plus Felger would really be fascinating radio.


Felger and Mazz have chemistry, and the Big Show has NONE. They bust chops but its friendly.........like you would do with a buddy. They also bring the best out in each other.....Felger will NOT let Mazz slip into his lazy, cookie cutter Boston sports opinion, haze that he got working at EEI, and Mazz keeps Felger from going over the top. They're perfect for each other.

Oh and I didn't know you couldn't trade draft picks, although looking back that I NEVER heard a pick traded should have been a clue.
 
QUOTE (Mystic Merlin @ Dec 15 2009, 06:23 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730549
I guess my problem with this show is it purely exists to take anyone and everyone to task in Boston sports, deservedly or not.

It's a smart ratings ploy, but Jesus Christ does it get old. If, for example, the Pats won the SB this year, I swear to God they would spend four hours talking about how Bill Walsh or Don Shula or whoever would take BB's lunch money, or Randy Moss taking plays off after a 7/120, 2 TD performance.

Whatever - it's just talk radio. Being negative is easy.


I'm starting to feel like you do. I loved the show initially and still like it over the Big Show (especially when they have DeOssie and Smerlas on), but this constant hate fest "Rondo sucks he can't make a free throw...Moss isn't a football player...the Patriots are cheap...the Sox blew it by not signing Bay and Alex Gonzalez..." is just getting really old fast. I like the criticism, but the whiny repitition of it over and over is starting to really annoy me. Especially when it comes out of Tony's 17 year old school girl voice.
 
QUOTE (Phenom @ Dec 15 2009, 04:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730404
There's no doubt that Ordway didn't know that.


I feel dirty defending Ordway here, but he did know it fwiw. He did a show around the trade deadline last season and harped on over and over about how it's ridiculous that teams can't trade picks. Said it would make the baseball draft much more exciting but more importantly it would help out the smaller market clubs.
 

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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Dec 15 2009, 10:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730618
I feel dirty defending Ordway here, but he did know it fwiw. He did a show around the trade deadline last season and harped on over and over about how it's ridiculous that teams can't trade picks. Said it would make the baseball draft much more exciting but more importantly it would help out the smaller market clubs.



I'm too drunk right now to get into this talk anymore than I have, I'll do it later, but I think that Glenn Ordway is very bright and knows, or wants to know, a lot about sports (Well, excepting hockey.), it's just that he's very lazy. He's never had serious competition. Now he has it, I think. I'm with Rocco. I love Felgy and Mazz. At least they're not licking BB's balls, or Moss's, or Curt's, or whoever.
 

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QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ Dec 15 2009, 11:14 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730633
I'm too drunk right now to get into this talk anymore than I have, I'll do it later, but I think that Glenn Ordway is very bright and knows, or wants to know, a lot about sports (Well, excepting hockey.), it's just that he's very lazy. He's never had serious competition. Now he has it, I think. I'm with Rocco. I love Felgy and Mazz. At least they're not licking BB's balls, or Moss's, or Curt's, or whoever.


Yeah, just to add onto that, they're "my show." I feel comfortable listening to them, because as Rocco said, they have chemistry that "The Big Show" can only dream of (because the format of the show intrinsically works against that).

Yes they have flaws and biases, but in some ways, it's kind of fun to listen to a show and know where a host stands on an issue. For example, I think many knew where one of Mike or the Mad Dog was going to go on an issue, and that's what they liked about the show. They knew the hosts.

And moments like the "platelet" thing crack me up. One thing about Felger is that he does have a self-depricating sense of humor, which is something most in sports talk radio don't. As I think I've mentioned before, I genuinely laugh a few times per show. I can't remember the last time I laughed at winning on "The Big Show."
 

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QUOTE (Phenom @ Dec 15 2009, 07:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730404
Why is it disappointing? Do you think Michael Holley knew that? I highly doubt it. Do you think Dale Arnold knew that? Again, probably not. There's no doubt that Ordway didn't know that. Really, I don't think many outside of the baseball beat writers knew that.

The point is, Felger's baseball knowledge isn't the best in the market, but it's pretty in-line with what the standard is. And in fact, I'd say in some cases it's better, as he understands and references OBP, slugging percentage, and even occasionally OPS, which is something that not many do (it's not ideal, but it's fact).

So yeah, I am sick of people bashing his baseball knowledge. You can disagree with his opinions and he certainly isn't an expert, but in all honesty, few are. And compared to his peers, he's pretty in-line and in some cases better.



The fact that he admitted not knowing something is refreshing, vs the option of making up facts to support your argument, or saying "that's not what I said" when confronted by a challenge.
 

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So they just had someone on from BP that had a little insight into the Bay situation. After they hang up, Mazz opens up about some things that he heard about Bay and his thoughts about playing in Boston, etc. It didn't seem as though he has talked about before or written anything about it. And he has done this before, where someone has opened the door and after the fact, Mazz chimes in with what he heard. My question is why wouldn't he offer this stuff up without the warm-up act? Is he just a pussy or is this just what the media does? I thought the info was interesting and it would have been nice if he had thrown that out there before.
 

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What did the BP guy and Tony say?

And Mazz does this stuff all the time. Actually, the whole Boston sports cabal does. They keep each other's secrets and when an outsider breaks a piece of news they all say, "Yeah I knew that."
 

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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Dec 15 2009, 10:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730618
I feel dirty defending Ordway here, but he did know it fwiw. He did a show around the trade deadline last season and harped on over and over about how it's ridiculous that teams can't trade picks. Said it would make the baseball draft much more exciting but more importantly it would help out the smaller market clubs.


I remember this too
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Dec 16 2009, 04:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2731531
What did the BP guy and Tony say?


Essentially that Bay had no intention of re-signing in Boston. He really enjoyed 2008, and was excited in spring training, and then the Sox offered like 2/$20M to open negotiations, and he was -- not insulted, but maybe realized he probably wasn't wanted terribly a lot by the Sox. Also some stuff about he's a private person, really wants to play in Seattle, etc. I think the BP guy was talking more about now -- Bay is over the Sox -- and Mazz chimed in with the lowball offer detail.
 

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QUOTE (Ryo Sen @ Dec 16 2009, 06:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2731707
Essentially that Bay had no intention of re-signing in Boston. He really enjoyed 2008, and was excited in spring training, and then the Sox offered like 2/$20M to open negotiations, and he was -- not insulted, but maybe realized he probably wasn't wanted terribly a lot by the Sox. Also some stuff about he's a private person, really wants to play in Seattle, etc. I think the BP guy was talking more about now -- Bay is over the Sox -- and Mazz chimed in with the lowball offer detail.


and how by the time the team was negotiating with Bay at the all-star break, Bay was souring on Boston. So if Mazz "knew" all of this stuff, where has it been for the past 2 months while talking about Bay signing with the Sox? This info isn't exactly earth shattering but it is definitely part of the conversation. Just seems like Mazz does this quite a bit.
 

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Felger, who spent 4 hours yesterday ripping Cameron, got lit up by callers today after his interview with Cameron. Felger's most hard hitting question was about the weather in Milwaukee. I really like Felger and Mazz, but if Felger is going to rip Cameron for hours on end and interview him moments later, at least ask a few questions with substance.

I do give them credit 3-4 caller called up and ripped Felger a new one and they let them go on and Felger admitted to being a pussy.
 
QUOTE (NortheasternPJ @ Dec 16 2009, 04:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2731752
Felger, who spent 4 hours yesterday ripping Cameron, got lit up by callers today after his interview with Cameron. Felger's most hard hitting question was about the weather in Milwaukee. I really like Felger and Mazz, but if Felger is going to rip Cameron for hours on end and interview him moments later, at least ask a few questions with substance.

I do give them credit 3-4 caller called up and ripped Felger a new one and they let them go on and Felger admitted to being a pussy.


That is one of the best things about Felger. He has no problem whatsoever admitting he was wrong and/or laughing at himself.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Dec 16 2009, 04:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2731531
What did the BP guy and Tony say?

And Mazz does this stuff all the time. Actually, the whole Boston sports cabal does. They keep each other's secrets and when an outsider breaks a piece of news they all say, "Yeah I knew that."


To this point, someone brought up Rocco Baldelli tonight on the Big Show and Sean McAdam hinted at and then admitted that there were lots of points last year when the Red Sox wanted Baldelli to play but he couldn't. I think most fans assumed this, but I feel like the writers cabal really formed a wall of secrecy around Baldelli during the season. There was all this hype over the offseason about his misdiagnosis as if the Red Sox had made a discovery about his health that would lead to his recovery and comeback. During the season, he was used so infrequently at times I thought someone would write a story about it or something, but it was kind of just left out there to be assumed.

After McAdam dropped the little tidbit, the group of them all fawned over what a good guy Rocco is and how nice he was to have around the clubhouse.

Baldelli's condition was actually of consequence last year since the team was relatively exposed in the event of a Drew or Ellsbury injury. Imagine if Ellsbury had gotten injured. Guys like McAdam never brought Baldelli's health up because they wanted to be nice to him, even when it was probably newsworthy.

Off-topic, I know. It's just that I had the same thought driving home tonight about the sports writers and their relationships with each other and the teams.

I've enjoyed Felger and Mazz, but boy was Felger off today in his bashing of Mike Cameron. He mentioned multiple times that he thinks Cameron is a "bad baseball player" and that he would say it to his face if given the chance. Just seemed way out there on that one.
 

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QUOTE (Puffy @ Dec 16 2009, 10:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2731961
To this point, someone brought up Rocco Baldelli tonight on the Big Show and Sean McAdam hinted at and then admitted that there were lots of points last year when the Red Sox wanted Baldelli to play but he couldn't. I think most fans assumed this, but I feel like the writers cabal really formed a wall of secrecy around Baldelli during the season. There was all this hype over the offseason about his misdiagnosis as if the Red Sox had made a discovery about his health that would lead to his recovery and comeback. During the season, he was used so infrequently at times I thought someone would write a story about it or something, but it was kind of just left out there to be assumed.

After McAdam dropped the little tidbit, the group of them all fawned over what a good guy Rocco is and how nice he was to have around the clubhouse.

Baldelli's condition was actually of consequence last year since the team was relatively exposed in the event of a Drew or Ellsbury injury. Imagine if Ellsbury had gotten injured. Guys like McAdam never brought Baldelli's health up because they wanted to be nice to him, even when it was probably newsworthy.

Off-topic, I know. It's just that I had the same thought driving home tonight about the sports writers and their relationships with each other and the teams.

I've enjoyed Felger and Mazz, but boy was Felger off today in his bashing of Mike Cameron. He mentioned multiple times that he thinks Cameron is a "bad baseball player" and that he would say it to his face if given the chance. Just seemed way out there on that one.


Felger knows football well but he absolutely does not know baseball. Mazz knows baseball but it seams that he intentionally has "opinions" just to be a contrarian. I like the two of them together better than I do as individuals, they complement each other well. Felger has grown on me alot. Regardless they are far more enjoyable to listen to than the Big O. The callers are of a much higher quality too. It seems that WEEI caters to the LCD crowd. Business wise this makes sense because that's where the masses (numbers) are. However there is a solid niche out there for a little more intelligent conversation and it appears that 98.5 is filling that niche.
 

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QUOTE (scottyno @ Dec 15 2009, 07:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730423
Its not common knowledge that you cant trade draft picks? I would have thought it was but maybe not. You would think these guys would have figured it out since they've been covering sports for years and have heard hundreds of baseball trades and not a single one involving a draft pick


This is what annoys me the most, these guys are paid good money to do what we do as a hobby. Becuase it's our hobby or even passion we listen to these guys yet far more often than not they know far less about the game than they should. I'm not talking about opinions but rather basic facts. Sean McAdam is the exception but he should be the rule. Sports writers and talk show host by and large are basically an epic fail.

I was listening to 98.5 about a week back and Shaughnessy' show came on. His answer to half the callers questions was, "I don't know'. Now it's refreshing for someone to admit that but the frequency to some basic questions that most people on this board would know was alarming disgraceful even.
 

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Guys and girls, Chris Gasper is on the show now, as he is every Friday for a few hours. Great sports talk radio. Ten thousand kazillion bagillion billion million times better than 'EEI. I don't care how much some ye hate Felger or Mazz. This show is all over the Ordway show, whom I believe is not in attendance today. Again. I could be wrong for I only listened for about 30 seconds.
 
QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ Dec 18 2009, 02:40 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2734385
Guys and girls, Chris Gasper is on the show now, as he is every Friday for a few hours. Great sports talk radio. Ten thousand kazillion bagillion billion million times better than 'EEI. I don't care how much some ye hate Felger or Mazz. This show is all over the Ordway show, whom I believe is not in attendance today. Again. I could be wrong for I only listened for about 30 seconds.



Absolutely correct EXCEPT when Gasper starts to talk baseball (which is rare, but he will jump in the conversation after a Sox call). He went off two weeks ago about how bad the Scutaro signing was. Then he'll talk about how JD Drew doesn't play enough games and "if he got a five year deal, Bay should get AT LEAST five years if not more..." But other than that, you're dead on - it's great football talk. He knows the Pats organizational so well and isn't afraid to call them out of some stuff - yet at the same time, he never rips the Pats just to be a contrarian or because of a grudge against Belichick (see Borges). It is great radio. Insightful and entertaining.
 

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This stuff about the station execs forcing them to play Christmas music is hilarious. And I agree that Gasper as the third man in the booth mixes things up in a good way. I hope that this is something that continues, if not with Gasper, then with something else. It really changes up the final few hours on a Friday afternoon.
 

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Oh, these two gentlemenn will be very unhappy Monday. Pats clinching, Randy Moss crucial to that, etc.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Dec 27 2009, 07:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2743948
Oh, these two gentlemenn will be very unhappy Monday. Pats clinching, Randy Moss crucial to that, etc.


Felger is on vacation...it will be Mazz and Adam Jones this week.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Dec 27 2009, 07:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2743948
Oh, these two gentlemenn will be very unhappy Monday. Pats clinching, Randy Moss crucial to that, etc.


I don't think they'll be unhappy at all. I don't sense they "root" one way or another on most subjects (Favre excluded). Felger calls it like he sees it, and he's never afraid to say he was wrong. (case in point him praising the Pats for getting behind Moss after his stinker, and Moss responding with inspired effort) Its one of the many things that makes the show awesome, and in many respects similar to Mike and the Mad Dog.
 
QUOTE (Rocco Graziosa @ Dec 27 2009, 05:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2744110
I don't think they'll be unhappy at all. I don't sense they "root" one way or another on most subjects (Favre excluded). Felger calls it like he sees it, and he's never afraid to say he was wrong. (case in point him praising the Pats for getting behind Moss after his stinker, and Moss responding with inspired effort) Its one of the many things that makes the show awesome, and in many respects similar to Mike and the Mad Dog.


Yeah, I agree. I think they enjoy calling out a team/player after a loss. They enjoy the drama of a big failure or controversy (see 4th and 2) because it makes for great radio at times. But I truly don't think they "root" for it either. An exciting win and another Super Bowl run would also be cause for higher ratings.
 

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QUOTE (Rocco Graziosa @ Dec 27 2009, 08:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2744110
I don't think they'll be unhappy at all. I don't sense they "root" one way or another on most subjects (Favre excluded). Felger calls it like he sees it, and he's never afraid to say he was wrong. (case in point him praising the Pats for getting behind Moss after his stinker, and Moss responding with inspired effort) Its one of the many things that makes the show awesome, and in many respects similar to Mike and the Mad Dog.


Please. They rooted for losses against Buffalo and Jax, so the Pats would be staring down the barrel of a shotgun in Houston just to make the playoffs. And if the Pats then failed, they could then shout, "the emperor has no clothes" -- which would fit in well with Mazz' riff in the wake of the New Orleans game, "Rome is burning." Which was entirely unnecessary since no Pat fan in his right mind has viewed this as a SB season for some time.

Meanwhile, Felger, who played a little college ball, went on for days with "Moss is a turd" while professionals who have no ax to grind -- e.g., Ron Jaworski -- took the time to watch the game tapes and concluded that Moss didn't quit, that he merely had some bad games. As recent weeks have demonstrated, no Moss = no playoffs.

Little doubt, the Pats will be stopped by week 2 of the playoffs, and certainly week 3. And this will be trumpeted as a colossal failure, notwithstanding the fact that the Pats will have the company of 29 other teams that will have failed to make the SB.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Dec 27 2009, 09:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2744204
Please. They rooted for losses against Buffalo and Jax, so the Pats would be staring down the barrel of a shotgun in Houston just to make the playoffs. And if the Pats then failed, they could then shout, "the emperor has no clothes" -- which would fit in well with Mazz' riff in the wake of the New Orleans game, "Rome is burning." Which was entirely unnecessary since no Pat fan in his right mind has viewed this as a SB season for some time.

Meanwhile, Felger, who played a little college ball, went on for days with "Moss is a turd" while professionals who have no ax to grind -- e.g., Ron Jaworski -- took the time to watch the game tapes and concluded that Moss didn't quit, that he merely had some bad games. As recent weeks have demonstrated, no Moss = no playoffs.

Little doubt, the Pats will be stopped by week 2 of the playoffs, and certainly week 3. And this will be trumpeted as a colossal failure, notwithstanding the fact that the Pats will have the company of 29 other teams that will have failed to make the SB.


I remember in the first days of the show, Felger kept repeating the "mission statement," saying that he believes the media has gone soft in this town and that though the organizations have achieved great success, they should still be held to a high standard.

The mindset of the show is that championships are now the barometer in Boston, as the bar has been raised over the last decade.

You can debate the merits of that, but I believe that's what both Felger and Massarotti believe and why they say the things they say.

But anyway, this should be a dull radio week, as Felger is on vacation and Adam Jones is hosting with Mazz while the rest of the 98.5 lineup and I'm sure EEI will run the "fill-in" gauntlet.
 

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QUOTE (Phenom @ Dec 28 2009, 08:08 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2744577
I remember in the first days of the show, Felger kept repeating the "mission statement," saying that he believes the media has gone soft in this town and that though the organizations have achieved great success, they should still be held to a high standard.

The mindset of the show is that championships are now the barometer in Boston, as the bar has been raised over the last decade.

You can debate the merits of that, but I believe that's what both Felger and Massarotti believe and why they say the things they say.

But anyway, this should be a dull radio week, as Felger is on vacation and Adam Jones is hosting with Mazz while the rest of the 98.5 lineup and I'm sure EEI will run the "fill-in" gauntlet.


They better avoid talking baseball.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Dec 27 2009, 09:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2744204
Please. They rooted for losses against Buffalo and Jax, so the Pats would be staring down the barrel of a shotgun in Houston just to make the playoffs. And if the Pats then failed, they could then shout, "the emperor has no clothes" -- which would fit in well with Mazz' riff in the wake of the New Orleans game, "Rome is burning." Which was entirely unnecessary since no Pat fan in his right mind has viewed this as a SB season for some time.

Meanwhile, Felger, who played a little college ball, went on for days with "Moss is a turd" while professionals who have no ax to grind -- e.g., Ron Jaworski -- took the time to watch the game tapes and concluded that Moss didn't quit, that he merely had some bad games. As recent weeks have demonstrated, no Moss = no playoffs.

Little doubt, the Pats will be stopped by week 2 of the playoffs, and certainly week 3. And this will be trumpeted as a colossal failure, notwithstanding the fact that the Pats will have the company of 29 other teams that will have failed to make the SB.

Then why are you listening? Before if you hated EEI but still wanted to listen to sports talk you had no other options, now you have a choice, listen to the Big Show or Felger and Mazz, so what's your beef?

I haven't listened to the Big Show for more than 5 minutes at a stretch and no longer get annoyed to the point where I will go into a thread about the Big Show a few minutes after a big win to bitch about what the shows co-hosts are going to be talking about.

Yes, Felger has an unhealthy dislike for Moss, but you already know that.
 

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Well how about holding these two guys to the same standard they purport to be holding the home town teams to -- a high one? But not an irrational one.

The Mazz "Rome is burning" stuff was batshit insane, at the time and obviously now in retrospect. You want genuine cause for outrage on the football field? Check on the NYG mail-in yesterday in the last game in that stadium with a playoff spot on the line. Or the perpetual shitshow in Cleveland. Or the senile loon running things in Oakland. Or what passes for professional football in Washington DC

The antitode to the Kool Aid dispensers in the afternoon on 'EEI is not "everybody sucks and everything is FUBAR", but that's the card that these two appear to be playing, which is disappointing because they seem obviously capable of more.

I listen to neither outlet know. Felger's 3 days of Moss, and Mazz' bashing of the Lackey signing and reprise of "I was right on Teixeira, goddamit!" did it for me.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Dec 28 2009, 05:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2745141
Well how about holding these two guys to the same standard they purport to be holding the home town teams to -- a high one? But not an irrational one.

The Mazz "Rome is burning" stuff was batshit insane, at the time and obviously now in retrospect. You want genuine cause for outrage on the football field? Check on the NYG mail-in yesterday in the last game in that stadium with a playoff spot on the line. Or the perpetual shitshow in Cleveland. Or the senile loon running things in Oakland. Or what passes for professional football in Washington DC

The antitode to the Kool Aid dispensers in the afternoon on 'EEI is not "everybody sucks and everything is FUBAR", but that's the card that these two appear to be playing, which is disappointing because they seem obviously capable of more.

I listen to neither outlet know. Felger's 3 days of Moss, and Mazz' bashing of the Lackey signing and reprise of "I was right on Teixeira, goddamit!" did it for me.


I think those of us who listen to the show are arguing thats NOT whats happening. Its a pretty healthy give and take with passion about whats being talked about. (they don't talk down to callers, admit when they're wrong, don't yell at each other, don't talk over each other, ect) I guess its not for everyone, but its light years better than anything else we've ever had in this town and if they continue what they're doing they could have a Mike and the Mad Dog level of quality in time.

The rest of the station is pure dogshit though (that midday show might be the worst sports entertainment vehicle I have ever witnessed) but I suppose they now have some time to build.
 

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QUOTE (Rocco Graziosa @ Dec 28 2009, 05:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2745149
The rest of the station is pure dogshit though (that midday show might be the worst sports entertainment vehicle I have ever witnessed)

I definitely disagree. I like DA quite a bit and have been a Toucher & Rich fan for some time. I'm not 100% behind Felger and Mazz, but they're certainly listenable.

Agree fully on the midday show. Awful, awful radio.
 

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Any chance they expand a la eei to western ma and outer NE, granted its early and can listen in Worc and close to Cape due to good signal...but still like drive time radio in car...and from what I've heard Felger and Mazz is a fun listen like how I felt about Mike and the Dog for years...as still put on eei unfortunatley in car at night as western ma options limited but have become a Carton and Boomer fan for the morning drive.
 

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Mazz actually said on the show the other day that the Red Sox farm system has become thin, he was refrencing the "trades in the last year" that the Sox have made which has thinned things further in their system.

Victor Martinez - trading away Justin Masterson, Hagadone

(certainly worth bringing up)

But then Mazz mentioned the farm system being further thinned by the Billy Wagner, Alex Gonzalez trades.

I just assumed we traded Chris Carter for Wagner, and we did give up Eddie Lora as well to complete the trade. I admit not knowing much of Lora. And I had to look to see who it was we gave up for Alex Gonzalez and see it was Kris Negron.
 
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Mazz actually said on the show the other day that the Red Sox farm system has become thin, he was refrencing the "trades in the last year" that the Sox have made which has thinned things further in their system.

Victor Martinez - trading away Justin Masterson, Hagadone

(certainly worth bringing up)

But then Mazz mentioned the farm system being further thinned by the Billy Wagner, Alex Gonzalez trades.

I just assumed we traded Chris Carter for Wagner, and we did give up Eddie Lora as well to complete the trade. I admit not knowing much of Lora. And I had to look to see who it was we gave up for Alex Gonzalez and see it was Kris Negron.


On the rare occasion that Mazz does bring up the minor leaguers, you can tell he has no idea what he is talking about. He frequently mispronounces names and almost always says something wrong regarding the information he gives. To be fair, Mazz will openly admit that he isn't a fan of the minors and openly jokes, "they should trade them all", meaning that he isn't a fan of teams holding onto players in the farm system if it causes a team to miss out on a trade because "so many prospects never develop, it's just a crapshoot".

I do think Mazz is a pretty bright baseball guy but I totally ignore any comments he makes regarding the farm system. Practically the only two mainstream media guys worth listening to on a local Boston level who have knowedge and insight is McAdam and Alex Speier (and I don't know how mainstream Speier even is at this point).
 

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I love it when Felger talks about the BBWAA and their idiocy in the Hall of Fame voting.

He was just screaming at Mazz for McGwire only getting 27% of the vote, and about how he and others try to "play God" and determine which players were clean and which weren't.

It's great when Felgie gets worked up like this.
 

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It's brutal. Took me two minutes to put on WEEI. They don't even want to make an attempt to learn. And where has Shaughnessy been if he says things like "no one was killing Mike Lowell for his defense last year"?
 
The first 15 minutes was some of the worst sports talk I've heard in a long long time. I'm all for busting on the front office when it's warranted or if they have a problem with philosophy that they can back up with facts, but this was just brutal. CHB shows up and the other two are giddy, laughing at "UZI or UZO or whatever it is". They are like three fat housewives who are sitting around having coffee and laughing at the hot single woman who just moved in next door because she wears white after Labor Day.

"Building a team around defense and pitching? It's because they blew it on Tex over $2M and they are afraid to sign superstars or guys long term. And anybody who buys into this is just drinking the Kool - Aid". Embarrassing.
 

Phenom

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Yeah...Shaughnessy was brutal.

Mazz is really starting to irritate me when he talks about the Red Sox. He has three talking points:

1. They could have signed Jason Bay at the ASB. They didn't like his physical, and then dropped their offer this offseason.

2. They really wanted to sign Holliday and Lackey, and when they couldn't sign Holliday, they started selling us propaganda on defense and UZR rating.

3. And of course, this all could've been avoided if they signed Teixeira.

Now, I agree with some of these general points, but he has harped on the same things for weeks. And Shaughnessy in there was horrendous.
 

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Felger's big thing seems to be that the focus on pitching and defense was plan B this offseason. That the Red Sox went after Jason Bay and Matt Holliday first, and then when those didn't pan out they switched to trying to get guys that are good defenders. This is shortsighted for three reasons. First, it ignores the fact that (and admittedly I'm taking the front office's word on this) the Red Sox weren't interested in Lackey initially because they didn't think he would want to come to the Red Sox for a reasonable price. When this turned out to be the case, they signed him, which obviously influenced their flexibility in signing the other free agents.

Second, it refuses to look at the fact that defense does in fact influence the outcome of baseball games. I know, crazy right? Looking at an extreme example, if you had a guy who hit like Babe Ruth but literally was unable to field the ball, so that every ball hit to him became an extra base hit, you wouldn't sign him (this is an overly simplistic argument that ignores the DH, but you get the idea). Some of Jason Bay's contributions to the team offensively are canceled out by his defensive shortcomings. As such, you have to pay him accordingly, looking at his overall production, which takes both factors into account. They put a number on that, and when it wasn't enough they moved on. It's not as if they were saying we have to sign Jason Bay no matter what, he is the big bat we need to be a successful team. So to say that going for offense was there plan A is a little disingenuous. Matt Holliday is a slightly different story because he isn't as bad defensively, but I never got the sense that the Red Sox were really truly in the bidding for him.

Finally, it doesn't look at the big picture. No sports radio does this, and it drives me crazy. It's always now now now, and gives absolutely no thought to the future. Between the fact that there is a lot of payroll coming off the books after next year, combined with a much better free agent class, it doesn't make sense for the Red Sox to hamstring themselves with a lot of long-term financial commitments, which is what a Jason Bay would have done to some extent. There have been arguments about whether signing Matt Holliday to a long term deal would have helped out the Red Sox both short and long term, but to not even acknowledge that these things play a role in the decision making is just lazy.

Also, every time I hear CHB mention any sort of non-traditional stat like UZR in his smarmy condescending tone of voice I want to punch him in the face. And Mazz will never get over the Red Sox not signing Teixeira
 

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Oh my God...both Shaughnessy and Mazz just admitted to not seeing the Rondo play last night.

How can your job be to cover Boston sports, and host a sports talk drivetime show, and not have seen even a highlight of the Celtics' game from last night?

That's inexcusable to me. How can you comment on something you've never seen? This is absurd. Really, Shaughnessy's presence has almost ruined this whole show for me. It's that polarizing.
 

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Yeah. As soon as Tony Mass started going on Texeira again I flipped the station and put on a CD. That stuff does get tiring.
 

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QUOTE (Mr Jums @ Jan 7 2010, 03:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2758222
Felger's big thing seems to be that the focus on pitching and defense was plan B this offseason.

That seems to be something of a prevailing opinion from people who just don't pay attention.

Epstein quote from NESN.com article 10-12-09QUOTE
What areas can the team improve upon?
"If you look back at this year's club, I think we weren't the defensive club that we wanted to be. So there's room for improvement with our overall team defense, our defensive efficiency..."
That's the day after the Sox were eliminated and Theo is publicly stating that defense was a major issue that needed addressing. The problem guys like Felger have (and a lot of the fan base) is they like to confuse public sentiment with the club's actual line of thinking. Because the media and sports radio callers say the team needs to do something, clearly that's what the team is doing. So when Theo and company actually follow through on exactly what they said they wanted to do in October, they're selling a bill of goods after striking out on something they never really wanted or tried to do in the first place.

Makes me glad I listen to less radio in the winter than I tend to do in the summer.
 

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Felger and Mazz are frustrated. They had the proverbial 4-hr Cialis woodie over the prospect that the RS would not make a major splash this off-season. They then would have raged for months about how the RS had effectively mailed in the 2010 season -- and were being disingenuous in denying it. That's a lot of material -- material that "excites the base."

John Lackey robbed them of this golden opportunity. So the harping on pitching and defense is their Plan B.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Jan 7 2010, 04:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2758393
Felger and Mazz are frustrated. They had the proverbial 4-hr Cialis woodie over the prospect that the RS would not make a major splash this off-season. They then would have raged for months about how the RS had effectively mailed in the 2010 season -- and were being disingenuous in denying it. That's a lot of material -- material that "excites the base."

John Lackey robbed them of this golden opportunity. So the harping on pitching and defense is their Plan B.


Perhaps I just tuned into them at the wrong time but they seem to be two of the worst on air personailites I can remember. There is no counterbalance between them just incessant whining.
The best part was Mazz talking about how Mike Cameron is overpaid. As if a 15.5 two year contract is going to hamstring the team.

Today Mazz was talking about how the Sox haven't developed any power in the system and compared them to MIL who has developed Braun, Fielder and Laporta. Apparently Mazz didn't realize that those 3 were top 7 draft picks and the Sox haven't drafted that high since 1993.

How someone can't be better prepared for a 4hr show in this day and age of instant everything is beyond comprehension.
 

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QUOTE (j44thor @ Jan 7 2010, 06:29 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2758550
Perhaps I just tuned into them at the wrong time but they seem to be two of the worst on air personailites I can remember. There is no counterbalance between them just incessant whining.
The best part was Mazz talking about how Mike Cameron is overpaid. As if a 15.5 two year contract is going to hamstring the team.

Today Mazz was talking about how the Sox haven't developed any power in the system and compared them to MIL who has developed Braun, Fielder and Laporta. Apparently Mazz didn't realize that those 3 were top 7 draft picks and the Sox haven't drafted that high since 1993.

How someone can't be better prepared for a 4hr show in this day and age of instant everything is beyond comprehension.


Don't forget Felger saying that they were cheap, what with their second highest payroll in the league and highest payroll ever paid by a team other than the Yankees.

You can argue that they are overpaying a lot of chaff, you can argue that they are buying the wrong grain of wheat, but you can't say they are cheap. Of course, he finished it by comparing them to the Bruins which is pretty funny because that Bruins stigma still hangs around even though they have spent to the cap almost every single year since it was implemented.