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Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

Discussion in 'Our Errors are Mistakes: The Media Forum' started by HomeBrew1901, Aug 24, 2009.

  1. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    They are trying to goat Wyc into lashing into the team and he's not taking the bait. Also tried to get him to make a definitive call on Kyrie and other personnel issues and didn't bite there either.
     
  2. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    Bill Simmons made his career saying that the NBA Draft is/was rigged.
     
  3. Mystic Merlin

    Mystic Merlin Member SoSH Member

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    Ewing!!
     
  4. NortheasternPJ

    NortheasternPJ Member SoSH Member

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    I thought made his career off of 90210, Rocky, Saved By the Bell and Karate Kid references?
     
  5. Mystic Merlin

    Mystic Merlin Member SoSH Member

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    And his conspiracy theory that Jordan served an unofficial suspension for gambling.
     
  6. Patriot_Reign

    Patriot_Reign Member SoSH Member

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    Maz's "the lottery was rigged!" take is pure king troll bullshit. If it were ever to get out that the league set up the draft by what they felt was the "best story" for the league as a whole and not random balls being drawn they would get sued to kingdom come from various team owners, among others. If you're the NY Knicks and worth a ton of money yet struggling and the NBA cooks your #1 draft pick from you...just because. You. are. pissed. Not to mention the third party firm who oversees the lottery sees their reputation destroyed.
    There's way too much to lose just because you want to do a friendly for the Pelicans.
    I mean, even Felger was like you can't be serious with this take, it's stupid. Yet Tony doubled down on it, and was rightfully called out on it without being prompted by Wyc.
     
  7. steveluck7

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    Another big problem with their theory (Jim Murray was perhaps more adamant about it being rigged) is that if you spend 2 seconds thinking about any lottery team, you could come up with some conspiracy theory for them winning the lottery.
     
  8. j-man

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    vic is a class guy i have always had a soft spot for the C'S bill Russell is one of my fav players my dad loves larry bird
     
  9. Dick Pole Upside

    Dick Pole Upside Member SoSH Member

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    I think the difference being that Mazz declared that it was fixed based on selective interpretations of events; Murray just wants it to be rigged because of all the drama.

    Mazz is a phony who tries to come across as erudite... Murray will readily admit he's just a fan and enjoys the hysteria/schadenfreude of any given sports situation.
     
  10. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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  11. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    Tom Curran is pretty awesome.
     
  12. pedro1918

    pedro1918 Member SoSH Member

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    That might be the best tweet ever. Well, recently anyway.
     
  13. Mueller's Twin Grannies

    Mueller's Twin Grannies Member SoSH Member

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    I heard the portion leading into that call and Felger didn't quite shoot it down completely. Even he said the machines themselves could be hacked and the firm would never know about it, so he dismissed the whole idea of their reputation being destroyed unless they were complicit in the rigging.

    It was basically him saying it could still be rigged but may not be some major conspiracy.
     
  14. Patriot_Reign

    Patriot_Reign Member SoSH Member

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    Obviously anything could be 'hacked'. But in this situation the context was someone from NBA corporate picking the lottery order deliberately, which would be impossible with a third party overseeing the actual lottery drawing. Unless of course the third party was also in on it. Just too much to lose from all sides to rig it.
     
  15. j-man

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    i think NO and Mem are the 2 poorest reauve teams in the nba but funny story

    i was Mem in my gm in 2k and i meesed around got Mitchell robinson from ny for chander parnos and robert williams from bos sent dillion brooks to bos got a 1st round pick from orl and won the lottery and bos got the num 2 pick and won the championship over hou

    when i was finesh i started with just a 2nd well i had 2 1st and 2 2nds at the end my lineup was pg conley sg romeo langord sf jared jackson jr pf zion c m Robinson
     
  16. NDame616

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    Mazz starting laughing at Canada having Victoria Day which is a celebration of the Queens birthday.
    "Can you imagine having that in the US? Line a Clinton Day or a Kennedy Day? Hahahahaha"

    Yea, imagine if we had a holiday in the US based on a President's birthday...
     
  17. ramfan

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    Earlier in the day, Mazz was complaining why all the positive articles on Michael Chavis. Why aren't more people talking about his PED suspension? He said the Red Sox were trying to get rid of him at the trade deadline because they know something. On the way home during the baseball show he said Chavis should shut up, he acts like he has all the answers.
     
  18. Mueller's Twin Grannies

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    He was saying this last week after the walk-off hit. Tony wants his rookies to be confident but not arrogant, to sit under the learning tree and not act like they know anything. With all due respect to the dead, this is a Cafardo-esque take. "Be good but don't acknowledge you're good. You haven't earned that yet." Just creating an issue where there isn't one. I think Mazz thinks the PED thing is going to happen again and he wants to be the one to say, "See, I told you something was up! Just shows how much this kid actually knows!" I guess when the team is starting to shake off the rust and compete, you can't keep harping on the same issues and need to talk about something else to generate calls.

    Should The Baseball Reporters get its own thread? Like "Tony Mazz Unyou'reabsolutelyrightMike'd: The Baseball Reporters?"
     
  19. Dick Pole Upside

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    Mazz had a “thing” about JD Martinez: Stanton’s much better.

    Mazz has a “thing” about Mookie: not enough of a leader, doesn’t want to be here.

    Mazz has a “thing” about Benintendi: he acts like he’s “too cool for school” despite several other media members stating AB is a good kid who’s a little on the reserved side.

    Mazz has a “thing” about Chavis: he thinks he has all the answers.

    I’m not sure he has ever spent any time around any of these guys.

    I have a “thing” about Mazz: he lazily relies on sound bites, tweets, and body language to form his opinions. He’s a colossal moron.
     
  20. Byrdbrain

    Byrdbrain Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Mazz barely deserves to be mentioned in this thread he sure as hell shouldn't have his own.
     
  21. Mueller's Twin Grannies

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    You're absolutely right, Dick!
     
  22. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    And the thing about Mazz' things is that he always couches it with an, "I don't know Mike but ..." like this is some sort of player tick that only he picked up and isn't quite sure what to do with. He's passive in every way, shape and form. At least Felger owns it.
     
  23. SemperFidelisSox

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    Brooks Koepka’s four majors don’t count because he’s never won the Masters or British Open. “The PGA championship...Ha!” - Mazz.
     
  24. j-man

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    it shouild be fegler and murray and move mazz to weekends or whenever fegler murray need a day off
     
  25. NortheasternPJ

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    Weekday Murray is even worse than Mazz. Weekend Murray is better though.
     
  26. Maximus

    Maximus Member SoSH Member

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    This. Mazz is dope with a Napolean complex. Unlistenable.
     
  27. gmogmo

    gmogmo Member SoSH Member

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    Murray is the absolute worst, a joke he's on the radio.
     
  28. Ralphwiggum

    Ralphwiggum Member SoSH Member

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    Mazz doesn't think that you can build around Steph Curry. To their credit Felger and Murray spent the few minutes I was listening yesterday staging a "hot take" intervention to get him to move off that point, but he just kept digging in. I know it is schtick but Mazz is just terrible.
     
  29. Dick Pole Upside

    Dick Pole Upside Member SoSH Member

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    He actually had the lack of self-awareness to say, "My bar is incredibly high in the NBA" compared to other leagues in terms of who you could build a team around. Felger and Murray laughed in his face.
     
  30. j-man

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    its a fair point but he is a better fighter on fegler opintons he will disagree with fegler
     
  31. HomeRunBaker

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    Love that Mazz openly admits to having "never heard of Ryan Weber before today."

    1. You host a popular Boston sports talk radio show.
    2, Your job is to follow the Red Sox. Checking the teams daily transactions is something I did in 2nd grade as others here certainly have as well.
    3. Even if you missed his callup from Pawtucket.....Weber has had 3 prior outings for Boston including 3-innings and 63-pitches vs Houston last week and a 4-inning/55-pitch outing two weeks ago vs Baltimore.
     
  32. Humphrey

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    ,,,and not just a generic sports talk show but an additional hour segment that focuses on the Red Sox.
     
  33. joe dokes

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    I never heard of Tony Massarotti until that time he got stuck trying to crawl through a roach motel.
     
  34. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    It's amazing to me that people are so proud of their ignorance. Like Tony Mazz wears his stupidity on his shirt like a gigantic neon sign every day and then expects people to take him seriously as "an expert".

    What's the deal here? If you're an expert on Boston sports, your should probably know--or at least be aware--of who Ryan Weber is. If you're not an expert, and that's okay, then play the "every man" role. You can't do both.
     
  35. bankshot1

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    As a tack-on to Mazz's ignorance.

    F&M were talking about the Bruins lay-off and whether it would impact them in the SC Finals and whether the scrimmage (last night) was a good idea. A caller called in and informed the duo that in 1946 the Sox had a lay-off waiting for the Cards and Dodgers to settle their tie for the NL pennant and played an All-Star team to beat the rust and Ted Williams was HBP (elbow) and he had a crappy series. Felger asked Mazz whether it was true (it was) and Mazz immediately said IDK-I never heard of that.

    I get it that Sox fans might have too much time of their hands etc. but how the fuck does a baseball writer with lots of years in and presumably a handle on team history and and handle on arguably the best hitter in the history of the game, not know that?
     
  36. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    I agree 100%. I mean, it's not Red Sox 101, but it's part of the Red Sox 200-level course syllabus. Mazz should have known this off the top of his and probably should have know the name of the pitcher that plunked Williams.

    Why have him on the show if he's not the baseball expert? He has limited knowledge of the Pats, B's, Celts and sports outside of Boston. He can't stand soccer, college sports, NASCAR and doesn't have much interest in golf or tennis. And he's not funny. HIs deal is that he covered the Red Sox for ~20 years, so he should be able to speak intelligently or with some degree of expertise on baseball. Shit, he's the host of the Baseball Hour (or whatever it's called) every night for the entire season.

    He really shouldn't get tripped up on not knowing who Ryan Weber is or whether Williams got hit in the elbow prior to the 1946 World Series. I get that everyone has a bad day, but Mazz is stealing money from 98.5.
     
  37. Mueller's Twin Grannies

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    Isn't one of the few knocks on Williams that he did perform so poorly in the World Series, something that actually really upset him in real life? Even I know that without having to look up dates and box scores.
     
  38. jayhoz

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    I didn't hear the exchange regarding Weber, but if it was anything like the many other times he hasn't know a player it wasn't a celebration of his ignorance. It was an opportunity to declare the player a nobody because he hadn't heard of him and to call fans stupid for paying attention to such a loser player. Two things that tough guy Mazz can't resist doing at every opportunity. In other words, to quote Mazz, "it was a total toolbag move".
     
  39. HomeRunBaker

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    I agree with every word of this except the final sentence. Despite all of Mazz’s negative the fact remains that they have done a tremendous job branding their show and crush ratings.....which aside from HR issues is all the network cares about. I look in the mirror and recognize how terribly prepared/knowledgeable he or they are each day......yet when I’m driving during that window I have them on.
     
  40. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    I don’t think that Mazz is the reason why the Felger and Mazz show is number one. Like him or not, Felger is that show’s engine and you could stick him with Fred Smerlas and have the number one show in Boston. And that’s a testament to Felger being prepared and having a strong POV.

    From what I recall Mazz was the second choice (Merloni was number one) and I think that the cohost is immaterial. People care about what Felger has to say. No one gives a shit about Massarotti because he’s a contrarian and an ignorant one at that. He’s obviously trying to push buttons and people know that.

    He sucks.
     

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