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February NHL News- Trade Season

Discussion in 'Rick Middleton's Pron 'Stache: Bruins Forum' started by cshea, Feb 1, 2019.

  1. veritas

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    Are they tanking while trying to make it look like they're not tanking?
     
  2. NYCSox

    NYCSox chris hansen of goats Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Well they were short of assholes by their standards. Weise and Thompson with Shaw coming back takes care of that.
     
  3. cshea

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    Deal is Thompson and a 5th to MTL for a 4th.
     
  4. j44thor

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    Not sure if B's specific trade discussion should be in the Bruins thread or here but since this one is more active I'll leave this here.
    Interesting reading some of the comments from Don and Bruce about trade discussion during the STH event on Sunday.
    I'll paraphrase but Don basically said they would be inclined to make a move similar to Nash last year but don't want to give up a big part of the future. Additionally Bruce pointed out 3rd line C has been a weak point this year. I hope that doesn't mean they are talking to FL about Brassard.

    Full story here:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-trade-deadline-news-and-notes-february-11/c-304715764
     
  5. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I hate to harp on it, but I would’ve loved them claiming Zack Smith off waivers from Ottawa in October. For the price of just cap space for this year and the next two, he would’ve been a great one-two punch with Kuraly on the bottom six - an affordable one too given they can add ~$14-15m in cap hit come deadline day.

    If they’re talking Stone, I’d love to see him in the deal as well
     
  6. cshea

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    Geno has a hearing today for an attempted McSorely on Michael Raffl last night. He got a match penalty. Lucky this didn’t land.

     
  7. Dummy Hoy

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    I love the homer "But Raffl punched him in the head!" call by that guy.
     
  8. TheRealness

    TheRealness Don't make him go all Lucic on your ash SoSH Member

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    Yeah, totally justifies the McSorley swing. Malkin is lucky to only get one game, but he’s more lucky he didn’t make contact with Raffl’s head. Really reckless and dangerous play.
     
  9. Salem's Lot

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    Seriously I don’t understand how anyone that’s played hockey at any level, for any length of time doesn’t understand how bad that is. Especially a professional. Other than kick a guy, that’s the worst thing you can do on a hockey rink. He’s damn lucky he didn’t connect.
     
  10. RedOctober3829

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    31 Thoughts

    1. Why Boston’s Don Sweeney could very well be telling the truth when he says David Pastrnak’s injury won’t change his deadline plans: Initially, the Bruins weren’t thrilled with the idea of another Rick Nash-style rental, because you can’t do that too often. As time passed (they currently sit 17th in goals per game), it sounds like they re-visited the idea, recognizing they need offensive help, even with a healthy Pastrnak. Maybe they go for someone with term or team control, but they are looking to add. Of course, in their first game without the talented winger, they scored six against Chicago.

     
  11. cshea

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    It pretty much has to be a rental. Unless there is something way out of left field, I can’t find many players with term that would be available and make much of a difference.

    The good news is that the rental market is flooded with stars and difference makers. Bring me Mark Stone.

    Edit: Nino would’ve been nice. Missed opportunity on a guy with term at a good cap number.
     
  12. TheRealness

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    What price would you be willing to pay for Stone? I would imagine the Sens would still be reluctant to trade in the division. I just don’t see Ottawa doing it unless they are blown away, which I am not willing to do. I might be comfortable with a 2nd or lower, plus someone like Heinen or Gryz. I just don’t see that getting it close to done.
     
  13. j44thor

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    Rumored but basically confirmed asking price for Stone and Duchenne are a 1st, top prospect or young nhler and another top asset.
    1st, Donato, Zboril or Senyshyn is prob min to start a convo and not enough IMO.
    A 1st is table stakes given Rick Nash netted that last year. I don't think you get a return call for a 2nd unless it is attached to Carlo/Mac/Debrusk
     
  14. cshea

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    1st
    Bjork or Donato
    Lauzon

    Maybe that gets you in the conversation? That is a pick and 2 top prospects with NHL experience this year.
     
  15. veritas

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    Donato will be 23 at the end of the season and hasn’t been good in ~50 NHL games. I don’t see teams placing a ton of value on him. Vaakanainen and Studnicka, have a ton more value, and teams would probably prefer Frederic and JFK to him too.

    That being said, Donato does have some elite skills, and there could be a team out there that really wants him.

    I’d be pretty upset if they traded Vaakanainen or Studnicka for a rental, which I’m pretty sure they would have to for the high end guys
     
  16. cshea

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    High end prospects typically don’t move at the deadline for rentals. I can’t think of one since the Forsberg for Erat deal, but maybe that’s just looking at it with the benefit of hindsight. This is also an unusual deadline in that there are 4-5 players available that would be the top player available in any other year. I’m not sure if that means higher prices or if it will deflate the market.

    I think the Bruins could build a competitive package for anyone on the market without including Vaakanainen or Studnicka, but it will depend on how Ottawa / CBJ view the Bruins 3-10 prospects vs. other teams.

    Also, this is me thinking out loud, but I wonder if they could recoup some of the cost of whatever they end up spending at the deadline in an offseason Krug trade.
     
  17. cshea

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    Fluto’s deadline piece is up on the Athletic.



    He hears they are “into something big” and wonders if there was some sort of promise made from above to the old core that they’d get help.

    Reluctant to move their first, but they realize they may have to.

    McAvoy and DeBrusk only two untouchables, and he hedges against including DeBrusk. He thinks they’d do Carlo for a similarly aged productive forward.

    Concludes that C is the priority over RW.
     
  18. veritas

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    There really aren't many good centers on non-playoff teams. Fluto mentions Coyle and Schenn, but St Louis and Minnesota (and all of their good centers) are both in playoff spots right now. And Jeff Carter? Hard pass.

    One name that could be intriguing that I haven't heard mentioned is Trocheck, assuming he's back close to 100% from his injury. It'd have to be a big deal, as he's on a pretty nice long term contract. But Florida is trying to free cap space to sign Bobbrovsky and Panarin and seem to be open to creative ideas. Maybe they'd be interested in a package around Carlo/Grz, a 1st and a prospect.
     
  19. cshea

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    I think we can cross the Blues off of the sellers list. They are at like 80% playoff odds now.

    Minny is a bit more of a wild card. They’ve lost 6 of 7 and also lost Koivu for the season. The West playoff race is a snails race so they’re still in it, but realistically they aren’t a serious contender. Even if they get in they probably get run over by WPG/CGY/SJS/NSH. There’s been some Staal rumblings the past few days so it appears they’re considering selling even though they occupy a playoff spot.

    Trocheck is interesting. Huberdeau’s name has surfaced of late, so maybe FLA would consider something. He’d probably cost a fortune, but has a fantastic contract.
     
  20. cshea

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    Here’s our answer on the Wild- Fenton has the green light to sell.



    Staal has a 10 team no trade, but certainly would be of interest to the Bruins. Coyle has been talked about all year (the article says Fenton has had trade talks with the Bruins this season but doesn’t specify the player. Has to be Coyle).There is also a mention of Granlund as being a trade possibility. That’s worth checking out.
     
  21. tims4wins

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  22. j44thor

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    As much as I would love Stone, you can probably net both Staal and a Silfverberg or Simmonds (assuming PHI cools down) for a fraction of the cost of just Stone. Having a solid 3rd line has served this team well in previous cup runs. Currently the 3rd line is a black hole.

    Some combination of Senyshyn, Zboril, Donato, Lauzon, and mid tier picks should be enough.
     
  23. veritas

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    Uhhhh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

     
  24. cshea

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    Another Oilers trade...Spooner to VAN for Gagner.
     
  25. PedroSpecialK

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    $900k in cap savings to take on a non-NHL player. Given how little Spooner gave them probably not the worst thing for Edmonton
     
  26. veritas

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    Ha, I forgot they needed to clear cap space just to take Sekera off IR. Explains the trades a little bit, but what a dumpster fire Chiarelli left
     
  27. FL4WL3SS

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    That would make sense, you have Gryz, so Krug is expendable.
     
  28. cshea

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    Friedman says Ottawa will take another run at Stone, but Duchene is officially on then block.

     
  29. j44thor

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    I think Duchene is going to disappoint whoever gives up a 1st plus for him.

    His shooting % this season is 21% and is career avg is 13%, due for significant regression.

    His best strength besides his skating is probably his faceoff prowess. What I can't figure out is how he is at 55% FO and 53.6% OZs% yet his Corsi/Fenwick are both below 50%.

    His line should be controlling the puck more in the OZ if he is winning those draws and he starts there more yet the #'s don't show that.

    Stone by comparison is 50% OZs% with Corsi and FW 52.5% and 53.2% respectively.

    Word on Stone negotiations is that he wants 75% of contract guaranteed to protect against lockout. Will be interesting to see if the budget conscious Sens go there.

    For the cost to acquire I'd much rather go after Staal than Duchene, whether or not Staal would accept a trade (word is his No trade list is most of the contenders) is another question.
     
  30. RedOctober3829

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    Rangers listening on a bunch of names but haven’t heard they’re listening on Namestikov and Kreider as well.

     
  31. cshea

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    We’ll interrupt the trade talk to view this goal of the year by Sasha Barkov. My word.

     

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