F**k you, Deflategate

[Gdiguy]

Here's my question about overtime...

Why not do it the same as the 3rd->4th quarter (that is, just extend the 4th quarter until someone scores)? If the game is tied, maybe you switch ends, ball stays where it was with the team that had it, and you play sudden death

Removes the coin flip, and really only slightly penalizes a last minute comeback (in that you'll lose the chance to possibly get the ball first), but at least that seems to me to be a 'fair' way to do it that removes the randomness of the coin flip without completely changing the structure of the game

 

[Van Everyman]

Once again, people are discussing changing a rule that no one thought was unfair until the Patriots won with it. Bravo.

 

[Dan Murfman]

That's not entirely true. There was talk last year after the Packers lost for the 2nd year in ot without getting the ball in either game.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/17/10781862/nfl-needs-to-change-postseason-overtime-rule-cardinals-packers

 

[snowmanny]

I'm still unconvinced that Belichick's proposal of doing (something along the lines of) a ten-minute overtime with actual football wouldn't work, at least in the playoffs. If it's tied after ten minutes I'd propose you start over with sudden death and the kickoff goes the other way. On average there's one OT playoff game every other year or so, so it's not like this would be happening all the time. And I'm not sure why we need an immediate resolution so badly, it's not as if the extra playing time ruins players: the last double OT game in the playoffs was won by the 2012 Ravens in the divisional round and they looked fine in Foxboro the next week.

Edit: Actually the last Double OT game before the Ravens-Broncos was Carolina over the Rams in the divisional round in 2003 and the Panthers beat the Eagles the next week.

 

[geoduck no quahog]

Penalty kicks.

To an opponent's head.

 

[RetractableRoof]

Penalty kicks.

To an opponent's head.

Great - we can get Andre Tippet out of retirement for this special teams role.

 

[DegenerateSoxFan]

Once again, people are discussing changing a rule that no one thought was unfair until the Patriots won with it. Bravo.

Thank you. If the Falcons could've held the Pats to a field goal starting from 75 yards out, they'd have gotten a chance on offense. They couldn't (as painfully obvious as it must have been for Falcons fans), and that was that. Can we get back to mocking all the douchebags who made this victory so revengalicious (a perfectly cromulent adjective, I hope)?

I am not a naturally vindictive person (I hope), but reports that folks at the league are incensed at the Patricia shirt thing and Kraft's remarks upon receiving the Lombardi warm my heart. Cry me a river, bitches!

I believe Brady was innocent - and IAL who has heard it all. That he and the team pulled this off despite the ludicrous penalties and other hardships underscores the failure of the haters' narrative. The Pats have the GOAT QB and coach, a tremendous organization, and a bunch of guys who were simply smarter and worked harder - and it showed right from the time the backup QBs got them into the mid-season well-positioned all the way into that OT.

The boos raining down on Goodell were sweet music to my ears. And I hope all the other owners who had happily horsefucked Kraft & Brady had miserable days. And they know that the Pats are well-situated to make another run next year. Even the shit-ton of money their businesses print (and this Super Bowl won't hurt) won't make them happy. BWAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!!!!!

 

[uk_sox_fan]

Regarding the OT rules my preference is you eliminate the kickoff and have the head coaches meet on the field for an auction. Each has to top the other as to what field position he would start at until one capitulated and says 'fine - your ball at your own 7 yard line, mf'

Then it's fair.

 

[joeflah]

Why? It's the Ideal Gas "Law" for a reason...anyone with a brain and no axe to grind already knows what those readings looked like. The "Cheatriots" crowd wouldn't care (or understand)...if they possessed the capacity, they wouldn't need any more data points than have been readily available for years.

Mommy, mommy science is under my bed, it's gonna get me! Can I sleep with you and daddy?
Phillip you're 35 years old! Go to sleep!

 

[djbayko]

Regarding the OT rules my preference is you eliminate the kickoff and have the head coaches meet on the field for an auction. Each has to top the other as to what field position he would start at until one capitulated and says 'fine - your ball at your own 7 yard line, mf'

Then it's fair.

That's a cool idea, but it will never happen. In regards to our last game, ATL was so clearly on their heels by the time OT began (4 goal line scores in a row?) that I would have taken any yardage necessary to get the ball first.

 

[SumnerH]

Once again, people are discussing changing a rule that no one thought was unfair until the Patriots won with it. Bravo.

This is a false persecution complex at its worst. People have been constantly pointing out that the rule is unfair and discussing changing it since it was implemented (and before that they were constantly discussing changing the old rule).

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/10/nfl-overtime-college-ot-rules-bengals-redskins
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=14600421
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2013/11/nfl_overtime_format_the_new_rules_are_a_complicated_mess_here_s_how_to_fix.html
https://www.change.org/p/nfl-change-the-nfl-overtime-rules-to-give-both-teams-an-equal-chance-of-winning-the-game
https://www.facebook.com/NFL-overtime-rules-suck-194580177304855/
http://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/onair/outkick-the-coverage-with-clay-travis-58002/5man-fat-guy-field-goal-contest-15235055/

 

[tims4wins]

The Falcons had the ball 4 times after they went up by 25 points and failed to score on any of those drives. Any cries for not receiving the ball a 5th time is just sour grapes. Let's not forget that after the Pats blew a 14 point lead against the Rams - a historic blown lead for a Super Bowl - they got the ball inside their own 20 with no timeouts, 81 seconds, and a first year QB behind the wheel. And they went out and won the fucking game.

 

[Hoodie Sleeves]

I have literally no idea why someone would engage in a sports debate outside their home market. Sports fans are generally idiots and the times you find someone to have an intelligent discussion with rank in the single digit percentages. Add in being a Boston fan - everyone hates us and has for awhile - and it's not worth it.

Just fucking let it go or avoid it.

I got a "Fucking cheaters" in the grocery store today.

You don't need to engage in sports debate for this constant nonsense to affect you.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

I got a "Fucking cheaters" in the grocery store today.

You don't need to engage in sports debate for this constant nonsense to affect you.

Oh, man. Are you ok?

#neverforget

 

[singaporesoxfan]

Here's my question about overtime...

Why not do it the same as the 3rd->4th quarter (that is, just extend the 4th quarter until someone scores)? If the game is tied, maybe you switch ends, ball stays where it was with the team that had it, and you play sudden death

Removes the coin flip, and really only slightly penalizes a last minute comeback (in that you'll lose the chance to possibly get the ball first), but at least that seems to me to be a 'fair' way to do it that removes the randomness of the coin flip without completely changing the structure of the game

This changes the in-game strategy and play calling way more than the coin flip I think. Recall that there were already some questions about whether Brady left too much time for the Falcons. Now imagine that instead of 57 seconds the Falcons essentially had unlimited time in a tie game. Suddenly Shanahan can call runs and passes in the middle of the field because there's no time pressure. That's probably more unfair than the coin flip.

 

[loshjott]

Yes the proposal to eliminate the game clock in a tie football game is quite radical. I think it's a horrible idea. Whoever happens to have the ball at the end of the game gets extra time? How is that fairer than current OT rules?

 

[Ed Hillel]

I got a "Fucking cheaters" in the grocery store today.

You don't need to engage in sports debate for this constant nonsense to affect you.

I got that the other day wearing my Pats gear and asked who the guy was a fan of. He said the Seahawks, so I took a bottle I was holding, placed it a few feet in front of me and said "this close, man." Put him into a state of depression pretty quick. As long as they are fans of any team but the Giants, you'll be ok.

 

[pedro1918]

A few months ago, long before the Super Bowl, I went to a hardware store to get some keys made. I was wearing my Patriots sweatshirt. The guy behind the counter was wearing a Ravens shirt. When I asked him to cut me a couple of keys he asked "Do you want me take a little air out of them?" I smiled and asked him to carve four Super Bowl trophies into them. He smirked, but he had no move to make.

I think I should go back and visit him. "Hey, this key doesn't work anymore!"

 

[BigSoxFan]

I got that the other day wearing my Pats gear and asked who the guy was a fan of. He said the Seahawks, so I took a bottle I was holding, placed it a few feet in front of me and said "this close, man." Put him into a state of depression pretty quick. As long as they are fans of any team but the Giants, you'll be ok.

My approach with Giants fans is to explain how embarrassed I am that the Patriots lost 2 SB's to Eli Manning. I then ask when their next playoff win is going to come.

My experience with Giants and Jets fans is that Giants fans are generally pretty reasonable but obviously love to twist the knife on the SBs. Don't really blame them. I'd probably do the same if the situations were reversed. Clearly, the events since Feb 2015 have hurt the effectiveness of that.

Jets fans, on the other hand, use the cheaterzzz angle 90% of time and some middle school insult the other 10%.

 

[speedracer]

This changes the in-game strategy and play calling way more than the coin flip I think. Recall that there were already some questions about whether Brady left too much time for the Falcons. Now imagine that instead of 57 seconds the Falcons essentially had unlimited time in a tie game. Suddenly Shanahan can call runs and passes in the middle of the field because there's no time pressure. That's probably more unfair than the coin flip.

It'd be unfair if they suddenly changed to a 5th quarter for that game, yes.

With the rule in place -- tying the game at the end of regulation is a lot less attractive, since you have only a 40% chance of winning instead of 50%. If you're down by 7 and score a TD, it makes going for 2 to win more attractive (league average 45%), although as somebody else pointed out, I'd expect a lot of coaches to screw that up at first. Similarly it would encourage teams that are down by 3 to try for a TD (sometimes).

Encouraging teams to win it in regulation is a huge plus in my book.

 

[DJnVa]

I got a "Fucking cheaters" in the grocery store today.

You don't need to engage in sports debate for this constant nonsense to affect you.

How did it affect you?

 

[singaporesoxfan]

It'd be unfair if they suddenly changed to a 5th quarter for that game, yes.

With the rule in place -- tying the game at the end of regulation is a lot less attractive, since you have only a 40% chance of winning instead of 50%. If you're down by 7 and score a TD, it makes going for 2 to win more attractive (league average 45%), although as somebody else pointed out, I'd expect a lot of coaches to screw that up at first. Similarly it would encourage teams that are down by 3 to try for a TD (sometimes).

Encouraging teams to win it in regulation is a huge plus in my book.

I take your point but encouraging decisions is a very different concern from fairness. In addition I definitely don't think the pluses outweigh the fundamental changes to the way the game is played that such a system would create.

Let's say the game is tied at 14 with none of the points scored in the fourth quarter. Following a punt, team A gets the ball on the 30 with 2:00 left on the clock. Under the current system, team A would have to execute the 2-minute drill if they want to get the ball into FG range to win the game. Under the proposed system, teams like team A that have the ball near the end of regulation in a tie game would never run the 2-minute drill. In fact, it's probably to their advantage to run plays that eat clock so that they score in the 5th quarter (sudden death) instead of risking letting their opponents get a shot at a Hail Mary. Losing that excitement of going against both the defense and the clock isn't worth it, in my opinion.

 

[americantrotter]

The Falcons had the ball 4 times after they went up by 25 points and failed to score on any of those drives. Any cries for not receiving the ball a 5th time is just sour grapes. Let's not forget that after the Pats blew a 14 point lead against the Rams - a historic blown lead for a Super Bowl - they got the ball inside their own 20 with no timeouts, 81 seconds, and a first year QB behind the wheel. And they went out and won the fucking game.

A fucking men.

 

[Archer1979]

First off... it's Meryl Streep. Im ok with her political rants during award ceremonies, but when she starts talking football, she needs to let go of the mike.

At any rate, the problem with comparing overtime in football to other sports is that basketball and hockey have a way of determining first possession that is skill-based (but does have some measure of luck). Going to an extra quarter, pretty much the same route as baseball with extra innings, would give the team with the second possession a HUGE advantage in knowing what they have to accomplish. In fact, baseball does have a similar issue with extra innings, its just not that big of a deal.

If the NFL wants to do it without the coin toss, pick something skill-based to determine first possession. I'm thinking each team kicking off to the other, who ever has the better run back starts off where they returned it. Touchbacks only allowed if the ball goes over the end zone. If the NFL does go insane, reads this post, and implements it, I want credit and naming rights... and cash.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

First off... it's Meryl Streep. Im ok with her political rants during award ceremonies, but when she starts talking football, she needs to let go of the mike.

At any rate, the problem with comparing overtime in football to other sports is that basketball and hockey have a way of determining first possession that is skill-based (but does have some measure of luck). Going to an extra quarter, pretty much the same route as baseball with extra innings, would give the team with the second possession a HUGE advantage in knowing what they have to accomplish. In fact, baseball does have a similar issue with extra innings, its just not that big of a deal.

If the NFL wants to do it without the coin toss, pick something skill-based to determine first possession. I'm thinking each team kicking off to the other, who ever has the better run back starts off where they returned it. Touchbacks only allowed if the ball goes over the end zone. If the NFL does go insane, reads this post, and implements it, I want credit and naming rights... and cash.

Belichick is already prepared for the NFL to institute the 'rugby scrum to get possession of ball at center of the field' option, of course!

 

[singaporesoxfan]

Belichick is already prepared for the NFL to institute the 'rugby scrum to get possession of ball at center of the field' option, of course!

You joke, but a rugby-style line-out to start OT would be awesome.

 

[Devizier]

When people said Meryl, I assumed Hoge. Not that it really matters.

In any event, Streep is responsible for one of my favorite quotes of all time, "Real life is actually a lot more like high school'

She's still cool in my book. I can't get butthurt about people's opinions on the Patriots.

 

[joe dokes]

You joke, but a rugby-style line-out to start OT would be awesome.

As would the drone-drop, as per the ProBowl skillz contest.

 

[Archer1979]

All of those would be great... until the first concussion. Then we're into the cheerleader dance-off.

 

[tims4wins]

God bless Gronk

Gronkowski told ESPN that Patriots fans are so angry about Goodell suspending Tom Brady that he believes it would be physically impossible for Goodell to get inside Gillette Stadium. Gronkowski was asked directly if Goodell can go to Foxboro, and Gronkowski said no.

“To tell you the truth, I really don’t think so,” Gronkowski said. “The fans are nuts, they’re wild, and they have the Patriots’ back no matter what. They have Tom’s back. I’m telling you, he won’t get through the highway if the fans saw him. I don’t even think he can even land in the airport in Boston because Patriot fans are the best fans, they’re the most loyal fans. I’m telling you, they might just carry out Roger themselves. They couldn’t even get to the stadium in Foxboro if he landed in Boston.”

 

[Marciano490]

God bless Gronk

Gronkowski told ESPN that Patriots fans are so angry about Goodell suspending Tom Brady that he believes it would be physically impossible for Goodell to get inside Gillette Stadium. Gronkowski was asked directly if Goodell can go to Foxboro, and Gronkowski said no.

“To tell you the truth, I really don’t think so,” Gronkowski said. “The fans are nuts, they’re wild, and they have the Patriots’ back no matter what. They have Tom’s back. I’m telling you, he won’t get through the highway if the fans saw him. I don’t even think he can even land in the airport in Boston because Patriot fans are the best fans, they’re the most loyal fans. I’m telling you, they might just carry out Roger themselves. They couldn’t even get to the stadium in Foxboro if he landed in Boston.”

Not to interject politics into this forum, but Gronk or Trump would be a fantastic game.

 

[BigSoxFan]

God bless Gronk

Gronkowski told ESPN that Patriots fans are so angry about Goodell suspending Tom Brady that he believes it would be physically impossible for Goodell to get inside Gillette Stadium. Gronkowski was asked directly if Goodell can go to Foxboro, and Gronkowski said no.

“To tell you the truth, I really don’t think so,” Gronkowski said. “The fans are nuts, they’re wild, and they have the Patriots’ back no matter what. They have Tom’s back. I’m telling you, he won’t get through the highway if the fans saw him. I don’t even think he can even land in the airport in Boston because Patriot fans are the best fans, they’re the most loyal fans. I’m telling you, they might just carry out Roger themselves. They couldn’t even get to the stadium in Foxboro if he landed in Boston.”

NFL should be leaking an ESPN story about a planned Patriots assassination attempt of Goodell any moment now.

 

[joe dokes]

NFL should be leaking an ESPN story about a planned Patriots assassination attempt of Goodell any moment now.

Krafty Bob playing the long game by signing Aaron Hernandez.

 

[tims4wins]

Krafty Bob playing the long game by signing Aaron Hernandez.

Holy shit imagine if Sweatleaf had killed Goodell

 

[DegenerateSoxFan]

Holy shit imagine if Sweatleaf had killed Goodell

I wonder if he'd tattoo a football under his eye rather than a teardrop to symbolize the killing?

 

[Bowhemian]

I wonder if he'd tattoo a football under his eye rather than a teardrop to symbolize the killing?

A fully inflated football, with the tattoo being done with a ball pump/needle.

 

[Van Everyman]

Holy shit imagine if Sweatleaf had killed Goodell

Why else would this be happening?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18742276/patriots-bill-belichick-list-potential-witnesses-aaron-hernandez-double-murder-trial

 

[RG33]

 

[Hendu for Kutch]

Given how things ended, this seems even more appropriate now than it did when it was released.

 

[NAR29996]

View attachment 14606

The fifth ring is on the wrong finger.

Otherwise, this is great!

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

My friend made a bunch of these shirts and is selling them for $25 each (Anvil brand shirts 100% cotton) including shipping. I know its not everyone's cup of tea but PM me if you are interested and I will connect you to him for your order.

An edit for disclosure: I am not in on the deal nor do I get any compensation. Just passing along to an audience I thought might be interested.

 

[BroodsSexton]

My friend made a bunch of these shirts and is selling them for $25 each (Anvil brand shirts 100% cotton) including shipping. I know its not everyone's cup of tea but PM me if you are interested and I will connect you to him for your order.

An edit for disclosure: I am not in on the deal nor do I get any compensation. Just passing along to an audience I thought might be interested.

You're not in on the deal? Man, you got gypped. You should have gotten some equity. Not quite as promising as a piece of Volkswagen in 1937, but valuable nonetheless.

 

[BuellMiller]

Given how things ended, this seems even more appropriate now than it did when it was released.

I was hoping for the extended cut where Belichick strangles Roger the Hutt, but I don't think I could handle the sight of him in a golden bikini.
Also, Rex Ryan as Salacious Crumb is great (Grigson or Irsay would have worked too). I would have just added Kensil or Vincent as Bib Fortuna, but can't complain.

 

[Carlos Cowart]

Regarding the OT rules my preference is you eliminate the kickoff and have the head coaches meet on the field for an auction. Each has to top the other as to what field position he would start at until one capitulated and says 'fine - your ball at your own 7 yard line, mf'

Then it's fair.

In SB51 I suspect the ref would have anounced something like:

"The Patriots elect to take the ball in section 216, row M."

 

[DourDoerr]

I found this pretty astonishing - and encouraging. This came from a comment section following a CBSSports story on the final 4th round pick the Pats owe from IdealGasLawGate. Wanted to see where people might be and these were the first 8 posts I read. It's an amazing turnaround from what I'd read just 6 months ago when it was all Cheatriots and lock TB and BB up, etc. At least for now, Roger's name is in the process of being ruined.

 

[Reverend]

You're encouraged that, at this point, only Patriots fans bother to engage the comments on #deflategate articles?

 

[pappymojo]

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/17/nfl-judge-richard-berman-deflategate-tom-brady-super-bowl-51-ted-wells-wells-report-roger-goodell

Interview with Judge Berman

KAHLER: So, justice was served on the field, but do you think justice was served in the courtroom for Tom Brady?

BERMAN: No. I would decide the way I decided in the same way today. I mean, I couldn’t actually, because the court of appeals has now had a precedent, but take that away, and I would go the same way. I would not change a thing.

 

[Van Everyman]

That's a great piece tho I do fear that all of his admissions that he was rooting for the Pats in the Super Bowl will only give fodder to the likes of Shank and Felger to continue arguing that Berman was always in the tank for Brady.

Personally, I think there's enough in the piece about how he was offended that Brady's due process rights were trampled—and saw no evidence to warrant such a harsh punishment—to make him inclined to find in Brady's favor. But I suspect that it is calling the first three quarters of the SB "depressing" will be what most people remember from this interview.

 

[Leather]

I really don't think many people will read, much less care about, much less remember, much less care about what Shank and Felger remember to care about, this article.

Time to get off the pre-emptive angst teat.

 

[InstaFace]

Time to get off the pre-emptive angst teat.

You mean, the Internet?