Eduardo Rodriguez placed on 10 day DL

[chrisfont9]

is this official?

two of Johnson/Pom/Velaz isn't very reassuring

Have you checked out the Sox' schedule? Between now and Labor Day we get the Yanks once at home and Cleveland too. Pair of series with Philly. Then... a lot of dreck: Tigers, Os, Twins, Jays, O's again, Tampa twice, Miami, White Sox. Plus FOUR days off in August alone. If Edro can be back by late August, I'd say we can afford to ride with the current roster instead of making some costly panic deal.

 

[chrisfont9]

For two years now, every time I see ER I see Clay Bucholz 2.0

He got in a collision. Does that make him unnaturally fragile?

 

[Jerry’s Curl]

If Porcello bounces back in his next couple of starts, I will feel a lot better about the month without Erod. We can patch together 4 and 5 in the rotation.

 

[TheoShmeo]

Did we trade Porcello?

Brain fart in my post. My point was that we have Sale/Price/PORCELLO...and duct tape for the last two spots.

 

[chawson]

After a nice first seven starts, Porcello is pretty close to reverting to 2017 form.

Porcello last year: 203.1 IP, 4.60 FIP, 20.4 K%, 1.68 HR/9, 2.12 BB/9, .348 wOBA against
Porcello since 5/9: 73.2 IP, 4.77 FIP, 20.4 K%, 1.47 HR/9, 3.18 BB/9, .354 wOBA against

No idea why some people want him to replace Price as the #2 in the playoff rotation.

 

[Green Monster]

This report is a few months old...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/03/quick-hits-miller-tribe-conforto-ubaldo-cubs-rangers.html



Adding a veteran on a minor league deal (Lackey, Kazmir, Feldman, etc) would seem to be a reasonable part of the "duct tape" plan

 

[uk_sox_fan]

If he weren’t on such an incredible tear, I’d almost this rather have happened to Sale as a) I trust Sale to re-find his form more quickly after recovering and b) it would at least have the benefit of saving his arm for the playoffs.

(And don’t worry, I’ve already killed a chicken and burnt its intestines in a intricate ceremony to ensure I was creating a jinx with the above...)

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

No idea why some people want him to replace Price as the #2 in the playoff rotation.

Because they have seen Price start in the playoffs?

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Adding a veteran on a minor league deal (Lackey, Kazmir, Feldman, etc) would seem to be a reasonable part of the "duct tape" plan

I don't see how this is feasible at this point. I think there's a reason that article is four months old...this is a set-in-motion-in-March/April kind of plan, not a roll-out-in-July plan.

For a pitcher to build up, from scratch, to a starter's work load (let's say 80+ pitches), that's a good 6-7 week process, maybe more depending on how much throwing the guy has been doing while unemployed. Think spring training...pitchers report in early/mid February and ramp up aiming toward an April 1 (give or take a few days) Opening Day deadline. And these are the guys that are working out and preparing for at least 6-8 weeks before reporting (presuming at least a month of rest after the season).

Signing a street free agent right now would mean they wouldn't be viable starters (75-80+ pitches per outing) until probably September at the earliest, and that's just in terms of stamina. Who knows what kind of "stuff" they'll have after their time off. If one of those guys is now languishing in some other franchise's minor leagues, or an independent league, and can be had, that's a different story. I'm not aware that there is such a pitcher though.

Given that kind of time table, they'd be just as well off hoping for the best in terms of getting back Wright or Rodriguez by September.

 

[Green Monster]

I can't argue with any of that.......Not sure there are any great options, seems like the FA veteran approach is low risk although as you point out with limited expectations. If they stand pat, the thing I worry about is over working the bullpen. Perhaps they just need to add a solid bullpen arm.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

I can't argue with any of that.......Not sure there are any great options, seems like the FA veteran approach is low risk although as you point out with limited expectations. If they stand pat, the thing I worry about is over working the bullpen. Perhaps they just need to add a solid bullpen arm.

I think they can keep the pen fresh with the shuttle guys they have, same as they've been doing. Poyner, Beeks, Cuevas, Haley, Scott, Jerez, Chandler, and Buttrey are all there on the 40-man for that purpose. Not saying they can't add a bullpen arm, but I don't think it's imperative.

 

[geoduck no quahog]

There are 64 games left this season, which theoretically means 12 more starts for the Rodriguez spot. Let's speculate that a "healthy" Rodriguez may have resulted in an 8-4 record versus 4-8 . While that theorizes a 4-game delta, it's also probable that Rodriguez returns to form sometime before the playoffs, so I'm thinking maybe a 3-game net impact in the standings and since he doesn't generally go deep anyway, the impact on the bullpen is minimized (Rodriguez rarely goes long in games - he's averaging less than 6 ip per).

So, absent an impact starter that could contribute in the playoffs, what's the cost-benefit of replacing him in the 2nd half?

I agree with those who are lobbying for a "cost-free" stop-gap starter solution but the addition of a legitimate bullpen arm.

 

[chawson]

Not sure it’s quite the sellers’ market some folks are saying. The Twins are about to head into a massive rebuild, and Lynn, Odorizzi, Gibson and (rehabbing) Ervin Santana are all likely available.

Kyle Gibson is having a very good year while making $4.2M—less than $2M against the Sox payroll—and would make a nice replacement for Pom next year before hitting FA in 2020.

 

[bosockboy]

There are 64 games left this season, which theoretically means 12 more starts for the Rodriguez spot. Let's speculate that a "healthy" Rodriguez may have resulted in an 8-4 record versus 4-8 . While that theorizes a 4-game delta, it's also probable that Rodriguez returns to form sometime before the playoffs, so I'm thinking maybe a 3-game net impact in the standings and since he doesn't generally go deep anyway, the impact on the bullpen is minimized (Rodriguez rarely goes long in games - he's averaging less than 6 ip per).

So, absent an impact starter that could contribute in the playoffs, what's the cost-benefit of replacing him in the 2nd half?

I agree with those who are lobbying for a "cost-free" stop-gap starter solution but the addition of a legitimate bullpen arm.

Or double down on offense and lengthen the lineup by getting a 2b who can hit.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

Or double down on offense and lengthen the lineup by getting a 2b who can hit.

this is like those Machado to Yanks rumors. I want the more balanced team prioritized first.

 

[jerry casale]

He got in a collision. Does that make him unnaturally fragile?

It just seems that, like Clay, there is something each year that keeps him from fulfilling the potential. How much has he missed already because of the knee. I'm just saying, so far, he hasn't been very lucky for whatever reason.

 

[williams_482]

There are 64 games left this season, which theoretically means 12 more starts for the Rodriguez spot. Let's speculate that a "healthy" Rodriguez may have resulted in an 8-4 record versus 4-8 . While that theorizes a 4-game delta, it's also probable that Rodriguez returns to form sometime before the playoffs, so I'm thinking maybe a 3-game net impact in the standings and since he doesn't generally go deep anyway, the impact on the bullpen is minimized (Rodriguez rarely goes long in games - he's averaging less than 6 ip per).

So, absent an impact starter that could contribute in the playoffs, what's the cost-benefit of replacing him in the 2nd half?

I agree with those who are lobbying for a "cost-free" stop-gap starter solution but the addition of a legitimate bullpen arm.

If we think Rodriguez is worth 4 wins over his replacements in 12 starts, then we should be working on his Hall of Fame case. That's ~10 WAR over a full season of work.

For a more realistic "worst case" assessment of how much Rodriguez's loss is going to cost us, let's say he's a true-talent 3.50 ERA pitcher, and the pitchers filling in for him (both the spot starters and any relievers who have to come in early to replace him) are 5.50 ERA guys. That's a delta of 0.22 runs per inning, over an average of 6 * 12 = 72 innings, so 16 runs or about 1.5 wins. Given the rather mediocre options for us to trade for (Maybe we could get a 4.00 ERA guy?) we might be able to recover about 1 win.