Eduardo Rodriguez placed on 10 day DL
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I imagine activating Brian Johnson to start today is the corresponding move. More MLB service time for Poyner.
I was surprised Cuevas got his start yesterday, figured he'd come up to back up BJ
I was surprised Cuevas got his start yesterday, figured he'd come up to back up BJ
Eduardo is so damn fragile. I fall down all the time, and rarely need a DL trip.
But if it makes him stronger in the fall, so be it.
But if it makes him stronger in the fall, so be it.
This is a bit reactive, but it's also not the first time there has been an injury on a play like this. Other than preventing a few injuries, what would change if MLB went with a safety-style first base like they use in men's softball and youth baseball -- where the "real" first base remains where it is and the safety one that runner runs toward is right next to it (in foul territory). Maybe it would become a little easier to avoid the tag on plays where the throw is off and the 1B has to make a tag out?
Good news is he walked off without much of a limp. My wife sprained her ankle badly a few years ago climbing, and we thought she had broken it. Immediate swelling and turning purple, couldn't put weight on it from the moment she hit the ground. If you can stroll around on it (and the trainers let you), it's not too bad.
Re:. Double base. Never made any sense to me why the runner has to stay on the right side of the foul line (last 45 feet) running to first but the base is to the left of the foul line. Double base eliminates this. However the pitcher still has to take the proper path to the base.
ERod is getting those ligament tests today. so we'll know hopefully soon how severe this is.
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2018/07/eduardo_rodriguez_goes_on_dl_b.html
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2018/07/eduardo_rodriguez_goes_on_dl_b.html
Cora just confirmed some ligament damage in postgame. Will be in a boot for 2 weeks, then re-evaluated. As of now no surgery.
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With this injury, Pomeranz not looking encouraging, Wright's knee still an issue, we suddenly could be needing a starter.
If Pomeranz doesn’t get fixed quickly we probably have to explore the starting pitching market. Johnson is in indefinitely now it would seem. After him who knows.
What's the best-case timeline? If he's in the boot the 2nd half of July, maybe he needs another 2 weeks to make sure he can run while also throwing to ramp up the arm strength. Then 2-3 rehab starts the second half of August (which is the end of the AAA season), before re-joining the rotation in September.
If he gets re-evaluated in 2 weeks and the results are that he isn't read to start running/throwing, I'd think it would be tough for him to re-join the rotation by the end of the season. In that case, he'd probably have to do something along the lines of what Price did late last season.
More than a bit reactive.
The injury happened due to a collision with at least one guy not able to look for the base. Unless the bases were 10 feet apart this collision is happening.
Probably Labor Day at best; anything we get the rest of the season should probably looked at as a bonus. Guy is just snakebit.
Again. The staring pitching market is non existent. Everyone who is available has so many warts and have been hit around lately it might be safer to just stretch out Johnson and Velasquez.
Sounds similar to early reports on Swihart when he injured his ankle
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2016/06/blake_swihart_severe_ankle_spr.html
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2016/06/blake_swihart_severe_ankle_spr.html
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Those guys are better served in the pen/long reliever/spot starter role. We can ride them for a couple weeks until it becomes more clear how long Rodriguez/Pomeranz/Wright will be out, but after that we need better options. One of them in the rotation for a short while is fine, but both of them just makes for a really shaky rotation and hurts the bullpen. And if another starter goes down we're in trouble. SP depth is not looking good right now
1. Sale
2. Porcello
3. Price
4. Johnson
5. Velasquez
6. Pomeranz?
7. Beeks?
Rodriguez - Out indefinitely
Wright - Out indefinitely
And the market for SP doesn't look good either. This injury sucks.
Even if you did that we probably need another layer of depth. Eduardo and Wright probably won’t see a mound for a good while. A Tyson Ross or Jeremy Hellickson type is certainly attainable.
A few cheap starters that are likely available:
Francisco Liriano
Tyson Ross
Jeremy Hellickson
Bartolo Colon
Not great obviously. Be very difficult now to shore up the rotation and bullpen without going over the tax limit. Pretty big decision looming for Henry unless Pomeranz gets his shit together pretty quick.
Does she have decent movement on her fastball? How good are her secondary pitches?
Mookie was out a couple weeks but this feels like the biggest injury hurdle to overcome so far.
I am sad.
I am sad.
Friday 7/20 - Price
Saturday 7/21 - Johnson
Sunday 7/22 - Sale
Monday 7/23 - Porcello
Tuesday 7/24 - Pomeranz/Velazquez
Saturday 7/21 - Johnson
Sunday 7/22 - Sale
Monday 7/23 - Porcello
Tuesday 7/24 - Pomeranz/Velazquez
This is a tough loss he’s been pitching like a 2/3 for us this year.
Same leg as the knee injury?
Same leg as the knee injury?
The Yankees are reportedly hot on him but Matt Harvey is another candidate. He is making ~$5.6mm total for the season so that might make it untenable from a tax perspective.
I think we may be looking at 4-6 weeks and thats optimistic. He is not going be healed after 2 weeks in a boot. Say another 2 weeks to heal and strengthen and then he has to build up arm strength and make a rehab start or two.
Dont want to to rush him back on a weak ankle as this can impact knee and arm. Hope to see him by labour day
Of course, I am no Doc and only have my own experience of a sprained ankle with ligament damage that had me on crutches for 3 weeks with another 2 weeks before I was pain free. All ankle injuries are not the same but the more they swell up the longer they take to heal is my experience. Also in the case above I was able to walk ok for a few hours in going to ER and xrays (waste of time) which likely made the swelling worse and lengthened recovery time. I imagine Erod was RICED up pretty quick but he seemed in more pain than I was initially
Dont want to to rush him back on a weak ankle as this can impact knee and arm. Hope to see him by labour day
Of course, I am no Doc and only have my own experience of a sprained ankle with ligament damage that had me on crutches for 3 weeks with another 2 weeks before I was pain free. All ankle injuries are not the same but the more they swell up the longer they take to heal is my experience. Also in the case above I was able to walk ok for a few hours in going to ER and xrays (waste of time) which likely made the swelling worse and lengthened recovery time. I imagine Erod was RICED up pretty quick but he seemed in more pain than I was initially
Lots of tea leaf reading now. But I'll play...with the boot coming off in two weeks, it's hard to imagine him pitching at the big league level in anything less than four weeks from now. And that's if all goes well.
This sucks on so many levels. Given what they have and don't have in the system starting pitcher wise, the huge uncertainties around Pomeranz and Wright, that this team is a legitimate contender and that the window is arguably small (with this mix of players) given the amount of players who will be up for new contracts in the next few years, it behooves DD to acquire another starter. Until this happened, I assumed that they could mix and match and that Dombrowski could use his limited trade chits to acquire bullpen help or, dare to dream, on a high end splash like Machado (lower level possibility but you never know). Now, Sale/Price/Pomeranz and stitch it together for two starts doesn't seem like a good plan.
What a predicament.
This sucks on so many levels. Given what they have and don't have in the system starting pitcher wise, the huge uncertainties around Pomeranz and Wright, that this team is a legitimate contender and that the window is arguably small (with this mix of players) given the amount of players who will be up for new contracts in the next few years, it behooves DD to acquire another starter. Until this happened, I assumed that they could mix and match and that Dombrowski could use his limited trade chits to acquire bullpen help or, dare to dream, on a high end splash like Machado (lower level possibility but you never know). Now, Sale/Price/Pomeranz and stitch it together for two starts doesn't seem like a good plan.
What a predicament.
the two week reevaluation will come right before the deadline. DD likes to strike well in advance but he may have to wait this time.
it's also tempting to say this is a special team worth going all-in on, but the 237m luxury penalty is huge and you really just can't do that.
it's also tempting to say this is a special team worth going all-in on, but the 237m luxury penalty is huge and you really just can't do that.
Yes I’d take Harvey over any of those, I forgot him. If they have to add pitching they may be forced to go over the tax limit if they want to hold off the Yankees. Normally a 68-30 record you’d be on cruise control, but they have high stakes the rest of the way.
The other dumpster dive option is to go sign a Lackey or RA Dickey and get them throwing.
Henderson Alvarez has been healthy and pitching in the Mexican League. Absolutely zero strikeout ability but he's a ground ball machine when healthy, which he hadn't been from 2015-17.
http://versionfinal.com.ve/deportes/henderson-alvarez-finaliza-temporada-en-mexico/
Maybe he's regained the velocity he lost after 2014. Still only 28, which is more than can be said about most other dumpster dive options.
http://versionfinal.com.ve/deportes/henderson-alvarez-finaliza-temporada-en-mexico/
Maybe he's regained the velocity he lost after 2014. Still only 28, which is more than can be said about most other dumpster dive options.
You're probably right, but in general...wouldn't this save a few injuries, with otherwise little to no change to the game?
While in the dumpster........A couple other guys it might make sense to look at would be Matt Garza and Scott Kazmir. No idea if either has been staying in shape or if they have any interest in returning for a chance at getting a ring......I couldn't find anything about injuries for either.
Only in the sense that there's a greater chance he's recovered the skills that once made him effective in MLB. I'd be less likely to think so about a pitcher in his 30s, or Lackey or Dickey or Nolasco or whatever pitching equivalent of Brandon Phillips out there might be holding out for a contract.
Perhaps the kinesiologists teams have these days can come up with some activity that would at least help maintain arm strength.
My experience (which may be outdated) is that there really isn’t. You could play long toss from your knees but that would mess up your throwing mechanics. The only way to build and maintain arm strength is to throw, and throwing is a full-body motion.
One thing I’ve noticed about witnessing sports injuries the past 10-12 years is that medicine and technique have come along in a big way since then. Skiers I know blowing out their ACL’s 7 years ago had to deal with major surgery and could barely walk for weeks. Now it’s a couple small incisions and you are on you feet almost immediately(yes there are months of rehab for full strength).
I know we all like to make comparisons but I feel like comparing rehab from 7 years ago is like comparing my iPhone 7 to your iPhone 2. And I’m guessing not many of us have the money the Sox do behind the rehab
I know we all like to make comparisons but I feel like comparing rehab from 7 years ago is like comparing my iPhone 7 to your iPhone 2. And I’m guessing not many of us have the money the Sox do behind the rehab
A couple of thoughts...These guys that haven't pitched all year have been out of action longer than the typical off season. How much of a "spring training" do you figure they're going to need? Also, I get that the tax issue is a concern, but let me ask this. Might it be unreasonable to expect this sort of performance again next season? What we are witnessing this season has been other worldly so far. The way this offense is clicking coupled with the overall performance of the pitching staff, shouldn't you sort of be in GFIN mode? If it's mostly money that stands in the way, the Sox have it. Yes there are concerns attached to that, but this team right now has a chance to make history.
