East Regional Discussion and Analysis

RedOctober3829

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Raleigh Friday
1 Virginia
16 Coastal Carolina

8 Memphis
9 GW

Spokane Thursday
5 Cincinnati
12 Harvard

4 Michigan State
13 Delaware

Buffalo Thursday
2 Villanova
15 Milwaukee

7 UConn
10 St Joes

San Antonio Friday
3 Iowa State
15 NC Central

6 UNC
11 Providence

UConn a 7?????????????????????????
 

shawnrbu

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I thought that Florida win would mean something.
 
PC getting an 11 is interesting.  For sure they would have been in the play-in or out with a loss last night.  Michigan St. will be the most popular choice to win the East.
 

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Plantiers Wart said:
Well, UConn couldn't handle a 4 seed in three games.......
 
No respect for the mid-major AAC.  Only 4 teams in, while A-10 got 5?
A-10 got 6 and the A-10 as a whole is a better conference by a good amount than the AAC
 

Deathofthebambino

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PC would potentially have to go through UNC, Iowa State, Villanova and Virginia to reach the final 4.  I'm not sure I see a tougher road in any bracket for any team.  Obviously, as an 11 seed, they aren't supposed to have an easy go of it, but that's a murderer's row.  I'll be really happy for them if they just get by UNC.
 

DJnVa

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I see Michigan State coming out of here--although that UVA-MSU game should be great.
 

benhogan

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Deathofthebambino said:
PC would potentially have to go through UNC, Iowa State, Villanova and Virginia to reach the final 4.  I'm not sure I see a tougher road in any bracket for any team.  Obviously, as an 11 seed, they aren't supposed to have an easy go of it, but that's a murderer's row.  I'll be really happy for them if they just get by UNC.
Hard to project who they will play. UNC has played well lately, but Virginia is the lowest rated 1 seed. Villanova and Iowa St are weak 2 and 3 seeds.  Then again Mich State as a 4 seed is perplexing.
 

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As a Virginia fan, I just want to say how ridiculous it has been to see the national analysis on the East Region.  Something like 80% of commentators are picking Michigan State to win the regional, 15% are picking Iowa State, and maybe 5% are picking Virginia.  Absolutely no one is picking Villanova however.
 
After watching Virginia play for the last two and a half months, I feel very comfortable with them going toe to toe against anyone.  Obviously, Michigan State, when healthy is a tremendous team and will be a tough battle if both UVA and MSU make it to MSG.  Just think everyone is severely underrating UVA given the way they have continued to grind out Ws against excellent teams in the ACC over the last few months.  Their defense yesterday against Duke was absolutely clinical.  
 

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FWIW
 
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/giant-killers/

No. 6 North Carolina Tar Heels vs.
No. 11 Providence Friars

Upset odds: 34.9 percent

We've been singing Providence's praises as a "wounded assassin" for a while, noting that its GK traits were strong if it could just find way into the field. Well, now the Friars are here, and their stellar offensive rebounding and overall efficiency could cause problems for a UNC team that gets hurt on the defensive glass and allows too many 3-point attempts.
 

Dan Murfman

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ConigliarosPotential said:
Am I crazy, or does Michigan State-Delaware not have a "my bracket is ruined before dinner on Thursday" sort of feel to it?
You're crazy and if it does happen every single person in your pool will be in the same boat
 
Heh...in general I think one should be wary of a power conference team that overachieves to win its conference tournament, particularly when that means it has played its third game in three days only four days before its March Madness opener on the other side of the country. Maybe Delaware isn't the team to cause this particular shock, but if it happens, don't say you weren't warned...
 

canderson

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ConigliarosPotential said:
Am I crazy, or does Michigan State-Delaware not have a "my bracket is ruined before dinner on Thursday" sort of feel to it?
Michigan State was the preseason favorite by many to win the championship. They're rounding into form and Izzo's probably the best tournament coach in history (my opinion of course). So, crazy is a good call.
 

DJnVa

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ConigliarosPotential said:
Heh...in general I think one should be wary of a power conference team that overachieves to win its conference tournament, particularly when that means it has played its third game in three days only four days before its March Madness opener on the other side of the country. Maybe Delaware isn't the team to cause this particular shock, but if it happens, don't say you weren't warned...
 
MSU didn't overachieve to win their tourney, they got healthy.
 
And yes, thanks for the warning that upsets happen.
 

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TheDeuce222 said:
As a Virginia fan, I just want to say how ridiculous it has been to see the national analysis on the East Region.  Something like 80% of commentators are picking Michigan State to win the regional, 15% are picking Iowa State, and maybe 5% are picking Virginia.  Absolutely no one is picking Villanova however.
 
After watching Virginia play for the last two and a half months, I feel very comfortable with them going toe to toe against anyone.  Obviously, Michigan State, when healthy is a tremendous team and will be a tough battle if both UVA and MSU make it to MSG.  Just think everyone is severely underrating UVA given the way they have continued to grind out Ws against excellent teams in the ACC over the last few months.  Their defense yesterday against Duke was absolutely clinical.  
 
I think it's fair for UVA fans to feel a bit slighted.  I think they are a tough team and won't go down without a fight.
 
Having said that, the seeding of MSU as a 4 is simply perplexing.  Yes, I get that they had a rough go of it in the second half of the Big Ten season, but it isn't the same team now.  The team that won the tournament last weekend is a 1 seed, and the reason they are being treated with such deference is that everyone outside of the NCAA Tournament Committee appears to recognize it.
 
Nova as a 2 seed is silly.  They should have switched places with MSU.  I think Iowa State is fairly seeded as a 3.  But it doesn't make a lot of sense if they are getting more love than UVA in this bracket.
 
ConigliarosPotential said:
Heh...in general I think one should be wary of a power conference team that overachieves to win its conference tournament, particularly when that means it has played its third game in three days only four days before its March Madness opener on the other side of the country. Maybe Delaware isn't the team to cause this particular shock, but if it happens, don't say you weren't warned...
 
Delaware has a chance to stay within 15 or so.  That's about it.
 

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Average Reds said:
Nova as a 2 seed is silly.  They should have switched places with MSU. 
 
Kenpom, Sagarin, RPI, BPI, the AP poll and coaches poll all have Nova as a Top 8 team and higher than MSU. How silly can it be?
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
Kenpom, Sagarin, RPI, BPI, the AP poll and coaches poll all have Nova as a Top 8 team and higher than MSU. How silly can it be?
 
I think those measures put far too much weight on the November wins over Kansas and Iowa and not enough focus on the fact that they were crushed twice by the only other strong team in their conference (Creighton) before losing to a decidedly mediocre Seton Hall team in the conference tournament.
 
I get how the seeding came about, but IMO the formulas sometimes miss the bigger picture.  Nova and MSU are the two teams where that fits for this regional.  (Note:  I say that as a fan of Villanova and with hatred in my heart for MSU.)
 

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TheDeuce222 said:
As a Virginia fan, I just want to say how ridiculous it has been to see the national analysis on the East Region.  Something like 80% of commentators are picking Michigan State to win the regional, 15% are picking Iowa State, and maybe 5% are picking Virginia.  Absolutely no one is picking Villanova however.
 
After watching Virginia play for the last two and a half months, I feel very comfortable with them going toe to toe against anyone.  Obviously, Michigan State, when healthy is a tremendous team and will be a tough battle if both UVA and MSU make it to MSG.  Just think everyone is severely underrating UVA given the way they have continued to grind out Ws against excellent teams in the ACC over the last few months.  Their defense yesterday against Duke was absolutely clinical.  
 
Virginia is my title pick FWIW. 
 

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Average Reds said:
 
I think those measures put far too much weight on the November wins over Kansas and Iowa and not enough focus on the fact that they were crushed twice by the only other strong team in their conference (Creighton) before losing to a decidedly mediocre Seton Hall team in the conference tournament.
 
I get how the seeding came about, but IMO the formulas sometimes miss the bigger picture.  Nova and MSU are the two teams where that fits for this regional.  (Note:  I say that as a fan of Villanova and with hatred in my heart for MSU.)
Those 3 and the loss to Syracuse are it. With several big wins.  That is three losses to 3 seeds 1 to a 15 seed.
MSU lost 8 games.- 3 of those are excuseable losses to 2 seeds. then two 6, an 11, and two unseeded teams.
You can't put a team with those losses at 2, no matter how they played in the conference tournament.
 

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TheDeuce222 said:
As a Virginia fan, I just want to say how ridiculous it has been to see the national analysis on the East Region.  Something like 80% of commentators are picking Michigan State to win the regional, 15% are picking Iowa State, and maybe 5% are picking Virginia.  Absolutely no one is picking Villanova however.
 
After watching Virginia play for the last two and a half months, I feel very comfortable with them going toe to toe against anyone.  Obviously, Michigan State, when healthy is a tremendous team and will be a tough battle if both UVA and MSU make it to MSG.  Just think everyone is severely underrating UVA given the way they have continued to grind out Ws against excellent teams in the ACC over the last few months.  Their defense yesterday against Duke was absolutely clinical.  
 
Hopefully a blessing in disguise for our Wahoos.  Maybe it gives us a little more edge and fight.  Any team in the country can be beat on any night but look out world if Joe Harris and Malcolm Brogden are in the "zone" shooting.  I'm not sure I've ever felt this good about my Hoos. 
 
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Average Reds said:
 
 
 
 The team that won the tournament last weekend is a 1 seed, and the reason they are being treated with such deference is that everyone outside of the NCAA Tournament Committee appears to recognize it.
 
Any team that lost to that Illinois team that I saw in the first half at Harry's Arena, isn't a #1 seed, sorry.
 

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Does anybody know how the seating at MSG will work? Are there sections set aside for each team? I'm going to get some tix on Stubhub, I think. Prob will just go for the best seats, but curious if I should shoot for one area over another.
 
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Does anybody know how the seating at MSG will work? Are there sections set aside for each team? I'm going to get some tix on Stubhub, I think. Prob will just go for the best seats, but curious if I should shoot for one area over another.
Schools get about 1250 each. I believe one gets 108-109, another gets 105-106, another 118-119, another 115-116. I'd call the school(s) maybe they will divulge which sections are for their donors.  Most should be "public" seats, especially upper level.