The Curious Adventures of Dwayne Allen

[RedOctober3829]

So, that takes the Pats out of the fourth round completely, right?

Yes it does at the moment.

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

Trade is Allen and a 4th for a 6th.

If that were the actual deal, it would be the steal of the century. Allen and a 6th for a 4th.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Yes it does at the moment.

So, if they get another fourth rounder, they get their own pick back?

 

[jsinger121]

Yes it does at the moment.

They will probably trade 103 for a 4th and a 5th or 6th rounder.

 

[moondog80]

Not bad. Thought it would be a later pick.

The way the Pats draft, he difference between the Colts 6th and Pats 4th (last in the round) is likely small.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Doug Kyed‏Verified account @DougKyed 15m15 minutes ago
It was exactly one year ago today Gronk sent out the cryptic tweet about being underpaid after ... Dwayne Allen signed for 4 years, $29.4M.

 

[Stitch01]

Wow that cost less than I expected.

 

[Van Everyman]

Trade is Allen and a 4th for a 6th.

Isn't it Allen and a 6th for a 4th?

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 14s15 seconds ago




Patriots traded a fourth-round pick to Colts for TE Dwayne Allen and a sixth-round pick, per league sources.

 

[54thMA]

EEI is reporting the Colts are sending the Patriots Allen and a 6th, getting back a 4th from the Patriots............

 

[RedOctober3829]

If that were the actual deal, it would be the steal of the century. Allen and a 6th for a 4th.

Thank you.

 

[Ed Hillel]

This is a great move. I have no idea how nobody wanted to beat that offer, but I said the same of Bennett last year. Belichick is a ninja.

 

[Ferm Sheller]

EEI is reporting the Colts are sending the Patriots Allen and a 6th, getting back a 4th from the Patriots............

I'm hearing that it's the Pats who are sending a 4th to the Colts for Allen and a 6th.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago
Can tell there's a new regime in Indy when the Colts and Patriots are making trades.

 

[Mooch]

I'm hearing that it's the Pats who are sending a 4th to the Colts for Allen and a 6th.

In terms of relative pick value, that's essentially Allen for a mid 6th round pick. That's a great trade for the Pats.

 

[Stitch01]

I dont think it takes the Pats completely out of the draft market for TE's. Would be a little surprised if they use a 1st round pick there, but Matt Lengel's status isnt going to keep them from adding a developmental guy they like.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I think the pigpile on Red's temporary lysdexia is over

 

[Ferm Sheller]

I think the pigpile on Red's temporary lysdexia is over

Seconded.

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

If Allen has a great year for the Pats, and the Colts continue to be mediocre, the rending of garments will be epic.

I look forward to trolling my friends and neighbors.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Dwayne Allen must be ecstatic that people are actually going to draft him in fantasy football now.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

When thinking about the draft picks, it's also important to note I think that the Patriots by not needing to re-sign Bennett now get a compensatory pick next year. Likely a third rounder if Bennett gets his $9m, and in no case likely to be worse than the 4th rounder they just traded away.

Also, because they acquired him by trade, they do not have to give back one of next year's compensatory picks as they perhaps would have had to if they had gone to FA market to sign a TE.

 

[pappymojo]

I dont think it takes the Pats completely out of the draft market for TE's. Would be a little surprised if they use a 1st round pick there, but Matt Lengel's status isnt going to keep them from adding a developmental guy they like.

Agreed. My sense is the Patriots like to cover their bases in free agency so that they go into the draft without having pressing needs. This best allows them to draft who falls to them regardless of position.

 

[Super Nomario]

Hard not to like this move. They have cap space, and he only costs $5m this year. He has good skills, so if he's the second tight end, he plays a good complimentary role to Gronk. He's a vet, so if you need him to move up to be your TE1 you have some confidence he can contribute. If you want to move on next year, there is no cap consequence to doing so. If he succeeds, you have him under control for decent money.

And the pick they'll get back for Bennett is likely to be higher than the pick it sounds like they are giving the Colts. Hard to find a piece of the puzzle that fits better.



They tendered Lengel, so that's another $1.4m or so already committed to the tight end position, I think. My guess is they are done with TE.

IIRC, that tender isn't guaranteed (they tendered and rescinded on Brian Hoyer a few years ago). So they still have flexibility to draft a guy if they like one.

Mike Lombardi talked on a Podcast recently about not getting mentally trapped into a false duality. This is a great example of how the Patriots don't. It's not just Bennett or no Bennett - it's Bennett or no Bennett or Allen or a draft guy or a FA ...

 

[Ferm Sheller]

For those scoring at home, it must be pick #137 for Allen and #200.

 

[edmunddantes]

If the Pats trade back into the 4th round, they will now pick the level of the pick they traded for so long as it's lower than Seattle's pick that is currently forfeited as it's the highest pick they own in the 4th.

 

[edmunddantes]

So we can trade with any of these teams for these picks
25 (131). Forfeited pick
26 (132). Kansas City Chiefs
27 (133). Dallas Cowboys
28 (134). Green Bay Packers
29 (135). Pittsburgh Steelers
30 (136). Atlanta Falcons
31 (137). Just traded to Colts
32 (138). Cincinnati Bengals (Compensatory Selection)
33 (139). Philadelphia Eagles from Cleveland Browns (Compensatory Selection)
34 (140). New York Giants
35 (141). Los Angeles Rams (Compensatory Selection)
36 (142). Cleveland Browns (Compensatory Selection)
37 (143). San Francisco 49ers (Compensatory Selection)
38 (144). Indianapolis Colts (Compensatory Selection)


Any other trade nets us Seattle's pick back and the loss of the newly acquired 4th round pick.

 

[TappenWatney]

I really wanted Doyle, was hoping the Colts would let him test FA. He (and Bennett) are both better than Allen IMHO, but I'm good with the deal, at least for the first 2 years.

And I'm the confident BB and Co. will use the 6th rd. pick wisely.

 

[Al Zarilla]

This is a great move. I have no idea how nobody wanted to beat that offer, but I said the same of Bennett last year. Belichick is a ninja.

Dave DeGuglielmo called Brady a ninja in Do Your Job. Belichick is Warren Buffett or Bill Gates or Steve Jobs?

 

[E5 Yaz]

I really wanted Doyle, was hoping the Colts would let him test FA. He (and Bennett) are both better than Allen IMHO, but I'm good with the deal, at least for the first 2 years.

I haven't laughed out loud at a username in a long time. Thanks.

 

[TappenWatney]

Welcome

 

[E5 Yaz]

 

[edmunddantes]

So we can trade with any of these teams for these picks
25 (131). Forfeited pick
26 (132). Kansas City Chiefs
27 (133). Dallas Cowboys
28 (134). Green Bay Packers
29 (135). Pittsburgh Steelers
30 (136). Atlanta Falcons
31 (137). Just traded to Colts
32 (138). Cincinnati Bengals (Compensatory Selection)
33 (139). Philadelphia Eagles from Cleveland Browns (Compensatory Selection)
34 (140). New York Giants
35 (141). Los Angeles Rams (Compensatory Selection)
36 (142). Cleveland Browns (Compensatory Selection)
37 (143). San Francisco 49ers (Compensatory Selection)
38 (144). Indianapolis Colts (Compensatory Selection)


Any other trade nets us Seattle's pick back and the loss of the newly acquired 4th round pick.

And in case you forgot... what is that random non compensatory pick by the NY Giants at 140? That is their punishment for walkie talk gate. Didn't lose their fourth pick, didn't even get forced to pick dead last, just moved down a bunch of slots...

Lol

 

[tims4wins]

Basically the Pats traded Bennett and a 4th for Allen plus a 6th plus a 3rd or 4th next year plus $3-5m in cap space. And Allen is 27 vs Bennett 30. But they win because of Spygate and Deflategate.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

So bye bye to Marty, one of the "no White House Six", along with Chris Long (already gone), LGBT (probably gone) and Alan Branch and Hightower (? on both), leaving just McCourty.

Coincidence?




Probably.

 

[TappenWatney]

So bye bye to Marty, one of the "no White House Six", along with Jake Long (already gone), LGBT (probably gone) and Allan Branch and Hightower (? on both), leaving just McCourty.

Coincidence?




Probably.

Alan Branch and Chris Long

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Do we really want a guy who lets his phone get down to 19%?

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Alan Branch and Chris Long

I knew that, just wanted to see your user name again.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Allen travels with a fast crowd

 

[Ferm Sheller]

Random off topic question: do new guys get to go to the ring ceremony (but obviously not collect a ring)?

 

[Van Everyman]

Alan Branch and Chris Long

And Bubba Hightower

 

[joe dokes]

Allen travels with a fast crowd

I love the implied, "'cause you'd never have gotten one here."

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Love this deal.

I'll always have great memories of Marty though. He and Chris Long both go into the short term Patriot Hall of Fame for me, along with Bryan Cox, Ted Washington, Brandon Browner, etc.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I love the implied, "'cause you'd never have gotten one here."

Was that implied or inferred?

 

[Van Everyman]

Love this deal.

I'll always have great memories of Marty though. He and Chris Long both go into the short term Patriot Hall of Fame for me, along with Bryan Cox, Ted Washington, Brandon Browner, etc.

Completely agree re. Marty -- he was fun to root for for a lot of reasons. This interview pretty much summed up why:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super-bowl/0ap3000000783742/Michael-Bennett-crashes-brother-Martellus-interview-We-ve-always-pushed-each-other

 

[joe dokes]

Was that implied or inferred?

What are you implying?

 

[Al Zarilla]

Completely agree re. Marty -- he was fun to root for for a lot of reasons. This interview pretty much summed up why:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super-bowl/0ap3000000783742/Michael-Bennett-crashes-brother-Martellus-interview-We-ve-always-pushed-each-other

All us fans loved Marty's banter, but I wondered if BB was cringing over some of it. Thanks for the Martellories.

 

[johnmd20]

What are you implying?

I infer he's implying there's too much inference here.

 

[joe dokes]

I infer he's implying there's too much inference here.

Infer a dime infer a dollar.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Albert Breer‏Verified account @AlbertBreer 58m58 minutes ago
From a connected source on Dwayne Allen: Devastating blocker, ability to body guys up and be an elite red-zone threat in pass game. (cont)
Albert Breer‏Verified account @AlbertBreer 58m58 minutes ago
Also, able to move all over the formation, play fullback, in the slot, etc. Issues: Health and consistency. Sometimes lacks focus.
Albert Breer‏Verified account @AlbertBreer 56m56 minutes ago
From what I can gather, thought for Pats is their environment should help get Allen more mentally locked in. Health obviously a wild card.

 

[MarkBT]

Love this deal.

I'll always have great memories of Marty though. He and Chris Long both go into the short term Patriot Hall of Fame for me, along with Bryan Cox, Ted Washington, Brandon Browner, etc.

Agree - Mahh-tee will be missed. A fun athlete to follow. I like your concept of the "short term" Patriot HOF. Allow me to nominate: Revis, Brian Waters, Mark Anderson, and Albert Haynesworth (kidding..)

 

[AB in DC]

Junior Seau.