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Drew vs Tom vs Time

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by Dernells Casket n Flagon, Aug 18, 2018.

  1. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    I agree with all that. My statement was in the context of the Superdome having some sort of special QB-enhancing properties beyond that of a normal domed stadium. You made the comparison to Todd Helton upthread; I think that's unfair because there's only one Coors Field while in the NFL more than a quarter of the teams play in domes or retractable roof stadiums. Brees has a significant advantage but hardly a unique one.
     
  2. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    If you’re really going to get down to it, isn’t the whole division (NFC South) favorable to QBs? All the teams are warm weather and/or dome teams. It’s not just that Brady plays home games at Foxboro, he also plays away every year in NY and Buffalo.
     
  3. Dernells Casket n Flagon

    Dernells Casket n Flagon Member SoSH Member

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    5 games into the season and neither player is slowing down:

    Brees 148 of 190 (77.9%) for 1658 Yards, 11 TDs, 0 INTs and a 122.3 Rating
    Brady 121 of 179 (67.6%) for 1259 Yards, 12 TDs, 6 INTs and a 96.1 Rating

    Brees just passed Peyton for the all time lead in passing yards. Brady looks like he'll need to come back next season to pass Peyton and Favre. Brady temporarily took a 1 TD lead on Brees with his 500th TD pass this past weekend and is now 8 shy of Favre and 39 shy of Peyton.

    Including playoff numbers, Brady is now at 571 TDs to Peyton's 579 to Brees' 528. Brady has 77,644 yards to Manning's 79,279 and Brees' 76,312.
     
  4. bsj

    bsj Renegade Crazed Genius SoSH Member

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    3 of those damn INTs are deflections (and at least 1 cost a TD)...13 and 3 looks so much better
     
  5. EricFeczko

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    The conventional wisdom is plain wrong. This idea that QB's magically breakdown later in their career is driven more by randomness within a single season than a downward trajectory. Especially for QB's with 10+ years experience.


    http://www.advancedfootballanalytic...rch/payroll-personnel/93-how-quarterbacks-age

    The other form of decline is injuries/surgeries, such as in the case of Peyton Manning.
     
  6. GoDa

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    I remember Dan Marino being a QB who it felt like lost it pretty quick.

    One season he seemed to still had a prime-ish quality arm, then the next he was a crafty vet throwing Manning-esque lollipops. I remember it being pretty brutal listening to the announcers, in denial, raving about how he still had it on any of the most mediocre throws.
     
  7. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Didn’t he have a few significant injuries right before that?
     
  8. m0ckduck

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    Remember those features like this one that had Mo Lewis among the most important figures in Pats dynasty history? By the same token, Miami's medical team could well have appeared in this list. Imagine if both these QBs had been playing in the same division. Consider the enhanced GOAT status rivalry and contemplate how much more fraught the Pats hold on AFC East domination would have been in some years.
     
  9. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Smith runs out of bounds. GJGE.
     
  10. Kliq

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    Brees is having arguably the most efficient season in NFL history; he's completing an absurd 77 percent of his passes on a league leading 10.2 AY/A, which is just an insane combination. 25 TDs and only one pick. He plays in a dome and rules favor the passing game, but we are witnessing a masterpiece.
     
  11. bakahump

    bakahump Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yea for awhile I thought Tom on pure longevity would beat out Brees for the "Most evers...."

    But I am beginning to think he wont catch him even if he plays an additional year. If he plays 2 additional years he might nip him.

    But Brees doesnt appear to be slowing down either.
     
  12. BaseballJones

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    I came here to post something similar. His numbers this year are just jaw-dropping.

    257-334 (76.9%), 2,964 yds, 25 td, 1 int, 126.9 rating, 8.9 y/a, 10.2 ay/a

    Last three games: 69-91 (75.8%), 974 yds, 11 td, 0 int, 149.5 rating, 10.7 y/a, 13.1 ay/a

    Meanwhile his team has put up 45, 51, and 48 points in those three games.

    These are truly video game numbers he's putting up. And yeah he throws a lot of short passes. But here are his numbers on passes 11-40 yards downfield.

    51-74 (68.9%), 1,194 yds, 16.1 y/a, 7 td, 1 int, 137.5 rating

    Compare those numbers to Brady's and Rodgers':

    Brees: 51-74 (68.9%), 1,194 yds, 16.1 y/a, 7 td, 1 int, 137.5 rating
    Brady: 57-110 (51.8%), 1,238 yds, 11.3 y/a, 10 td, 4 int, 107.3 rating
    Rodgers: 50-112 (44.6%), 1,357 yds, 12.1 y/a, 8 td, 1 int, 109.9 rating

    Brees is CRUSHING these two on downfield throws in terms of efficiency. The man is unbelievable and no, it doesn't look like he's slowing down at all.
     
  13. Super Nomario

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    The Saints offense is stupid efficient. The 2007 Patriots scored on almost 53% of their drives, averaging almost 3.2 points per drive. That was substantially better than those imposter 2013 Broncos, who scored on "only" 47.5% of their drives, averaging a "mere" 2.8 points per drive.

    This year's Saints? Scoring on 62.5% of drives, almost 3.6 points per drive. That might not be as efficient as the 2007 Pats given dome and what appear to be higher overall levels of scoring, but holy crap.
     
  14. bosox79

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    Might be hard considering Brees is 18 months younger.
     
  15. Dernells Casket n Flagon

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    Two of the greatest QBs in history showed no signs of slowing down this year and both have lead their teams to byes and now to the Conference championship. Brady has already said he's coming back next year. Brees hasn't made any comments (that I've found) since October, and at the time indicated he probably wouldn't retire even if the Saints won the Superbowl.

    Brees turned 40 this week, led the entire league in QB Rating, set the career yards record and gained a 3 TD lead on Brady for career TDs. He'll enter next season 19 behind Peyton for the career TD mark.

    Would make a hell of a finale to the season to see two guys with a combined age of over 80 competing for the Superbowl.
     

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