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Discussion in 'Wait, Who???' started by Super Nomario, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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  2. mascho

    mascho Kane is Able SoSH Member

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    Yeah, this is pretty much my "binkie" draft.  
     
    29  
    DE KONY EALY
    MISSOURI
     
    62  
    TE TROY NIKLAS
    NOTRE DAME
     
    93  
    TE C.J. FIEDOROWICZ
    IOWA
     
    126  
    QB A.J. MCCARRON
    ALABAMA
     
    182  
    CB LAVELLE WESTBROOKS
    GEORGIA SOUTHERN
     
    190  
    WR KEVIN NORWOOD
    ALABAMA
     
    221  
    RB LORENZO TALIAFERRO
    COASTAL CAROLINA
     
  3. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    No OL, mascho? I like both Niklas and Fiedorowicz, but I think both are redundant. Love Ealy at 29.
     
    Here's a link to the draft predictions contest from last year:
    http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/77237-2013-draft-predictions-contest/
     
    I think it should be weighted the opposite of how it was, i.e., first-and-second- round hits should score the highest. It's kind of of dumb that I won by picking two UDFAs who were released before playing a down for the Pats.
     
  4. mascho

    mascho Kane is Able SoSH Member

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    Yeah, XSF came off the board at 19 in that simulator.  Bitino went at 65, and was available at 63 when I took Niklas.  
     
    The selection that intrigues me the most in this draft is that third round pick, where I took CJF.  Seems like that is when the talent really, really starts to thin out.  
     
  5. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    I think it thins out after about the second round at the obvious positions of need - pass rush, OL, and TE - at least in terms of immediate starters.
    I just ran a session of OTC, and the following players were available at 62:
    DTs Easley, Quarles, DaQuan Jones, Sutton, Anthony Johnson, Ellis, Reid, McCullers
    TEs Niklas, Fiedorowicz
    G/C Brandon Thomas, Swanson, Richburg, Martin
     
    But usually most of those guys are gone by round 3. But there are a lot of intriguing names at other positions - Paul Richardson and Martavis Bryant at WR, Pierre Desire, Ross Cockrell, and Phillip Gaines at CB, Carlos Hyde and Bishop Sankey at RB, A.J. McCarron, Aaron Murray, and Davis Fales at QB. It's not necessarily going to shake out like that in real life, of course, but I think it points to depth in the middle rounds, just not necessarily aligning with the Pats' short-term needs. That said, RB (where Ridley and Vereen are both FA after 2014), CB (where neither Revis nor Browner is a lock to be here more than 1 year), WR (where Amendola could be gone after the year), and QB (where Mallett's gone after the year and Brady's not getting younger) are positions of need in the longer-term.
     
    Maybe this points to a trade-back strategy: if they can deal from 29 to 45 or so and pick up a 3rd, they'd be in a position to nab something like Bitonio (45), Easley (62), Fiedorowicz (85), and a QB / CB / RB / WR (or double-up at one of these) at 96 and 126. That wouldn't be too shabby.
     
  6. Dr. Gonzo

    Dr. Gonzo Member SoSH Member

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    With Wilfork still with the team I didn't see a reason to draft a DT with Big Vince, Kelly, Vellano, and Jones. Richburg is one the top centers in the draft and Bitonio can swing down to guard if Cannon doesn't  play there. CJ is more talent infused in a position that lacks it with Gronk out. Grice is a great addition at RB as he can catch the ball out of the backfield, 50 catches last year, while he ran for 5.2 yards a carry. He did have a leg injury at the end of year last year which pushed him down the middle rounds of the draft. Great upside and is Vereen/Ridley insurance in the event one or both leave. Last two picks are injured lottery tickets for the O-Line. Patchan was recruited by and played for Urban Meyer at Florida before going to BC. He has had a number of injuries but made it through last year unscathed. Long was one of the best guards in the country before tearing his ACL last October.
     
     
    29  
    DE KONY EALY
    MISSOURI
     
    62  
    C WESTON RICHBURG
    COLORADO STATE
     
    93  
    OT JOEL BITONIO
    NEVADA
     
    126  
    TE C.J. FIEDOROWICZ
    IOWA
     
    182  
    RB MARION GRICE
    ARIZONA STATE
     
    190  
    OT MATT PATCHAN
    BOSTON COLLEGE
     
    221  
    G SPENCER LONG
    NEBRASKA
     
  7. Eck'sSneakyCheese

    Eck'sSneakyCheese Member SoSH Member

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    This is what I ended up with:
     
    29 - Kony Ealy, DE Misssouri 
     
    62 - Joel Bitonio, OL Nevada
     
    93 - CJF, TE Iowa
     
    126 - Daniel McCullers, DT Tennessee
     
    182 - Dontae Johnson, DB NC State
     
    190 - Wes Johnson, OL Vanderbilt
     
    221 - Devon Kennard, OLB USC
     
  8. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    YOUR PICKS

    R1
     

    XAVIER SU’A-FILO
    UCLA



    R2
     

    TE AUSTIN SEFERIAN-JENKINS
    WASHINGTON



    R3
     

    CB STANLEY JEAN- BAPTISTE
    NEBRASKA
     
    So many hyphens ...
     
  9. mascho

    mascho Kane is Able SoSH Member

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    #TeamHyphen
     
    Surprised you were able to pull that one off.  In the one I did earlier XSF came off the board at 19, and SJB came off the board at 50.  Both to the Dolphins.  
     
  10. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    The supplemental picks (including the Pats' extra fourth) is now in the fanspeak On the Clock game.
     
  11. Eck'sSneakyCheese

    Eck'sSneakyCheese Member SoSH Member

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    This would be ridiculous:
     

     
    29 DE KONY EALY
    MISSOURI



     
    62 DAVID YANKEY
    STANFORD



     

    93 CB PHILLIP GAINES
    RICE



     

    130 QB A.J. MCCARRON
    ALABAMA



     

    140 TYLER LARSEN
    UTAH STATE



     

    198 DT JAY BROMLEY
    SYRACUSE



     

    206 TE COLT LYERLA
    OREGON



     

    244 RB LORENZO TALIAFERRO
    COASTAL CAROLINA


     

     
     
  12. bakahump

    bakahump Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Seemed like slimmer pickings this week
     
     

    29

    DT RA’SHEDE HAGEMAN - BEAST



    62

    C TRAVIS SWANSON - Starter from Day 1
    ARKANSAS



    93

    QB JIMMY GAROPPOLO - Brady Heir has arrived
    EASTERN ILLINOIS



    130

    WR BRANDON COLEMAN  -Rutgers and a redzone target
    RUTGERS



    140

    DT CARAUN REID
    PRINCETON



    198

    DT JAY BROMLEY
    SYRACUSE



    206

    G BRANDON LINDER - I like this guy
    MIAMI



    244

    TE COLT LYERLA - I went back and forth on him and Marcel Jensen here.  Luckily Jensen went undrafted and was signed as a UDFA :)
    OREGON
     
  13. Tito's Pullover

    Tito's Pullover Lol boo ALS Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    29
    DE KONY EALY
    MISSOURI
    (Hageman was also on the board, he went 48 to Baltimore.  Assuming Wilfork comes back I opted for Ealy.  XSF went 26 to Cleveland.)

    62
    TE AUSTIN SEFERIAN-JENKINS
    WASHINGTON
    (Yankey 59 to Indy, Bitonio 64 to Seattle)

    93
    C WESTON RICHBURG
    COLORADO STATE
    (Swanson 85 to Green Bay)

    130
    DE GEORGE UKO
    USC
    (CJF 113 to NYG)

    140
    DT CARAUN REID
    PRINCETON

    198
    TE XAVIER GRIMBLE
    USC

    206
    S SEAN PARKER
    WASHINGTON

    244
    OT JUSTIN BRITT
    MISSOURI
     
  14. SMU_Sox

    SMU_Sox loves his fluffykins SoSH Member

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    Baka, $50 to the Jimmy Fund Garo never makes a pro bowl as a QB. I'm with Waldman et al on him. He's not a starting QB. He's got the Blain Gabbert pocket syndrome.
     
  15. bakahump

    bakahump Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Sorry SMU.....I cant make that bet.  JF is a worthy cause no doubt .....but my "Brady heir" comment was mostly tongue in cheek.
     
  16. Eck'sSneakyCheese

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    The boards have shuffled a lot in the last week. How would this draft be?
     
    29 - Hageman DE/DT
     
    62 - Tuitt DE/DT - This has happened the past 3-4 times I've done a mock. Would the Pats draft both if they were available?
     
    93 - Richburg C
     
    130 - CJF TE
     
    140 - McCarron QB
     
    198 - Fortt LB
     
    206 - Groy OL
     
    244 - Taliaferro RB
     
    No WR and no secondary. I don't think I'd be too upset if the draft fell this way. There's a lot of depth in this draft and I think it would be beneficial to trade back and get more picks. Not having a 5th round pick leaves a big gap and some decent names have been going in that span.
     

     
     
  17. SeoulSoxFan

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    I'm avoiding Hageman like the plague, thus my 4 round mock-draft:
     

    R1  
    DT DOMINIQUE EASLEY
    FLORIDA
     
    R2  
    DE SCOTT CRICHTON
    OREGON STATE
     
    R3  
    RB JEREMY HILL
    LSU
     
    R4  
    TE ARTHUR LYNCH
    GEORGIA

     
    No OL, but am continuing the tradition of doubling down on a position in a single draft. Unfortunately, CJF was taken by the Bills at #73. Arthur Lynch would be fine as a backup in round 4.
     
  18. Eck'sSneakyCheese

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    Which Big Board are you using? There have been a ton of different outcomes depending on which one I use. The Ourlads one is completely different from the Fanspeak one.
     
  19. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    I've been playing with the Fanspeak one for now (which is a bit nutty as one of the drafts had Derek Carr as the #1 pick. However, I think I'd be ecstatic if the actual draft played out this way:
     
    • #29 CB DARQUEZE DENNARD 
    • #62 DE STEPHON TUITT 
    • #93 DT WILL SUTTON
    • #130 RB LACHE SEASTRUNK
    • #140 TE ARTHUR LYNCH
    • #198 C GABE IKARD
    • #206 ILB DEDE LATTIMORE
    • #244 S ISAIAH LEWIS
    Dennard would be insurance vs. Revis as well as Ryan moving to safety. Tuitt would be a nice value at the end of round 2 even if I'd prefer a few others. Double-up on Will Sutton, and pick up a super Woodhead replacement in my binky Seastrunk. 
     
    Plus, getting Lynch at #140 would be fantastic, as well as developmental but talented depth guys like Ikard, lattimore, etc. 
     
  20. Super Nomario

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    Love the Tuitt / Sutton combo - it's an intelligent double-dip where they're different enough that they can both have a role if they both pan out, but picking two provides some insurance. I'm OK with the Dennard first-rounder - he's good value there, and while CB is sewn up for 2014 it's more of a question mark for 2015 (as opposed to LB, for instance, where it's locked down for several seasons). FYI, Seastrunk's an interesting prospect with his speed / agility combo, but he had zero catches last year for Baylor - I'm not sold on him as a Woodhead / Vereen type.
     
  21. DanoooME

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    I did a Seahawks draft.  It was interesting.  Only 6 picks (1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 6), but I think I'd be pretty happy with this.  Realistically they will likely be moving back.  One rumored deal was #32 to Minnesota for #40 and the #96 they dealt for Harvin.
     

    32
     

    XAVIER SU’A-FILO
    UCLA



    64
     

    DE STEPHON TUITT
    NOTRE DAME



    132
     

    WR KEVIN NORWOOD
    ALABAMA



    146
     

    CB WALT AIKENS
    LIBERTY



    172
     

    BROCK VEREEN
    MINNESOTA



    208
     

    OT CHARLES LENO
    BOISE STATE
     
  22. Eck'sSneakyCheese

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    Do you think Tuitt and Hageman would offer the same versatility if the draft breaks that way? I know they're similar but I see Tuitt as more of a DE and Hageman as more of an inside presence, even though I would like to see both of them moved around in a similar fashion. I can picture a D line with Wilfork/Kelly/Siliga inside with Chandler and Hageman/Tuitt outside with the ability to move most of them to either DT or DE. I like SSF's picks too because I think Tuitt and Sutton would offer the same positional flexibility. I agree that either way they should double dip early on the D line.
     
  23. Super Nomario

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    Tuitt and Hageman have similar bodies and project the same way to me - as 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT. But I guess you could use them both, either together or separately. What I don't like about double-dipping with them is that you have to use a first and second to do so. Thirds and later are 35% propositions at best, so while you almost guarantee you're getting DL help, it's hard to address anything else in a definite way. I'd rather use a first on something else and then double-dip at DL with some combination of the second / third / fourth, or use a first on DL and then use subsequent picks elsewhere.
     
  24. DanoooME

    DanoooME Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Just ran a draft on Fanspeak that got me Odell Beckham at #32.  Bridgewater went #1, Bitonio went #3, Clowney went #6, Pats took Jernigan with Hageman on the board (and going the next pick), Bortlers went #39, Eric Ebron went #49.  That one was just insane.
     
  25. Eck'sSneakyCheese

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    This makes sense. It would be better to spread them apart and not go 1-2. There are other needs that need to be addressed.
     
  26. Super Nomario

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    It's eerie how these line up with the kinds of players the Pats might be interested in this year. Seattle and New England close to each other is going to be really interesting, because both teams address needs in advance, hide their intentions well, and don't really give a shit whether the Kipers of the world rate a guy in the third round or not. That means if the Pats love someone like Joel Bitonio in the first, they can't afford to trade back to 35 because Seattle might nab him at 32. It also means the Seahawks might have to leapfrog the Pats to make sure they get Tuitt in the second or Norwood in the third.
     

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