Dougie Hamilton traded to Calgary - signed for 6 x $5.75

[j44thor]

What'd he say? I haven't seen anything but obviously I might have missed something.

Perhaps bash was too strong a word but he did come right out and say this:
 

“As a coach, to be honest with you, I find it very unfortunate that players that have played maybe three years in the league, all of a sudden they’re looking to be up there with the top-paid players,” said Julien Friday night.
“I prefer it the other way, where they work their way up: years of service and everything else.”
 

http://www.letsgobruins.net/2015/06/27/claude-julien-throws-some-major-shade-dougie-hamil/
 
Just doesn't seem like something Claude should have been commenting on at all.  

 

[Red Right Ankle]

Yeah, those damned kids should definitely give up their leverage to "earn their stripes" in a sport where guys go 30 miles an hour with knives on their feet, a club in their hands, and 6 oz black bullet they are capable of firing at 90 mph.
 
Death and dismemberment are possible outcomes, Claude.

 

[jsinger121]

Perhaps bash was too strong a word but he did come right out and say this:
 
http://www.letsgobruins.net/2015/06/27/claude-julien-throws-some-major-shade-dougie-hamil/
 
Just doesn't seem like something Claude should have been commenting on at all.  

 
No but he is totally right. I honestly think that entry level deals should be similar to NFL deals 4 years with a 5th year option. 

 

[MiracleOfO2704]

Yeah, those damned kids should definitely give up their leverage to "earn their stripes" in a sport where guys go 30 miles an hour with knives on their feet, a club in their hands, and 6 oz black bullet they are capable of firing at 90 mph.
 
Death and dismemberment are possible outcomes, Claude.

 
What are you talking about? Nothing bad ever happens when you deal with--
 

Spoiler

 
Oh.
 
Don't click on that if you're not okay with blood.

 

[Red Right Ankle]

 
No but he is totally right. I honestly think that entry level deals should be similar to NFL deals 4 years with a 5th year option. 

My snarky post before yours set aside, why?  Is it just that it allows the team to keep their young guys longer before having to pay or do you agree with Claude's reasoning about "paying dues?"

 

[J.McG]

Jerry Thornton (so take this FWIW) is reporting on WEEI that Dougie & Claude did not get along, and a source close to the team told him that Claude called-out and embarrassed Dougie in front of his teammates on at least one occasion, yelling something to the effect of: 
 
"Who the fuck do you think you are? No wonder no one on the team wants to be friends with you!" (paraphrasing)

Unless this was a regular occurrence in which Dougie felt he was being being unfairly or personally attacked by Claude, I find it hard to believe that this incident in a vacuum led to Dougie wanting out of Boston (if Thornton's source is to be believed--I'm not sure why Claude would care whether Dougie is friends w/ his teammates off the ice). I imagine all players, particularly promising younger ones, are regularly cursed out by their coaches across the NHL. Some learn to get over it, some apparently don't.

 

[Red Right Ankle]

 
What are you talking about? Nothing bad ever happens when you deal with--
 
 
Oh.
 
Don't click on that if you're not okay with blood.

 
It's especially rich coming from a guy who now coaches Zac Rinaldo who's basically the Master of the Dark Arts.

 

[BoSoxFink]

I know this is all rumors and speculation, and I'm still an idiot, but am I still crazy for thinking Claude may be the problem with these kids after we are reading this stuff?

 

[j44thor]

 
No but he is totally right. I honestly think that entry level deals should be similar to NFL deals 4 years with a 5th year option. 

 
The NFL doesn't have RFA so in essence NHL teams have the rights for considerably longer.
Plus the NHL has the AHL/Juniors where players make relative peanuts if they are not in the NHL.  It isn't like most NHL draftees are getting paid 3yrs after they are picked.
 
I think players should get paid what they are worth regardless of tenure, it would be better if there was no RFA so teams didn't waste their cap $$ on useless UFAs.  UFA contracts are so much worse than RFA contracts by and large.  If EDM wants to sign Conor McDavid to 10yrs 100 Mill why not let them so long as they stay within the cap constraints?

 

[Laser Show]

I know this is all rumors and speculation, and I'm still an idiot, but am I still crazy for thinking Claude may be the problem with these kids after we are reading this stuff?

No you're not. Assume that all of this is true for a second. (Which I'm still a bit skeptical about. But with the Calgary contract, his "no comment" on asking for a trade, and seemingly some more substantiated whispers, it seems like maybe there's something to it besides the usual character assassination for a departing player.) At a certain point,  as a coach, don't you have to figure out how to get the guys with these kinds of problems to buy in? Maybe Dougie was arrogant and a loner. Isn't that YOUR JOB as a coach, to knock him down a peg but keep him comfortable enough to stay and buy in?
 
IF there were locker room issues, Dougie is hardly the first talented player to cause them. But lots and lots of teams make it work every season. And there are increasing signs that the staff here aren't good at handling them.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

 
The NFL doesn't have RFA so in essence NHL teams have the rights for considerably longer.
Plus the NHL has the AHL/Juniors where players make relative peanuts if they are not in the NHL.  It isn't like most NHL draftees are getting paid 3yrs after they are picked.
 
I think players should get paid what they are worth regardless of tenure, it would be better if there was no RFA so teams didn't waste their cap $$ on useless UFAs.  UFA contracts are so much worse than RFA contracts by and large.  If EDM wants to sign Conor McDavid to 10yrs 100 Mill why not let them so long as they stay within the cap constraints?

Yeah, actually they do.

 

[Myt1]

Yeah. If the past nine years are any indication, they do a terrible job of it.

The name of this subforum should be "Confirmation bias."

 

[Laser Show]

Yeah. If the past nine years are any indication, they do a terrible job of it.

The name of this subforum should be "Confirmation bias."

Let me rephrase this:
 
Again, assuming this is true, they have now been forced to trade Kessel and Hamilton since they didn't want to be here, and decided to trade Seguin because he was "immature."
 
There are numerous success stories that have been mentioned here, chiefly the core of Lucic, Bergeron, Krejci, Rask, and more. But losing 3 top end players because of "fit" issues in the clubhouse, community, whatever, over the past 6 years isn't exactly encouraging. Just because this doesn't happen with 95% of players doesn't mean that the Bruins is without flaws.
 
I would be interested to see how often this happens across the league, teams moving on from elite level players due to "fit" issues. It doesn't feel like this should happen this much. Of course, Occam's Razor tells us "Boston media" (whether the smear campaigns or making players uncomfortable).

 

[Myt1]

No one said that they are without flaws. But you're looking at one counting stat side of the equation to conclude that the Bruins aren't good at dealing with locker room issues having no idea what the rate is.

Maybe they're awesome at it. Off the top of my head, I can think of stories about the Caps, Flyers, Kings, Rangers, and Canucks that seemed to be far bigger deals.

 

[Laser Show]

No one said that they are without flaws. But you're looking at one counting stat side of the equation to conclude that the Bruins aren't good at dealing with locker room issues having no idea what the rate is.

Maybe they're awesome at it. Off the top of my head, I can think of stories about the Caps, Flyers, Kings, Rangers, and Canucks that seemed to be far bigger deals.

Yea, I get that. They could be (like Marchand and his past antics). I just really hope they're evaluating why Kessel, Seguin, and Hamilton didn't fit here and looking to see if it's something systemic, because that's an awful lot of young talent to trade away in a relatively short time.
 
At the very least they need to get better at trading really fucking valuable assets not named Kessel.

 

[RIFan]

Well Kessel hasn't exactly gotten raves in Toronto as being coachable and they haven't won shit, so maybe it is the player and not the coach. Ultimately, it's about building a team and getting the players to be better than the sum of their parts.

 

[Fred not Lynn]

For what it's worth, Bob Hartley is riding a tremendous wave of goodwill - taking a team that was expected to be in the running for Connor McDavid's services into the 2nd round of the playoffs, and capping that off with the Jack Adams award. Coupled with the fact that much of the Calgary locker room is also young guys in their 2nd and 3rd years, it's probably a much more positive environment for Dougie...

 

[kenneycb]

Doesn't Hartley have the reputation of being an asshole?

 

[Fred not Lynn]

Not in Calgary the last few years...

 

[Seels]

 
The NFL doesn't have RFA so in essence NHL teams have the rights for considerably longer.
Plus the NHL has the AHL/Juniors where players make relative peanuts if they are not in the NHL.  It isn't like most NHL draftees are getting paid 3yrs after they are picked.
 
I think players should get paid what they are worth regardless of tenure, it would be better if there was no RFA so teams didn't waste their cap $$ on useless UFAs.  UFA contracts are so much worse than RFA contracts by and large.  If EDM wants to sign Conor McDavid to 10yrs 100 Mill why not let them so long as they stay within the cap constraints?

If that were the case there would be no incentive towards drafting well.

 

[Soxfan in Fla]

If Clode doesn't play nice with the youngins' isn't it time to move on. This team is undoubtedly getting younger.

 

[twibnotes]

If Clode doesn't play nice with the youngins' isn't it time to move on. This team is undoubtedly getting younger.

Assuming Clode only has issues with the talented youngins', it shouldn't be a big problem going fwd.

 

[Toe Nash]

It's not a stretch to think Dougie didn't like Claude. He benched him for Andrej Meszaros 16 months ago (http://bigbadblog.weei.com/sports/boston/hockey/bruins/2014/03/12/dougie-hamilton-a-healthy-scratch-vs-canadiens-as-andrej-meszaros-stays-in-bruins-lineup/). You don't think Dougie wanted to play against Montreal? He got better in 16 months, but not THAT much better.
 
I think the issues with talent (talent meaning offense) run deeper than just the Bruins. It's OK and you get praise if you're a "stay-at-home" Dman who never gets the puck up the ice, but if you're an offense-oriented player you get overly criticized for every defensive mistake. God help you if you shy away from contact a bit. We think of Don Cherry as a dinosaur but his thinking is far more prevalent in the NHL than we think.
 
A smart team would take advantage of these inefficiencies.

 

[amfox1]

Amalie Benjamin ‏@AmalieBenjamin  12m12 minutes ago
This says he wanted out. It fits with Hamilton's desire not to talk about "the past" yesterday.
 
 




Fluto Shinzawa @GlobeFluto
Bruins made 3 offers to Dougie Hamilton. No counteroffers. Neely: "We wanted Dougie."






 

 

[Granite Sox]

I think the issues with talent (talent meaning offense) run deeper than just the Bruins. It's OK and you get praise if you're a "stay-at-home" Dman who never gets the puck up the ice, but if you're an offense-oriented player you get overly criticized for every defensive mistake. God help you if you shy away from contact a bit. We think of Don Cherry as a dinosaur but his thinking is far more prevalent in the NHL than we think.
 

 
I think this is a selective perspective.  Clode loves Torey Krug, despite his inability to defend in his own zone.  Krug is a very poor defensive defenseman, yet it's all show ponies and unicorns from team management about him.

 

[PedroSpecialK]

It's worth mentioning that Krug also happens to have those intangibles the FO loves so much.

 

[Toe Nash]

 
I think this is a selective perspective.  Clode loves Torey Krug, despite his inability to defend in his own zone.  Krug is a very poor defensive defenseman, yet it's all show ponies and unicorns from team management about him.

True, but Claude rarely deploys Krug in his own zone. He also was never expected to be a tough Dman because he's little.

 

[soxhop411]

Chris McKinnon ‏@chrisWBZ  3m3 minutes ago
Report: Dougie Hamilton Refused To Sign With Bruins After Team Refused To Trade For Brother « CBS Boston http://cbsloc.al/1LVuxEG
 
 

 
 
BOSTON (CBS) — When new Bruins GM Don Sweeney traded talented young defenseman Dougie Hamilton to Calgary back in June, the reponse in Boston was not one of complete shock but one of befuddlement.
Hamilton reportedly turned down multiple contract offers from the Bruins that would pay him roughly the same or more money than he’s making in Calgary. So what, exactly, was the problem?
While we might never get the full story, a report this week certainly sheds some light on a curious situation.
Toronto Star columnist Damien Cox said on Sportsnet this week that Dougie Hamilton wanted the Bruins to trade for his older brother, Freddie. The team’s refusal to sign Freddie was among the many issues that irked Dougie enough to make him want to leave the Bruins organization at all costs.
“The speculation is that among the issues Hamilton had with the Bruins was the fact he wanted them to acquire the rights to his brother, Freddie, and Boston either couldn’t or wouldn’t,” Cox wrote.

The rumor is likely surfacing now because the Calgary Flames, Dougie Hamilton’s current team, acquired Freddie Hamilton at the beginning of the month.

 

[PedroSpecialK]

Man, Damien Cox is a shitlord of the highest order. I don't believe for a minute that the B's not trading for Freddie caused him to force a trade.

 

[soxhop411]

Man, Damien Cox is a shitlord of the highest order. I don't believe for a minute that the B's not trading for Freddie caused him to force a trade.

forgot a quote
 

 
The rumor is likely surfacing now because the Calgary Flames, Dougie Hamilton’s current team, acquired Freddie Hamilton at the beginning of the month.
In 29 career NHL games with San Jose and Colorado, the elder Hamilton has just one goal. So it’s highly unlikely he’s a player the Flames really coveted.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Time to move on, he's dead to me.

 

[PedroSpecialK]

I mean, I can see why someone would float the theory, but if a player makes trading for his fungible brother part of an ultimatum... not really sure you want that player

 

[Eddie Jurak]

On the topic of Dougie, he and his Flames are off to a terrible start. Dougie has 1 point in 11 games. What gives?

 

[cshea]

Don't know about Dougie in particular, but the Flames are an awful possession team that got insanely lucky. Their shooting percentage was 10.53% in all situations last year. 6.65% this year. Add in bad goaltending and bad possession and it's not good. I'll have to look it up, but they scored something like 10 goals with the goalie pulled a year ago. Pulled rabbits out of their asses nightly. Made for a great ride, but not really sustainable.

 

[RedOctober3829]

I watched them against the Rangers recently.  The Rangers undressed them and made them look awful.  Hamilton had an easy puck to stop glance off his shin into his own net.  Safe to say they aren't very good so far.

 

[Fred not Lynn]

...but the Flames are an awful possession team that got insanely lucky.

Yeah, in McDavid's draft year I wouldn't call it lucky. Edmonton got insanely lucky...